Confirmed with Link: Hawks aquire Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway for 4th overall, 45th overall, and Crevier

[ClydeLee]

We instead want to go after a 33 year old 1 dimensional guys who thrive in long time together system but are meh outside it?

Oh Nikishin, its an add, but you're calling Byram a #4 but what a guy who hasnt get shown he can even be a #4 to be a top pair ld?

 

[RememberTheRoar]

get Chicago and SJ being interested but why were the Rangers...they need to start over...must be completely out on the D group available

I think that’s exactly it, huge indictment on how the league views the draft. Top 5 this year isn’t your typical top 5.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Nikishin is available in Carolina because he may cost more than Canes believe they can fit in cap structure going forward

Hawks just got Bowen Byram-Keith...doesnt matter

 

[Giovi]

He’s talking about Nikishin I think

If he is, I don't think Nikishin can add to the pp nearly as well as Byram, or contribute as much o 5 on 5 either.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hawks just got Bowen Byram-Keith...doesnt matter

You mean Duncan Byram

 

[RememberTheRoar]

You mean Duncan Byram

There you go, now you’re getting it!

 

[Toews2Bickell]

You mean Duncan Byram

BWC in on the generational rebuild...things ya love to see

 

[Space umpire]

I made it through 20 pages of this humor.
My opinions on the thread, …
BWC, Do you really feel the need to post the exact same opinion over 40 times?
Opinions on the trade, …
I like the trade. Byram is exactly what this team needed. Without waiting 5 years for development.
What interests me (I think I’m the only one) is Greenway. Tough physical player, good skater, hard worker, excellent penalty killer. I see (hopefully) growth from him. This team has a lot of young forward/center depth. Running net front traffic playing with some combination of Greene, Moore, Lardis. I can definitely see 20 goals.

 

[AmericanDream]

You mean Duncan Byram

Sounds like a Game of Thrones character

 

[tzo]

Sabres notes: Jordan Greenway skating with ‘zero pain,’ says he can play again this season - Buffalo Hockey Beat

Sabres winger Jordan Greenway said he worked out for eight hours a day in the gym, the pool and on the ice trying to find ways to use different muscles.

www.buffalohockeybeat.com

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

If he is, I don't think Nikishin can add to the pp nearly as well as Byram, or contribute as much o 5 on 5 either.

Byram contributed very little on PP

1 goal while averaging 1:35 TOI on PP in Buffalo this past year

Nikishin had 4 PPG averaging 1:26 TOI on PP in Carolina his 1st year in NA

Nikishin had as many goals as Byram this past year (11), Has physical edge to his game (Far outhits Byram) and shot blocks all while being better puck mover. All while being younger and not having extensive concussion history of Byram

Nikishin would have been much better target for Hawks

 

[Space umpire]

the issue with it is not the length of his contact, it's that davidson did the sabres a favor by taking his salary off their hands (freeing up more money to spend on acquiring someone else OR bringing back tuch)... and for that favor somehow the sabres still got him to give up a roster D-man and the 45th pick... the way it usually works when a team helps by taking unwanted salary is the other team throws in a sweetener like a 2nd round pick

He is overpaid which doesn’t really matter to the Hawks but he is not a bad player and is a dick to play against.

 

[ello]

I made it through 20 pages of this humor.
My opinions on the thread, …
BWC, Do you really feel the need to post the exact same opinion over 40 times?
Opinions on the trade, …
I like the trade. Byram is exactly what this team needed. Without waiting 5 years for development.
What interests me (I think I’m the only one) is Greenway. Tough physical player, good skater, hard worker, excellent penalty killer. I see (hopefully) growth from him. This team has a lot of young forward/center depth. Running net front traffic playing with some combination of Greene, Moore, Lardis. I can definitely see 20 goals.

Greenway's like 30 dude, he'll be gone next year

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Also Greenway is far from a good skater and this myth of him being excellent PKer is complete fiction it seems spun to try and prop up a player who brings nothing to table

 

[ello]

I get the trade. Like the player. Hate how much we gave up and I hate how much we're going to have to pay him. We're probably about to make Byram one of the top 5 paid Dmen in the league for no reason other that desperation and hope about what he CAN become

Assets and cap are finite resources and micro overpayments add up over time. Other players will demand salaries based on precedent. This is a macro overpayment.

