TV: HBO's The Night Of

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

He said, "Good night."

 

[ap3x]

Iirc correctly, it was:

"I hope I don't scare you if I say..."
pauses
"... Good night"


Good episode. Guess it's pretty clear that we're headed into the aforementioned direction.
Not really understanding Freddy though. On the one hand he tries to help Naz out - in terms of making a good impression on the jury (clothes in the first place) and rewarding him with that cell phone. But on the other hand he drives the change of his outward appearance (hair, tattoos) and behavior (taking drugs) forward, trying to make him a "proper inmate".

What that hearse driver concerns: That was a really intriguing scene. Loved his screen presence.

Guess John having found a (probable) cure for his feet is the only happy end we get.

 

[silverfish]

My theory stands. Freddy obviously still has connections to drugs outside of Rikers. I'd imagine either the step dad or Andrea (or both) were involved in some sort of drug trade. Maybe the step dad owed someone money, has someone take out Andrea for the inheritance.

Freddy, meanwhile, turns Nas into a criminal behind bars so he ends up taking the fall for it anyway.

It's not a completely buttoned up theory, but I think it's something along those lines.

 

[Oscar Acosta]

Naz is such a loser now. All Tatted up and smoking crack.

He will probably be found innocent but he ends up killing someone in the jail and will stay because of that..

Yeah, he is such an idiot and not so much of a sympathetic figure anymore. Let's get "SIN" and "BAD" tattooed on the fingers before going to the trial of your entire life. And why not start smoking crack, nothing back can come of that right?

Think the theory of him being set up is on the money, and probably a Freddy connection to the step-dad as mentioned. It's really hard to feel bad for Naz anymore, he really doesn't seem to care one way or another if he's in jail for the rest of his life. Almost like he enjoys being someone on the inside, instead of a towel boy on the outside.

 

[Peasy]

Earlier, Freddy also told Nas to take the deal.

 

[RayP]

Still enjoying the show, minus the female prosecutor. Holy hell her character is boring.

But I really had higher hopes for the show as a whole from the beginning, and the last episodes have been rather flat for me.... And seem to be more of what I expect going forward, rather than the higher standard it set for me earlier on.

I'm also not really buying into this whole new Nas and his transition in prison. Maybe if it was a longer concept for a show, and drawn out longer.... but not as quickly as they're making it happen. Don't buy it at all.

 

[ghostnights]

I totally buy Naz and his transition . His past is starting to rear its ugly head and he is clearly not the perfect scholar that we had once envisioned .

 

[McOilers97]

Still enjoying the show, minus the female prosecutor. Holy hell her character is boring.

But I really had higher hopes for the show as a whole from the beginning, and the last episodes have been rather flat for me.... And seem to be more of what I expect going forward, rather than the higher standard it set for me earlier on.

I'm also not really buying into this whole new Nas and his transition in prison. Maybe if it was a longer concept for a show, and drawn out longer.... but not as quickly as they're making it happen. Don't buy it at all.

Just because the transition in Nas' character is happening quickly in the show, doesn't mean that it's happening quickly in real life. It would appear to me that a lot of time has passed, and they don't have enough hours to draw it out over 4-5 episodes. They're assuming that the viewer can connect the dots enough to figure out that Nas has undergone a change over a matter of months, not a matter of days.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

As for Nas's transition, I wish there was a better since of time. How long has he been in there? Have they alluded to that? I feel like that would better help understand the transformation. Has it been 2 weeks? 6 months? I really have no idea. It seems like everything has happened very abruptly since we've only been watching for 6 weeks, but I have no sense of how long it's been on the show.

 

[RayP]

Just because the transition in Nas' character is happening quickly in the show, doesn't mean that it's happening quickly in real life. It would appear to me that a lot of time has passed, and they don't have enough hours to draw it out over 4-5 episodes. They're assuming that the viewer can connect the dots enough to figure out that Nas has undergone a change over a matter of months, not a matter of days.

Has that much time really passed? I haven't seen anything to suggest whether it has or has not.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Has that much time really passed? I haven't seen anything to suggest whether it has or has not.

Right? That's my biggest criticism. There should be some indication of time, some frame of reference and unless I've missed it, there hasn't been.

 

[ap3x]

It has been indicated already that the series seems to suffer from the limited time frame. That's why it feels pretty rushed for sure. Really liking it nonetheless, because it doesn't change anything about bringing a critical perspective on the justice system across.

As for Naz' new tattoos: Yeah, pretty dumb indeed...

 

[Ensane]

My guess is that for a high profile first degree murder case, from arraignment to opening statements is 4-6 months. In any case, I cut the show a bit of a break on how speedily we're viewing the transformation since they have only 8 hours to work with.

