Rumor: Hawks expected to make big splash (Robertson, Knies, etc)

[Hawkaholic]

I look forward to peaking roughly as high as the LA Kings of the last few years; another team that tried to shortcut their rebuild by making negative-value trades with a short-term mindset.

Theres nothing short term about Byram.

 

[Cashman]

Theres nothing short term about Byram.

I think they said July 1st that he can sign the extension. If it goes further than that, I would be concerned.

 

[JaegerDice]

Theres nothing short term about Byram.

It's entirely short-term in mindset.

The contract will obviously be long-term, likely at a #1D number for a player that has never proven he can be a #1D.

But the decision to trade assets for this player was to try and plug a hole quickly, regardless of whether the plug would be effective enough to move the needle for the team, or whether the price of said plug was worthy of the hole.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

It's entirely short-term in mindset.

The contract will obviously be long-term, likely at a #1D number for a player that has never proven he can be a #1D.

But the decision to trade assets for this player was to try and plug a hole quickly, regardless of whether the plug would be effective enough to move the needle for the team, or whether the price of said plug was worthy of the hole.

Was K'Andre Miller a 1 when Carolina made that deal and gave him 8x8.5? People said it was terrible...let it play out ffs

 

[JaegerDice]

Was K'Andre Miller a 1 when Carolina made that deal and gave him 8x8.5? People said it was terrible...let it play out ffs

Carolina paid a top-10 protected 1st rounder+ for Miller.

They literally had protection written into the trade to ensure they DID NOT GIVE AWAY a pick as valuable as the Blackhawks did, PLUS.

 

[ColbyChaos]

The fact you guys are obsessed with attacking Sharks rebuild a team that was in playoff fight this past year and is going to add Stenberg and already has a young core outperforming Hawks young core says alot about how you really feel about Hawks situation

We were ahead of them while playing in a tougher division before Bedard got injured..

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Was K'Andre Miller a 1 when Carolina made that deal and gave him 8x8.5? People said it was terrible...let it play out ffs

Did K'Andre Miller have extensive history of concussoins and cost a #4, a young top 4 RD who has done nothing but improve as player in recent years and a good 2nd round pick?

Also was Miller being gifted contract of a #1 defender based on "hope"?

 

[Paul Allen]

It's entirely short-term in mindset.

The contract will obviously be long-term, likely at a #1D number for a player that has never proven he can be a #1D.

But the decision to trade assets for this player was to try and plug a hole quickly, regardless of whether the plug would be effective enough to move the needle for the team, or whether the price of said plug was worthy of the hole.

Were any of those assets going to plug said hole in the next 4 years though?

How would you have plugged this hole?

 

[JaegerDice]

We were ahead of them while playing in a tougher division before Bedard got injured..

I've definitely heard that a team's success is best measured by the first 3 months of the season.

 

[hawksfan50]

Robertson turned down 8vyear 96 million offer from Dallas...so RFA status and open for an offer sheet which woukd need to be over$14 million per to sign hom in all probability..

 

[JaegerDice]

Were any of those assets going to plug said hole in the next 4 years though?

How would you have plugged this hole?

I would have played it as the best teams in the NHL do.

They determine in-house what any given player's value is - on their roster, in their pipeline, and around the league.

They begin a negotiation low, and move toward that initial evaluation. That initial evaluation is the drop-dead, walk-away point.

If another team is willing to pay more, you do not break from the internal evaluation to out-bid them. You let the other team over-pay and keep your powder dry to ensure you have the assets ready for the next big name to hit the market.

You move on to your contingency options, which will almost certainly cost less. Because you would rather improve your team by a little with surplus value, than improve your team moderately at negative value.

Good teams don't let the market dictate their moves. Bad teams let the market dictate their payment.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yeah f*** no on paying Tuch that,, Let the Caps or someone else make that mistake

 

[JaegerDice]

Yeah f*** no on paying Tuch that,, Let the Caps or someone else make that mistake

KD is running to the phone right now, begging to pay a 2nd rounder for negotiating rights to pay him. lol

 

[Paul Allen]

I would have played it as the best teams in the NHL do.

They determine in-house what any given player's value is - on their roster, in their pipeline, and around the league.

They begin a negotiation low, and move toward that initial evaluation. That initial evaluation is the drop-dead, walk-away point.

