TV: HBO's The Night Of

[Burner Account]

That's based on what reviewers, who I don't believe were shown more than a few episodes said. I don't think they had the complete picture.

I believe I read that they were shown 7 of 8 episodes. I don't remember if that was on here or on Reddit.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

I floated that some time back, with the motive being money/the house.

However, I also suggested that the guy the stepfather was speaking to at the funeral could also be a suspect.

He looked like the CPA that Stone was speaking to. Does anyone remember if the CPA was the same guy at the funeral as well?

It looks like right now the stepfather is a good(leading, for me) candidate to have killed Andrea. And I was always wondering how she could have lived in such an expensive house. Glad that's answered now.

I think the hearse driver is just an oddball, and meant to throw us off. I also got the feeling that the CPA was hiding something as well, while watching his scene. It's just a gut feeling though. Nothing concrete to point to him yet.

There's more and more circumstantial tie-ins to the stepfather, that points me to him as the killer, but I'm curious as to whether or not the show is propping him up to distract away from the CPA/funeral guy.

Also, I think it's obvious that Nas pushed the guy down the stairs in highschool, because he was being bullied, after 9/11. Makes sense why he transferred schools.

Good episode. Enjoyed that one.

The CPA was the guy arguing w/ step dad at the funeral. Stone had a pic of that and that's how he got the CPA to talk.

 

[void]

The first episode was fantastic but it's been kinda dragging since then. I mean, there's only two episodes left and I feel like we still have a ton to cover. No idea how they're going to fit everything in. Another thing that bothered me was how they handled Naz's transformation.. it seemed kinda abrupt, no?

I just hope that we have a proper conclusion and that the murderer doesn't end up being someone completely random that we never heard of.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Naz' transition was going to be difficult to handle given the constraints of the length of the show to begin with. They weren't going to have the luxury a show like Breaking Bad had to show the transition of the main character over time. That being said, they haven't done themselves any favors by not having some frame of reference on the time. I think most people are rightly assuming that Naz has been in for a few months but it would be really easy to throw something in to give the audience an idea. The only marker of time I can think of is the 10 days that the cat was at the shelter.

 

[Sharpshooter]

So, the guy the step-dad was arguing with asked him what he was doing there. He said "What do you mean what am I doing here, I'm effing family".

The step dad then said to the guy, "Send the papers and sign the checks." Then the step-dad threatened the guy if he ever called him again.

The CPA was the guy arguing w/ step dad at the funeral. Stone had a pic of that and that's how he got the CPA to talk.

Thanks for the confirmation. Ties things together a bit better.

So the CPA may actually have been looking out for Andrea's mom and Andrea from a gold-digger, like he was telling Stone. It's possible that he was close to Andrea's mom. Some professionals do get close to their clients.

It's clear the Stepfather wanted a payout right away, and that he may have targeted women of a certain age and income bracket.

I forgot, but were we told how Andrea's mom died? It's possible that 'stepfather' may have killed her too.

 

[KesselBuiltMyHotrod]

I forgot, but were we told how Andrea's mom died? It's possible that 'stepfather' may have killed her too.

Cancer.

 

[Sharpshooter]

Cancer.

Ok. He gets a pass on that one.

 

[chicagoskycam]

Yeah, he is such an idiot and not so much of a sympathetic figure anymore. Let's get "SIN" and "BAD" tattooed on the fingers before going to the trial of your entire life. And why not start smoking crack, nothing back can come of that right?

Think the theory of him being set up is on the money, and probably a Freddy connection to the step-dad as mentioned. It's really hard to feel bad for Naz anymore, he really doesn't seem to care one way or another if he's in jail for the rest of his life. Almost like he enjoys being someone on the inside, instead of a towel boy on the outside.

Nah. Andrea was not killed for drugs, it was pretty clear what the motive was. He step father obviously prays on wealthy older woman, most likely widows looking for sugarmama's. The dispute was with the inheritance if he had anything at all to do with it. I don't think he did

 

[chicagoskycam]

Right? That's my biggest criticism. There should be some indication of time, some frame of reference and unless I've missed it, there hasn't been.

For a murder case like this to be at trial already. Has to be at least six months, maybe a year. That's what it should be. Especially in a city like New York.

Show suffers a bit because all the focus on Stone's character with such a short season. I understand why since it was written for James but let's do away with all the cat scenes .... and who the hell cleans out their liter box on the kitchen counter.

 

[RayP]

For a murder case like this to be at trial already. Has to be at least six months, maybe a year. That's what it should be. Especially in a city like New York.

Show suffers a bit because all the focus on Stone's character with such a short season. I understand why since it was written for James but let's do away with all the cat scenes .... and who the hell cleans out their liter box on the kitchen counter.

That was so weird, not to mention just recklessly flinging cat **** all over his counter. Found that unintentionally hilarious.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

I know a lot of people have complained about the amount of time spent on Stones feet and the cat but I've found those amusing.

