HBO Parts 1 & 2 Discussion - *SPOILERS* All 24/7 Talk Here
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RoyalGremlin
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I think the show would be better if they installed secret cameras in the room and embedded mics in the helmets without the players knowing.
Carlyle gave 0 direction when he pulled Ranger and Fraser aside
Maybe the assistants follow up but honestly what would you have taken away from that? To know what you need to be doing.
Also move your feet lol
As for the Reimer stuff, when he was making those comments about watching. Was a bit sucky and that's not good for the team. Especially when it's to a rookie
Maybe the assistants follow up but honestly what would you have taken away from that? To know what you need to be doing.
Also move your feet lol
As for the Reimer stuff, when he was making those comments about watching. Was a bit sucky and that's not good for the team. Especially when it's to a rookie
clearthetrackk
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The second episode was much better than the first.
Would much rather see/hear more mic'd up game action/chirping, than seeing Kadri have a staged phone call with his father
Would much rather see/hear more mic'd up game action/chirping, than seeing Kadri have a staged phone call with his father
ChuckWoods
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Ranger and Fraser are vets.
They've been taught the system, and as vets of the NHL, they shouldn't have to be told what they need to do to stick. These guys don't need to be coddled.
If they arn't understanding the system or just arn't grasping it then they SHOULD be placed in the presser and then moved to another team either in the NHL or AHL.
Daisy Jane
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and again, this is december - and their struggles didn't just "pop" overnight. it was probably more of "I've told you enough and you know." the end.
FlareKnight
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Then why do we even need a coach? He's already taught them the system and these are NHL players. Carlyle should only have to show up to training camp and then take a holiday until next year.
Muston Atthews
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If you tell someone time and time again what they are doing wrong and they still don't fix it, wouldn't it be a bit redundant to say it another time? Randy has talked to them about their deficiencies and told them if they don't smarten up then they sit. They didn't smarten up so they sat.
How do you know Carlyle didn't follow up himself? Or give them direction beforehand?
If there's one thing that players have made clear, it's that Carlyle tells you what you're doing. It's most likely that he's addressed the issues before and they already knew why they weren't playing.
just watched the 2nd episode, Great episode, especially the little gards and rielly exchange. plus the phaneuf and Crosby thing, and kadri phone call was alright too.
I can honestly say randy is trying everything, but this team is just stupid sometimes. good they deserved to be ripped after that game. embarrassing game. great job by Carlyle.
after watching this game, I am so happy that dion is the captain, but u know people here will rip him no matter what he does. trying to motivate his team in room, loved that.
nonis please sign him fast!
I can honestly say randy is trying everything, but this team is just stupid sometimes. good they deserved to be ripped after that game. embarrassing game. great job by Carlyle.
after watching this game, I am so happy that dion is the captain, but u know people here will rip him no matter what he does. trying to motivate his team in room, loved that.
nonis please sign him fast!
Mitchy
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I love the Toronto parts, though the Detroit parts are pretty boring.
I lol'd during the kessel and phaneuf ping pong match and when kessel stole phaneuf's food.
The second episode was definitely a lot more better than the first episode. Hopefully, the next episode will be even better and there will be less of Babcock and more of other players.
I lol'd during the kessel and phaneuf ping pong match and when kessel stole phaneuf's food.
The second episode was definitely a lot more better than the first episode. Hopefully, the next episode will be even better and there will be less of Babcock and more of other players.
I hate his intermission speeches to players. Ive had AAA coaches that were better then that. Its embarrassing. He makes them feel terrible and never tells them what to do to improve. He needs to tell them directly how to improve. No more of this move your feet, were not competing to the highest level possible.
I can kind of understand why he isn't known as a player coach now.n
I can kind of understand why he isn't known as a player coach now.n
Leafidelity
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Professional coaches aren't there to teach fundamentals. They work on systems in practice over and over. If they try a new play, it's done during a drill with everyone on the ice. The players know where they need to be. At a certain point, they need to be accountable for their own actions. If they aren't executing, you get a situation like Ranger and Fraser.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Rob Brown
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These guys are pros, do they need to be told everything they need to do? It's different coaching young teenagers or whatever, not really sure it's fair to compare the two.
I also bet that the assistant coaches go more in depth with the players in their respective positions/individual coaching once Randy is done, and there's obvioisly bits HBO missed or skipped/edited that occurred either in practice, before the game or during the game. It's not like we're seeing EVERYTHING.
Rob Brown
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What reaction are you talking about? They didn't show each players face once Carlyle left the room. Not really sure that it's fair to make assumptions, HBO obviously isn't showing every single second of every pre-game/intermission.
By the teams reaction the following periods. I'm not going to get deep into this since me or you could be right, I just feel like more should have been said
Yes all points you made are valid. I just don't see the team making changes. So I stick to my point. Either its a communication problem or its a problem of they don't want to play his system
Leafidelity
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Despite the fact that he's gotten better since he's been here? You're filling in quite a few blanks based on "numerous reporters".
Rob Brown
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Right, but again, you're assuming that all that was said was what was shown to you. It's not unedited raw footage that HBO is showing. They have a limited time frame to work with so obviously they aren't going to show every single second of the intermission. Of course we're not seeing the whole thing.
As for the reaction of the team, there are more factors at play than solely what Randy Carlyle told them during the intermission. It's not like they went out the next period and lost solely because he didn't talk enough. There's more at play, so you can't just say they came out and reacted poorly because they didn't hear enough.
Rob Brown
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Or perhaps they just aren't good enough? Maybe they are just playing poorly and are getting beat? It's clear that the core of this team is capable of winning under Carlyle, so saying it's a communication problem isn't necessarily true, same with them not wanting to play to his system. They had some success doing both last year, so maybe they're just in a rough patch, no?
I don't know exactly how to word this properly. But when the coach comes in and says move your feet and were not playing to our capacity. I know he worded it differently but thats how my coach said it. Usually means he doesn't know whats wrong with the team but he doesn't like the outcome.
Cheers I don't know how to word this further.
I'm going purely on a players mentality/I've been playing for for a while and when the coach says things like that he has no idea what to change. Thats why I'm worried
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