Proposal: Hawks closeout sale (Chi-Tor, Chi-Col, Chi-NYR, Chi-Edm, Chi-Sea)

[Mrfenn92]

this one sided baitclick article needs to be confronted, so it may be pummeled into submission!!!

1. Assuming Kane has not lost much in the tank, which is a legit concern atm, his price should be for a half year rental, not insane overpay. Period.

2. Anyone should realize it is most likely he goes to Buff, b'c family is/is near there. Sabes wait the half year, get him for free.

3. Rangers interest is NOT this damn, stupid, win now mentality which, given it is cup or bust, is failure in 99% of all situations in all sports in recent memory. Exception was NFL Rams, and that is only b'c Niners were stupid, and with a lead, insisted on playing an injured Jimmy G over the backup.

NO, ADAMANTLY NO.

4. Rangers actual best interest IS to get as many bites of the apple as possible, by extending young core. This means creating space for Chytil, KK, Krav, etc etc and long terming KAM sooner than later = cheaper in the long run AND NOT FAVORING VETS.

5. So not only does this mean no Kane idiocy.
It means the preferred course for NY is to ask bread if, once Kane is in Buf, if he will agree to waive to go there.
Panarin will not waive to go just anywhere. And he prob wants a cup and if NYR is further along, those chances go down slightly if he waives.
Howev, in 3.5 years he will not only get nothing like what he is getting now, but he is not gonna get any offer, b'c what NY cap might allow, if anything at all, would be an insult. He surely recognizes that.
I see if Kane is on board, and has not cost any assets due to ufa signing, and Sabes have half dozen decent or better Fs and emerging D corp w/2 studs headlining, they really only need to quality add, and then like NJ/TOR get lucky in finding a decent G solution.

Bread retained from 11+ to an even 10 + Avalanche 2023 3rd to Buf for 4 picks, all 2nd/3rd rounders, plus, of course, signif cap relief.

THAT is the win win here
And if whoev wrote that article wants to debate me at mutually convenient times, that can be arranged.

Beyond stupid to think Rangers should pay Chytil + for half year of a possibly deteriorating Kane.
beyond

Kane hasn’t lost anything. Of course it’s clickbait. Most articles are.
Panarin isn’t waiving to buffalo and buffalo isn’t trading for panarin.

 

[bernmeister]

Kane hasn’t lost anything. Of course it’s clickbait. Most articles are.
Panarin isn’t waiving to buffalo and buffalo isn’t trading for panarin.

"Kane hasn’t lost anything."
That's a statement of faith, not fact.
Esp since his totals are low this yr, tho it is fair to say other factors contribute to that.

"Of course it’s clickbait. Most articles are."
Nevertheless, I decided to call out the author, rather than let him assert a false narrative with impunity.

"Panarin isn’t waiving to buffalo"
In a vacuum, no, but in real world, IF they first get Kane as ufa and keep immediate player assets, then likely yes if you acknowledge my truthful, factually correct statement Rangers, regardless of any potential concern of more wear and tear on bread, will not have cap space, and dealing him sooner to a comfortable fit IS in his own best interest.

"and buffalo isn’t trading for panarin."
4 total 2nds/3rds for 3 years bread retained to 10 is reasonable, and it makes a statement to Kane, which is important b'c he is likely, but not 111% certain to go Buf, and also to their fans that they are making a measured overture to improve team.
So if no Kane, I agree.
If UFA Kane, I disagree.

 

[Mrfenn92]

"Kane hasn’t lost anything."
That's a statement of faith, not fact.
Esp since his totals are low this yr, tho it is fair to say other factors contribute to that.

"Of course it’s clickbait. Most articles are."
Nevertheless, I decided to call out the author, rather than let him assert a false narrative with impunity.

"Panarin isn’t waiving to buffalo"
In a vacuum, no, but in real world, IF they first get Kane as ufa and keep immediate player assets, then likely yes if you acknowledge my truthful, factually correct statement Rangers, regardless of any potential concern of more wear and tear on bread, will not have cap space, and dealing him sooner to a comfortable fit IS in his own best interest.

"and buffalo isn’t trading for panarin."
4 total 2nds/3rds for 3 years bread retained to 10 is reasonable, and it makes a statement to Kane, which is important b'c he is likely, but not 111% certain to go Buf, and also to their fans that they are making a measured overture to improve team.
So if no Kane, I agree.
If UFA Kane, I disagree.