 

[Epictetus]

Naz' transition was going to be difficult to handle given the constraints of the length of the show to begin with. They weren't going to have the luxury a show like Breaking Bad had to show the transition of the main character over time. That being said, they haven't done themselves any favors by not having some frame of reference on the time. I think most people are rightly assuming that Naz has been in for a few months but it would be really easy to throw something in to give the audience an idea. The only marker of time I can think of is the 10 days that the cat was at the shelter.

A female security officer testified that Naz was passing through the Tunnel on October 24th, 2014 at 9:17pm and there was a time stamp provided during the trial (you as the viewer can also see the time stamp confirming the date and time). This was the first person to testify, if you wanted to check it out or were planning to re-watch.

I haven't seen anything indicating present day, perhaps I just wasn't paying enough attention, but if that's provided\will be provided, then there's the rough timeline. The murder and sequences of events all took place that night, and we are now at trial -- however far into the future.

 

[chicagoskycam]

I can get the transformation over a period of six months to a year. Especially since we know Nas is not as innocent as we thought he was.

He was bullied due to his ethnicity after 911, I get it. It seems he has quite the temper though. Maybe Andrea did something that set him off. Why the hell are you going to make yourself appear like a criminal at your own trial.

I want to see if the chain of custody issue comes up, as well as any forensic experts for the defense - do they even have the money for it?

 

[KesselBuiltMyHotrod]

For a murder case like this to be at trial already. Has to be at least six months, maybe a year. That's what it should be. Especially in a city like New York.

They DA was told by her boss to expedite things due to some other high profile case coming up or something.

 

[Ensane]

Point of reference: The trial of James Holmes, the Aurora Theater shooter, saw over 2 years between arraignment and the seating of the jury. Not a complete analog since the Holmes trial had the largest jury pool in US history, but just an example of how long the process can take in real life for high profile murder cases.

 

[What the Faulk]

Either way, this is the same problem I have with Game of Thrones. If you don't want to time changes to seem abrupt, convey the passage better to your audience. B roll of seasons changing (cliche, but you get it). Boom, done. Not everyone is going to know how long it takes for an average case to get to trial, and it didn't seem evenly spaced out anyway.

I also don't like how they just completely forgot about the Duane footchase in the previous episode. It's as if it never happened. That seems pretty sloppy.

It's still a fine show, but you can start to see some of the exposed threads of the limited series when you stop to think about it.

 

[ap3x]

I also don't like how they just completely forgot about the Duane footchase in the previous episode. It's as if it never happened. That seems pretty sloppy.

Yeah, didn't like that either. Why starting to show that chase in the first place...

 

[Ensane]

Either way, this is the same problem I have with Game of Thrones. If you don't want to time changes to seem abrupt, convey the passage better to your audience. B roll of seasons changing (cliche, but you get it). Boom, done. Not everyone is going to know how long it takes for an average case to get to trial, and it didn't seem evenly spaced out anyway.

Agreed. They could also put some signposts in, such as references to holidays or seasonal changes. Mad Men was amazing at doing that.

 

[Philly85*]

I enjoy the show very much but I'm a little confused with the general direction the show Is headed, it's somewhat disappointing with these past 2 episodes... how they can completely ignore what happened at the end of the last episode is stupid and the fact it takes them 7 episodes to bring up Andrea's a 22 year old girl living in a place like that, with the potential angry step-dad angle, a bit ridiculous IMO.

and I feel like Nas is a goner. I'm talking like, he's dead.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Either way, this is the same problem I have with Game of Thrones. If you don't want to time changes to seem abrupt, convey the passage better to your audience. B roll of seasons changing (cliche, but you get it). Boom, done. Not everyone is going to know how long it takes for an average case to get to trial, and it didn't seem evenly spaced out anyway.

I also don't like how they just completely forgot about the Duane footchase in the previous episode. It's as if it never happened. That seems pretty sloppy.

It's still a fine show, but you can start to see some of the exposed threads of the limited series when you stop to think about it.

I doubt they are going to ignore it.

 

[Dick Sledge]

These last 2 episodes have to be great to save it for me.

Went from a potentially great interesting show to a disappointment really quick. I couldn't care less about the outcome right now and that sucks as it takes my investment out of it.

I just can't wait til it's over.

 

[Sharpshooter]

I can get the transformation over a period of six months to a year. Especially since we know Nas is not as innocent as we thought he was.

He was bullied due to his ethnicity after 911, I get it. It seems he has quite the temper though. Maybe Andrea did something that set him off. Why the hell are you going to make yourself appear like a criminal at your own trial.

I want to see if the chain of custody issue comes up, as well as any forensic experts for the defense - do they even have the money for it?

1) He's innocent of the crime. Why does he have to be a saint at Rikers Island in order to get through the ordeal of being at RI?

2) You'd have a temper too if you had to deal with trying to prove your innocence, while being bullied your entire adolescent life because of the colour of your skin, and for white people crapping on you for something you didn't do. You'd also be pretty angry if you lived in a conservative household that didn't allow the freedom that you sought. How can you not empathise with that? It's what many Indians, Pakistanis, and muslims(of many nationalities) go through. It's the juxtaposition of being a conservative and living in a liberal country. It's hard to reconcile the two. Reconciling it leads to frustration and anger. Both inwards and outwards.