If another team is willing to pay more, you do not break from the internal evaluation to out-bid them. You let the other team over-pay and keep your powder dry to ensure you have the assets ready for the next big name to hit the market.

You move on to your contingency options, which will almost certainly cost less. Because you would rather improve your team by a little with surplus value, than improve your team moderately at negative value.

Good teams don't let the market dictate their moves. Bad teams let the market dictate their payment.

How would you have felt about SJ completing the trade with 9,27, and whatever else it was. Would you still say Byram wouldn’t move the needle there? Overpayment? Not worth the upcoming contract?

 

[Paul Allen]

Yeah f*** no on paying Tuch that,, Let the Caps or someone else make that mistake

We can agree on something today.

 

[AmericanDream]

Yeah f*** no on paying Tuch that,, Let the Caps or someone else make that mistake

Mark Jankowski 6×5.5

 

[JaegerDice]

How would you have felt about SJ completing the trade with 9,27, and whatever else it was. Would you still say Byram wouldn’t move the needle there? Overpayment? Not worth the upcoming contract?

Yes.

I would say that paying two first-round picks for Bowen Byram is an overpay that doesn't move the needle anywhere near enough to merit the cost.

You are allowed, as a general manager, to let other teams make mistakes.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Mark Jankowski 6×5.5

Never claimed any such nonsense

And Jankowski on 2 yr deal to be our 4th line C would have actually improved our roster unlike the worthless sack of shit we got from Sabres yesterday

 

[Hawkaholic]

It's entirely short-term in mindset.

The contract will obviously be long-term, likely at a #1D number for a player that has never proven he can be a #1D.

But the decision to trade assets for this player was to try and plug a hole quickly, regardless of whether the plug would be effective enough to move the needle for the team, or whether the price of said plug was worthy of the hole.

Its not at all short term mindset. He's 25.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Never claimed any such nonsense

And Jankowski on 2 yr deal to be our 4th line C would have actually improved our roster unlike the worthless sack of shit we got from Sabres yesterday

Are you saying Jankowski is more impactful on the ice than Byram? You can't be serious.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Did K'Andre Miller have extensive history of concussoins and cost a #4, a young top 4 RD who has done nothing but improve as player in recent years and a good 2nd round pick?

Also was Miller being gifted contract of a #1 defender based on "hope"?

Crevier is not a top 4 D.

 

[AmericanDream]

Are you saying Jankowski is more impactful on the ice than Byram? You can't be serious.

Check please

 

[Paul Allen]

Yes.

I would say that paying two first-round picks for Bowen Byram is an overpay that doesn't move the needle anywhere near enough to merit the cost.

You are allowed, as a general manager, to let other teams make mistakes.

What would you have considered appropriate value for Byram in this situation?


Makar, who we can both agree moved the needle, is also a ufa next summer. What would you consider market value for him to be then?

 

[Hawkaholic]

What would you have considered appropriate value for Byram in this situation?


Makar, who we can both agree moved the needle, is also a ufa next summer. What would you consider market value for him to be then?

His value is what teams are willing to trade for him, and by the sounds of it, there were plenty of teams interested, and teams put in roughly the same offer we offered.

 

[hawksfan50]

Robertson turned dowm$12 million per for 8 year deal with Dallas..

2 methods to sign hom by other teams:
.Before July 1st...could offer Dallas firsts in a sign and trade for setup on amount he agrees tob=likelyvabove $14milluon to maybe $+6 million per ....if you o the trade he can still sign for 8 years..

However if you wait till after July 1st and just offer sheet him which Dallas does not match they get 4 first anyway but your cobtract with him can be for only for 6 years...
Or if your trade with Dallas cones on or after July 1st this year but is a sign and trade then it can have ax7 year length.

Obviously Robertson n wants an 8 year deal at top money he expects..

So best to make a deal now with DLkas..they getcsame 4 firsts but Robertson coukd getv8 years instead of just 6or 7...
Is he worth 4 firsts?

I presume KD going all 3 firsts in 2027 plus 2028 2st..so the draft carage over after 2027 draft ..
But Bedsy woukd have his dream wnger so who cares about 4 1sts...right?

On th vother hand you could pay Alex Tuchh just $$$$$ without any draft carnage...

Your choice, KD.....

Update.. Tuch now off the market..sign and trade d to Capitals ..8 years $84 million

Obviously KD wanted a bigger fish splash so avoided over payvon Tuch.

Now will overpay on Robertson or Knies...right?
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