It’s a statement of fact. Simple as that.

I’m sure the author of the clickbait is devastated.

Real world panarin isn’t waiving to buffalo and buffalos future cap situation isn’t going to let them do it. If Kane signs there it’s not goin to change anything on buffalos end.

How about skinner for panarin? Cap in and out for both teams

 

[EddieTheEagle]

this one sided baitclick article needs to be confronted, so it may be pummeled into submission!!!

1. Assuming Kane has not lost much in the tank, which is a legit concern atm, his price should be for a half year rental, not insane overpay. Period.

2. Anyone should realize it is most likely he goes to Buff, b'c family is/is near there. Sabes wait the half year, get him for free.

3. Rangers interest is NOT this damn, stupid, win now mentality which, given it is cup or bust, is failure in 99% of all situations in all sports in recent memory. Exception was NFL Rams, and that is only b'c Niners were stupid, and with a lead, insisted on playing an injured Jimmy G over the backup.

NO, ADAMANTLY NO.

4. Rangers actual best interest IS to get as many bites of the apple as possible, by extending young core. This means creating space for Chytil, KK, Krav, etc etc and long terming KAM sooner than later = cheaper in the long run AND NOT FAVORING VETS.

5. So not only does this mean no Kane idiocy.
It means the preferred course for NY is to ask bread if, once Kane is in Buf, if he will agree to waive to go there.
Panarin will not waive to go just anywhere. And he prob wants a cup and if NYR is further along, those chances go down slightly if he waives.
Howev, in 3.5 years he will not only get nothing like what he is getting now, but he is not gonna get any offer, b'c what NY cap might allow, if anything at all, would be an insult. He surely recognizes that.
I see if Kane is on board, and has not cost any assets due to ufa signing, and Sabes have half dozen decent or better Fs and emerging D corp w/2 studs headlining, they really only need to quality add, and then like NJ/TOR get lucky in finding a decent G solution.

Bread retained from 11+ to an even 10 + Avalanche 2023 3rd to Buf for 4 picks, all 2nd/3rd rounders, plus, of course, signif cap relief.

THAT is the win win here
And if whoev wrote that article wants to debate me at mutually convenient times, that can be arranged.

Beyond stupid to think Rangers should pay Chytil + for half year of a possibly deteriorating Kane.
beyond

I'm excited to see what moves the NYR makes at the deadline...

 

[waitin425]

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

How about skinner for panarin? Cap in and out for both teams

Why would the Rangers ever entertain that?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Why would the Rangers ever entertain that?

They wouldn’t. Same way buffalo and panarin wouldn’t entertain a trade there.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Pass on Domi at that price, want nothing to do with Tinordi as he was with NYR last year and sucked.

Kurashev and McCabe are intriguing pieces for NYR though.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Trade #1 would definately get Dubas fired.

S9 that means the Leafs do it?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

They wouldn’t. Same way buffalo and panarin wouldn’t entertain a trade there.

Well proven. I guess.

 

[TGWL]

"Kane hasn’t lost anything."
That's a statement of faith, not fact.
Esp since his totals are low this yr, tho it is fair to say other factors contribute to that.

"Of course it’s clickbait. Most articles are."
Nevertheless, I decided to call out the author, rather than let him assert a false narrative with impunity.

"Panarin isn’t waiving to buffalo"
In a vacuum, no, but in real world, IF they first get Kane as ufa and keep immediate player assets, then likely yes if you acknowledge my truthful, factually correct statement Rangers, regardless of any potential concern of more wear and tear on bread, will not have cap space, and dealing him sooner to a comfortable fit IS in his own best interest.

"and buffalo isn’t trading for panarin."
4 total 2nds/3rds for 3 years bread retained to 10 is reasonable, and it makes a statement to Kane, which is important b'c he is likely, but not 111% certain to go Buf, and also to their fans that they are making a measured overture to improve team.
So if no Kane, I agree.
If UFA Kane, I disagree.

Let's say Kane wants to sign in Buffalo and Panarin waives. We'll play the game.

How much do you think Kane is signing for in the offseason? We'll also say he's lost a little step and he's now a 75 point player. How much do you think that's worth signing for?