I've held back on theorizing too much at this point, but...
[spoil]
I think what will happen is with all these red herrings and potential suspects coming to the surface, John and Chandra will be able to drum up enough reasonable doubt that the jury will acquit Nas, only for us (and John & Chandra) to find out immediately prior or soon thereafter that he actually is the killer.
[/spoil]

 

[Burner Account]

"I'm gonna make a proper convict outta you yet."

That should say it all. Nas is not leaving prison.

 

[ap3x]

I've held back on theorizing too much at this point, but...
[spoil]
I think what will happen is with all these red herrings and potential suspects coming to the surface, John and Chandra will be able to drum up enough reasonable doubt that the jury will acquit Nas, only for us (and John & Chandra) to find out immediately prior or soon thereafter that he actually is the killer.
[/spoil]

If this is the case, the original outline of the show (critic of the doubtful justice system) is pretty much pointless, isn't it?

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

If this is the case, the original outline of the show (critic of the doubtful justice system) is pretty much pointless, isn't it?

1) is that the outline of the show or is that just the assumption that everyone watching has made based on the fact that we are lead to believe that he didn't do it?

2) I don't see why the theory suggested in the spoiler would conflict with the critique of the justice system. I don't see them as mutually exclusive.

 

[FLYLine27*]

If the trial just started, then a fair amount of time probably passed, a few months at least, maybe more. But they did say they were going to try and speed up the trial since it was causing such a media circus. So i'll go with a few months.

Disappointed they didn't even spend any time showing the jury selection which could have been pretty funny.

 

[ap3x]

1) is that the outline of the show or is that just the assumption that everyone watching has made based on the fact that we are lead to believe that he didn't do it?

It's what several sources state before the series began and what the first impression of the trailer confirms.

2) I don't see why the theory suggested in the spoiler would conflict with the critique of the justice system. I don't see them as mutually exclusive.

It doesn't necessarily conflict with it, but it would be far from having the same affect.
The assumption of Naz being innocent is what makes the show as intriguing as it is.

 

[Ensane]

If this is the case, the original outline of the show (critic of the doubtful justice system) is pretty much pointless, isn't it?

Perhaps, although I think we're still getting a pretty good critique of the system one way or another.

It doesn't necessarily conflict with it, but it would be far from having the same affect.
The assumption of Naz being innocent is what makes the show as intriguing as it is.

And that assumption remains until we find out the truth, based on how the story is being told.

 

[ap3x]

Fair enough. Not meaning to sound disrespectful or condescending. I appreciate contrary inputs. I just don't see that turn to happen.

 

[silverfish]

I'm using Nas's build as a reference for time. It's had to have been at least a few months. You don't get that much bigger on prison food and pushups overnight.

 

[Sharpshooter]

No talk of tonight's episode yet? Looks like the step-dad could be the killer, there's definitely motive there, but does the series end that simply?

I floated that some time back, with the motive being money/the house.

However, I also suggested that the guy the stepfather was speaking to at the funeral could also be a suspect.

He looked like the CPA that Stone was speaking to. Does anyone remember if the CPA was the same guy at the funeral as well?

It looks like right now the stepfather is a good(leading, for me) candidate to have killed Andrea. And I was always wondering how she could have lived in such an expensive house. Glad that's answered now.

I think the hearse driver is just an oddball, and meant to throw us off. I also got the feeling that the CPA was hiding something as well, while watching his scene. It's just a gut feeling though. Nothing concrete to point to him yet.

There's more and more circumstantial tie-ins to the stepfather, that points me to him as the killer, but I'm curious as to whether or not the show is propping him up to distract away from the CPA/funeral guy.

Also, I think it's obvious that Nas pushed the guy down the stairs in highschool, because he was being bullied, after 9/11. Makes sense why he transferred schools.

Good episode. Enjoyed that one.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

It's what several sources state before the series began and what the first impression of the trailer confirms.

That's based on what reviewers, who I don't believe were shown more than a few episodes, said. I don't think they had the complete picture.

 

[ap3x]

Oh, I hope they did. If it isn't meant as critical as assumed, I don't really know what to take from this series.

 

[Ensane]

Fair enough. Not meaning to sound disrespectful or condescending. I appreciate contrary inputs. I just don't see that turn to happen.

Totally fair. I think the true goal of the show is to create an immensely suspenseful journey for the viewer by enabling all these potential theories. My prediction is as good as the next guys'. I think there's probably at least 5 promising theories given all the leads we've been thrown.

That's based on what reviewers, who I don't believe were shown more than a few episodes said. I don't think they had the complete picture.

Critics were sent all episodes in advance except for the finale.