3) Chain of custody is going to play an important part of the trial, I agree. People in the 'justice' system is so quick to judge and act, which allows for innocent people to get incarcerated and guilty people to go free or get light sentences. It's a complete sham.

4) Nas is being railroaded. He isn't helping his legal cause, but he's trying to survive in a place where justice is slow and doesn't wait for your innocence to be proven.

And, Andrea didn't do anything to set him off. She was his one escape/outlet away from his crap life. He really liked her. He wouldn't have harmed her. She was his 'best self', or at least his 'escape'.

They DA was told by her boss to expedite things due to some other high profile case coming up or something.

You're right, the DA wanted this case done quickly. DA didn't want media attention, etc. They moved the case up the court docket as quickly and quietly as they could. And this was the high profile case. The DA just didn't want it to become so high profile by letting it linger in the system.

Point of reference: The trial of James Holmes, the Aurora Theater shooter, saw over 2 years between arraignment and the seating of the jury. Not a complete analog since the Holmes trial had the largest jury pool in US history, but just an example of how long the process can take in real life for high profile murder cases.

You're referencing a factual case vs a fictional one. The DA always has the ability to move cases up.

Your example has no bearing on this dramatisation of the legal process.

Either way, this is the same problem I have with Game of Thrones. If you don't want to time changes to seem abrupt, convey the passage better to your audience. B roll of seasons changing (cliche, but you get it). Boom, done. Not everyone is going to know how long it takes for an average case to get to trial, and it didn't seem evenly spaced out anyway.

I also don't like how they just completely forgot about the Duane footchase in the previous episode. It's as if it never happened. That seems pretty sloppy.

It's still a fine show, but you can start to see some of the exposed threads of the limited series when you stop to think about it.

It's a limited series run. What did you expect?

And, you don't know if the whole situation with Duane is over. Like GoT, things get brought up later that were addressed earlier. You just don't have any patience before you critique.

I enjoy the show very much but I'm a little confused with the general direction the show Is headed, it's somewhat disappointing with these past 2 episodes... how they can completely ignore what happened at the end of the last episode is stupid and the fact it takes them 7 episodes to bring up Andrea's a 22 year old girl living in a place like that, with the potential angry step-dad angle, a bit ridiculous IMO.

and I feel like Nas is a goner. I'm talking like, he's dead.

They may not have ignored it at all. Why can't you have a little patience to see how it gets tied together? What a ridiculous criticism.

And, bringing up Andrea's living situation is now warranted. Prior to that, the show was dealing with who died, how she died, who the main suspect was, and their journey through the criminal justice system, the mechanism of defense vs prosection. It was only now that tertiary information of who Andrea was, who she knew, why she lived where she lived, who she was related to, etc, is relevant after. This is not an episode of CSI.

These last 2 episodes have to be great to save it for me.

Went from a potentially great interesting show to a disappointment really quick. I couldn't care less about the outcome right now and that sucks as it takes my investment out of it.

I just can't wait til it's over.

Why?

 

[KesselBuiltMyHotrod]

I wish they had showed some of the jury selection instead of 5 scenes about Stone's feet.

 

[chicagoskycam]

1) He's innocent of the crime. Why does he have to be a saint at Rikers Island in order to get through the ordeal of being at RI?



3) Chain of custody is going to play an important part of the trial, I agree. People in the 'justice' system is so quick to judge and act, which allows for innocent people to get incarcerated and guilty people to go free or get light sentences. It's a complete sham.

4) Nas is being railroaded. He isn't helping his legal cause, but he's trying to survive in a place where justice is slow and doesn't wait for your innocence to be proven.

And, Andrea didn't do anything to set him off. She was his one escape/outlet away from his crap life. He really liked her. He wouldn't have harmed her. She was his 'best self', or at least his 'escape'.

1st of all he's presumed innocent and the only person charged in the crime. There is a mountain of evidence against him. He doesn't have to be a Saint but I guess I would say I was more interested in Nas surviving at Rikers as he was 1st portayed. Now he's a different character and it's less interesting to me.

Making yourself look like a criminal prior to your trial is stupid and I'm sure Freddy knows this - he gives him all these pointers on what to wear but doesn't say anything about shaving his head or tatt's exposed on you hands.

We don't know what happened that night and this show gives us the illusion that Nas had a blackout. She could of set him off and there are multiple things that could have happened. Andrea was clearly messed up so who knows. Otherwise we have to believe the step Dad had the timing of the century or the guy Stone chased. As the evidence sits now Nas is the most likely suspect.

I think the show is going to give you some options but never tell you what really happened.

 

[Dick Sledge]

To Sharpshooter -

Because it's been a rushed plot hole filled disappointment to me. I understand you're a HBO homer. I love HBO to. But this is disappointing to me.

It's made me not care about how it ends. I'm not invested. Making me dislike the protagonist didn't help. This shouldn't have been an 8 episode rushed anthology type. I would have liked these things fleshed out instead of rushed to fit in 8 hours.