Now, Panarin waives and he's got a cap hit of 11.6 million.

Okposo isn't re-signed and that 6 million goes to Tage Tompson and his increased cap hit from the new contract he signed. They need to sign a goalie and they have Dahlin and Powers coming up a year later. That's not very smart. They probably would like to have some cap to make other changes as well.

It's not smart for Buffalo to want Panarin even if he waives.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Well proven. I guess.

I guess

 

[The Flying Octopus]

Hawks fans coming up w pipe dreams realizing they won’t get the level of team needed to continue their success. #onegoal

 

[Mrfenn92]

Hawks fans coming up w pipe dreams realizing they won’t get the level of team needed to continue their success. #onegoal

What hawks fans besides the op?

 

[Putt Pirate]

K

"Kane hasn’t lost anything."
That's a statement of faith, not fact.
Esp since his totals are low this yr, tho it is fair to say other factors contribute to that.

"Of course it’s clickbait. Most articles are."
Nevertheless, I decided to call out the author, rather than let him assert a false narrative with impunity.

"Panarin isn’t waiving to buffalo"
In a vacuum, no, but in real world, IF they first get Kane as ufa and keep immediate player assets, then likely yes if you acknowledge my truthful, factually correct statement Rangers, regardless of any potential concern of more wear and tear on bread, will not have cap space, and dealing him sooner to a comfortable fit IS in his own best interest.

"and buffalo isn’t trading for panarin."
4 total 2nds/3rds for 3 years bread retained to 10 is reasonable, and it makes a statement to Kane, which is important b'c he is likely, but not 111% certain to go Buf, and also to their fans that they are making a measured overture to improve team.
So if no Kane, I agree.
If UFA Kane, I disagree.

Kane is playing with AHL quality players this year. No Cat, Panarin, Sharp, etc. So yes his numbers are less. But, GMs are worried about winning and winning now when in the Rags position. I am not too concerned about some random’s rants on HF about trying to slow roll while the GM is worried about winning a cup and keeping his job.

Toews would fetch at most a 2nd with 50% retained.

The others get 3rd rounders I suspect.

 

[ralphamale14]

Only care about the Leafs perspective but given NJ has a bunch of high end prospects they can deal for half price Kane and the Rangers are rumored to be offering Kakko, I would imagine the Leafs would at least have to add Knies + a 1st as a base to get into the conversation. Too rich for my blood, fold.

 

[GAGLine]

Only care about the Leafs perspective but given NJ has a bunch of high end prospects they can deal for half price Kane and the Rangers are rumored to be offering Kakko, I would imagine the Leafs would at least have to add Knies + a 1st as a base to get into the conversation. Too rich for my blood, fold.

Rumored according to who? Because that's BS.

 

[I am Canadian]

Do we have an example of a player of Kane's caliber being traded as a rental? Maybe Kovalchuk?

Seems like a lot going back from Leafs perspective. Hirvonen has fallen off this year as a prospect btw.

I would counter by switching Robertson to Abruzzese.

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[AvroArrow]

Leafs fan asking for some vaseline with that proposal

 

[UnSandvich]

Only care about the Leafs perspective but given NJ has a bunch of high end prospects they can deal for half price Kane and the Rangers are rumored to be offering Kakko, I would imagine the Leafs would at least have to add Knies + a 1st as a base to get into the conversation. Too rich for my blood, fold.

if the Rangers were offering Kakko, Kane would already be in Rangers blue.

 

[ralphamale14]

if the Rangers were offering Kakko, Kane would already be in Rangers blue.

My point was at the moment that's the ante to get in the game. I was it was a rumor.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Only care about the Leafs perspective but given NJ has a bunch of high end prospects they can deal for half price Kane and the Rangers are rumored to be offering Kakko, I would imagine the Leafs would at least have to add Knies + a 1st as a base to get into the conversation. Too rich for my blood, fold.

Don’t see the rangers moving laf or kakko in any Kane deal

 

[dirtydanglez]

change the avs pick to a 2nd and it's more fair

 

[The Flying Octopus]

What hawks fans besides the op?

Just that one, thats all the fans they have. Don't bait me, lol.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Just that one, thats all the fans they have. Don't bait me, lol.

I guess