Also there's a fit question for me. Byram is also an offensive leaning guy. Is that really a great a fit with Lev? Or Rinzel? I feel like Byram/Lev bleeds opportunities against

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I get the trade. Like the player. Hate how much we gave up and I hate how much we're going to have to pay him

Assets and cap are finite resources and micro overpayments add up over time. This is a macro overpayment.

Byram is also an offensive leaning guy. Is that really a great a fit with Lev? Or Rinzel? I feel like Byram/Lev bleeds opportunities against

I expect we will see Byram-Kaiser top pairing at this point since we traded our top RD option in Crevier (Neither Lev or Rinzel have shown capable of playing #1 RD role with any degree of success)

As you pointed out Byram being D liability paired with other D liabilities will just be issue

 

[StreetHawk]

I get the trade. Like the player. Hate how much we gave up and I hate how much we're going to have to pay him. We're probably about to make Byram one of the top 5 paid Dmen in the league for no reason other that desperation and hope about what he CAN become

Assets and cap are finite resources and micro overpayments add up over time. Other players will demand salaries based on precedent. This is a macro overpayment.

Also there's a fit question for me. Byram is also an offensive leaning guy. Is that really a great a fit with Lev? Or Rinzel? I feel like Byram/Lev bleeds opportunities against

Chicago re-entering the landscape of filling a need vs asset maximization.

Prices are high as there is limited supply of available players to fill big needs (C and D).

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hopefully Dreger is wrong as usual but that is the $ figure at minimum I expect

A 4 yr deal though would further make this trade worse

 

[Space umpire]

What I don’t understand is the claims that this was some kind of massive overpay.
Byram is what you hope the Dman you would pick at #4 becomes 5 years from now and he’s already there and a much better fit for the teams timeline.
So logic says he’s worth (a bit) more than pick #4.
Greenway will be a solid fit and since most mid 2nd rounders never make the NHL he’s worth a bit more than the 2nd rd pick that was sent.
Crevier evens it up … a 3rd pair Dman who has a decent shot but was soft and a defensive liability who was going to get minimal ice time the way the top 4 is shaping up.

 

[Space umpire]

Also Greenway is far from a good skater and this myth of him being excellent PKer is complete fiction it seems spun to try and prop up a player who brings nothing to table

The opinion is from both hockey radio talking heads and Sabre fans.
…
So let’s see. Who do I believe? People who make their living evaluating hockey happenings and fans of the team the guy played for who watched him regularly?
OR
BWC?

 

[u2wojo]

Are we really talking about Nikishin in the context of Byram with a stright face? If we are trying to call Byram a #4, Nikishin is a 6/7 without any hyperbole. Dude played 14:50 per game in the playoffs and was 6th on his team while Byram was 22:24 per coming in second only to Dahlin.

 

[TLEH]

No sense getting fired up based on a Dregs self admitted guess

 

[Space umpire]

Hopefully Dreger is wrong as usual but that is the $ figure at minimum I expect

A 4 yr deal though would further make this trade worse

Why? You act like that would be uncommon? He’s 25, a 3 to 5 year deal gives him 1 more bite at the apple at age 29-31. When the cap is 3 to 5 years higher?

 

[tzo]

"Buffalo totally destroyed Chicago in this trade!"

Is Buffalo a better team after this trade? No.

Is Chicago? Yes.

Does the 45th, Crevier, and Greenway really matter? Not really. Necessary assets to beat the competition.

So trading the 4th pick which may or may not pan out to be a BB in 5+ years, or sure, maybe better, for a 4th pick with experience right now is a bad trade? The Hawks have used tons of picks and have tons more. "Gotta turn them into trade pieces." And then when it happens, hair on fire panic.

 

[Jetskiis]

The opinion is from both hockey radio talking heads and Sabre fans.
…
So let’s see. Who do I believe? People who make their living evaluating hockey happenings and fans of the team the guy played for who watched him regularly?
OR
BWC?

Everybody loves to bash Greenway, he is big and slow, but he is a damn good pker. He eats all the toughest defensive assignments, does it well, and doesnt complain. He is an absolute professional. Is he overpaid? yes. Is he not an asset? no.