Confirmed with Link: Hawks aquire Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway for 4th overall, 45th overall, and Crevier

[Hawkaholic]

well you in particularly didn't say anything of substance at all when i asked, so you can't accuse me of misquoting you.

What was originally said was, he doesn't have to be Keith because the price it took to acquire him wasn't anything close to what it would take to acquire a Keith.

 

[TLEH]

Its funny to look at the reactions to the Seth Jones trade and this trade. Similar reactions across the board. From similar people also. Its definitely a different move in terms of timelines, but in terms of overpay and the ensuing contract we have to pay, it feels eerily similar.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Its funny to look at the reactions to the Seth Jones trade and this trade. Similar reactions across the board. Its definitely a different move in terms of timelines, but in terms of overpay and the ensuing contract we have to pay, it feels eerily similar.

It's true, but back then we should have been starting to rebuild, not bring in a guy who didn't fit that at all. At least Byram fits the timeline of our young players, so in that it is different.

 

[statswatcher]

What was originally said was, he doesn't have to be Keith because the price it took to acquire him wasn't anything close to what it would take to acquire a Keith.

what i said was he doesn't have to be keith, he has to be better than he has been with more responsibility, i.e. a legitimate 1D. you responded to that by making sure we are all aware of your deeply felt and lived faith that he will be that, and we are all very supportive of you and your decisions.

 

[Hawkaholic]

what I said was he doesn't have to be keith, he has to be better than he has been with more responsibility, i.e. a legitimate 1D. you responded to that by making sure we are all aware of your deeply felt and loved faith that he will be that, and we are all very supportive of you and your decisions.

I never said he will be that.

 

[TLEH]

It's true, but back then we should have been starting to rebuild, not bring in a guy who didn't fit that at all. At least Byram fits the timeline of our young players, so in that it is different.

Yeah that is why I said its different timelines. Its not the same move, the Jones one was worse because that team was f***ing terrible. But basically what I'm saying is that the same people convince themselves that every move is good.

 

[statswatcher]

I never said he will be that.

yeah, like i said, you said nothing of any value or content. good work.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Yeah that is why I said its different timelines. Its not the same move, the Jones one was worse because that team was f***ing terrible. But basically what I'm saying is that the same people convince themselves that every move is good.

I hated the Jones trade for the player we were getting ,the cost it took to get him, and the position our team was in. I only hate this move because of what it cost. I like the player, and the age of the player with the timeline.

 

[Hawkaholic]

yeah, like i said, you said nothing of any value or content. good work.

Right, so stop misquoting. I dont have to explain anything to you, or anyone else.

 

[statswatcher]

Right, so stop misquoting. I dont have to explain anything to you, or anyone else.

you can't misquote someone that said nothing at all.

 

[hockeydoug]

I dont see this as shifting gears on them at all. It's getting them help so they dont have to be in high pressure situations while they are still very raw. No reason we can't have multiple high level Dmen on this team. I dont think it adds any years at all.

There's only 1 pp1 and only so many OZ matchups to push for a goal. Lev and Rinzel aren't seeing those for a while so we're stuck guessing for more seasons as to what they'll be...unless they move one of them soon.

 

[Dead Meat]

I wish we kept Crevier to use for a trade with Montreal - those people will overpay for somebody that speaks French...

Greenway has to be the guy that makes other teams lay off the cheap stuff - hopefully him and Spellacy can do that job.

This whole situation is painful just because the only light at the end of this season was a top pick and it feels like it was all for nothing today.

 

[TLEH]

I hated the Jones trade for the player we were getting ,the cost it took to get him, and the position our team was in. I only hate this move because of what it cost. I like the player, and the age of the player with the timeline.

I also like Byram, I like the fit. I wanted a veteran D. I wanted a PMLD.

 

[Hawkaholic]

you can't misquote someone that said nothing at all.

Sure you can, you just did it a couple posts ago.

 

[Hawkaholic]

There's only 1 pp1 and only so many OZ matchups to push for a goal. Lev and Rinzel aren't seeing those for a while so we're stuck guessing for more seasons as to what they'll be...unless they move one of them soon.

They dont need to, they are still really young. Players can still develop without getting top pair mins in every situation.

 

[hockeydoug]

Drafting and developing them. They started with them in that position and realized it was too much for them so they backed off. They didn't lock them out of anything, one of them could easily start beside Byram to start the year, or at some point throughout the year and into the future.

If you think Blashill isn't handing Byrum all the minutes he can that he took away from the kids the last half of last year, not sure what to say.

 

[Hawkaholic]

If you think Blashill isn't handing Byrum all the minutes he can that he took away from the kids the last half of last year, not sure what to say.

Of course he is, they can still play beside Byram, and still play PP2, and still develop without having to be the guy back there.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

if there was ever a doubt this is to push things forward for Bedard to sign that 8 year deal

 

[bwanajamba]

Here's the best copium I've got that isn't just "it'll be fine": they didn't dip into the league-best (by the reckoning of many) prospect pool at all to make the trade, and #4 would have been used on a D who would be a few years away from being an impact player. So you're trading #45 and Crevier to forgo the development timeline and remove a certain level of uncertainty on the pick. Fair enough

The flipside is that Byram hasn't shown he's the guy they need him to be for this trade to pay off, so you're still hoping for a certain level of improvement that is far from certain to happen, he has a worrisome concussion history, and he needs to be paid and suddenly has a ton of leverage to demand a crazy contract. And value-wise it feels like the Blackhawks paid the cost you'd expect for a guy without those question marks

It just feels like a bad gamble, not a move to put a team over the top but to claw back some respectability. I don't think it cripples the rebuild or dooms the future of the team, pending whatever extension he gets, but I don't think it's a good trade as we stand now. Would love to be wrong

 

[Melrose Munch]

instead of this trade, just draft someone at 4 and package that for Michkov so you don't give up center depth, and give this contract to Makar.

unreal. Fire Davidson.

 

[hockeydoug]

They dont need to, they are still really young. Players can still develop without getting top pair mins in every situation.

Who said they aren't developing? Why so often what no one says?

We're not talking about bottom 6/pair minute fights, we're talking about 3 big picks taking longer to see what they can be.

Speaking of development, do we formally set up for the autopsy on KK's time in Chicago now or do we let him grind it out for bottom pair minutes the next 3 years?

 

[BLKHKhockey]

Don’t get the outrage for a winger for Bedard.

If Bedard can’t make it work for now with any of the other young players either on his wing or taking pressure off him on another line, then this team isn’t doing anything anyways.

I swear some people just want to see Bedard rack up points. That’s not the goal…

 

[Hawkaholic]

The flipside is that Byram hasn't shown he's the guy they need him to be for this trade to pay off,

He has shown he can play the 2nd most minutes on a legit playoff team and excel at it.

 

[statswatcher]

Sure you can, you just did it a couple posts ago.

no i didn't. that wasn't even a quote. it was an accurate caricature of how people like you can only deal with the real concern that we're paying 1D prices for a guy who has never been a 1D with statements of faith.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Who said they aren't developing? Why so often what no one says?

We're not talking about bottom 6/pair minute fights, we're talking about 3 big picks taking longer to see what they can be.

Speaking of development, do we formally set up for the autopsy on KK's time in Chicago now or do we let him grind it out for bottom pair minutes the next 3 years?

You've been asking what they have been doing for the past 4 1/2 years, they have been developing and drafting the Dmen in that time. lol

It takes Dmen a long time to develop in the league, I dont see the issue of them taking a little bit longer and not having to be put in high pressure situations at a young age.