Confirmed with Link: Hawks aquire Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway for 4th overall, 45th overall, and Crevier

[Hawkaholic]

After trading away the 4th OA, I now have zero interest in Robertson. It was slim interest before trading away that pick.

 

[MHO]

Did Byram not play the second most minutes in Buffalo? By definition, is that not a top pairing dman?

Seems like a stretch to claim he’s a second pairing guy. Draisaitl isn’t a second line center just because he plays there.

The bet is he becomes the outright number one guy. He’s already a top pairing guy.

Technically he played the 3rd most minutes behind Dahlin and Samuelsson. But I think he was paired with Samuelsson most of the season.

And Samuelsson's numbers were better. Byram had 42 points in 82 games and Samuelsson had 41 points in 78. But Samuelsson had zero points on the PP and Byram had 7. Dahlin had 22 on the PP. The biggest difference was +/- where Byram was +15 and Samuelsson was +41. I guess that would indicate they didn't play together.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Technically he played the 3rd most minutes behind Dahlin and Samuelsson. But I think he was paired with Samuelsson most of the season.

And Samuelsson's numbers were better. Byram had 42 points in 82 games and Samuelsson had 41 points in 78. But Samuelsson had zero points on the PP and Byram had 7. Dahlin had 22 on the PP. The biggest difference was +/- where Byram was +15 and Samuelsson was +41. I guess that would indicate they didn't play together.

the toi between the two were nearly identical...again people are anchored to what buffalo paid for him and the pick number, attach a player to it (likely reid or carels) and its probable they traded the same type of player away for the now...if these defensemen were cant miss players SJ isnt going Stenberg with what they got on defense

 

[Hawkaholic]

Technically he played the 3rd most minutes behind Dahlin and Samuelsson. But I think he was paired with Samuelsson most of the season.

And Samuelsson's numbers were better. Byram had 42 points in 82 games and Samuelsson had 41 points in 78. But Samuelsson had zero points on the PP and Byram had 7. Dahlin had 22 on the PP. The biggest difference was +/- where Byram was +15 and Samuelsson was +41. I guess that would indicate they didn't play together.

Byram palyed 5 on 5 with

Dahlin for 211mins
Samuelsson for 196mins
Timmins for 250mins
Power for 586mins

He had the 2nd most TOI in the playoffs for them.

 

[NWsider]

if this was the #4, and 2 second picks, just for byrom, i'm on onboard. already a log jam with scrub FWDs, don't need more - GM kyle did buffalo a favor here and then doubled down on the favor with crevier. losing kesselring and now byrom, dumping greenway's salary....buffalo freeing up more cap space, getting a quality D-man. this trade has it all for buffalo.

i believe GM kyle thinks he's killing 2 birds with 1 stone. ostensibly, to help the D, but more so, to help the anemic offense. maybe. i'm not an expert on byrom - i can see him as a top pair D for us, is he really a top pair guy? back to unbalanced L/R d-corps.

if you really want to bolster the pathetic offense, get a #1 winger for bedard.

 

[MTU34]

Did someone say vastly superior?

Dobson went for the #16 and #17 pick and a pretty decent prospect that scored 22 goals this year, btw.

They paid a vastly superior package for him.

You think if they called Buffalo back and said we’d like to do the Edmonton 1st, Florida 1st, and Vanacker for #4 that they’d do it?

 

[Hawkaholic]

They paid a vastly superior package for him.

You think if they called Buffalo back and said we’d like to do the Edmonton 1st, Florida 1st, and Vanacker for #4 that they’d do it?

They didn't really.

I have no idea where you came up with that trade package.

 

[MHO]

Byram palyed 5 on 5 with

Dahlin for 211mins
Samuelsson for 196mins
Timmins for 250mins
Power for 586mins

He had the 2nd most TOI in the playoffs for them.

Got it. Did he play on the right with all those guys? I know Dahlin, Samuelsson, and Power are all lefties.

 

[BHFAN92]

trolling?

I'm always first in line to dunk on Davidson

this is a beneficial trade for the Hawks

I love Bo Byram and am super happy we got him. He is easily the most accomplished Defenseman on the roster and will fit in like a glove. I am upset at the value they gave up to get him, the contract that is not signed upon completion of this deal, and the fact they gave up major capital for a Defenseman instead of addressing Bedard's wing with a competent veteran, and the absolute waste of cap and roster space for Jordan Greenway. Draft hasn't happened and FA hasn't started so there is still time to make moves, but 2 contracts will have KD over a barrel quickly. There had better be bigger plans or this move is a major set back.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Got it. Did he play on the right with all those guys? I know Dahlin, Samuelsson, and Power are all lefties.

I believe he was mostly on the Right this past year, which is great that he can play both sides as well.

 

[Larmer83]

Technically he played the 3rd most minutes behind Dahlin and Samuelsson. But I think he was paired with Samuelsson most of the season.

And Samuelsson's numbers were better. Byram had 42 points in 82 games and Samuelsson had 41 points in 78. But Samuelsson had zero points on the PP and Byram had 7. Dahlin had 22 on the PP. The biggest difference was +/- where Byram was +15 and Samuelsson was +41. I guess that would indicate they didn't play together.

Paired mostly with Power.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/pairings.php?fromseason=20252026&thruseason=20252026&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=BUF&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410

Also, Byram played a lot on the right side. It's possible he gets paired with Vlasic.

 

[hockeydoug]

Drafting and developing them?

They kept forcing Vlasic into roles he can't handle and they pretty much got everything wrong at the blueline last year. No one can project a top pair type out of the group.

So when you permanently remove pp1 and prime OZ starts from these blue chip parts of the rebuild, my question stands.

There are 2 parts, what has gone on and what is going to happen. Byrum makes everything work better immediately but my god did KD waste a lot of time and assets to make this massive course correction.

 

[BHFAN92]

If some folks are upset that the 4th wasnt used to land a forward to help Bedard, I can understand that. Those of us who wanted to make a move felt that was absolutely necessary.

Byram was a player the brass has wanted and yes it is a heavy price to pay but he was arguably the best dman available that can help not only the younger dmen but our overall offense and power play which in turn helps 98.

Free agency hasnt even started yet, the draft hasnt happened yet, offer sheets not allowed yet..we arent done, Bedard will get help as KD has tons of assets to move to do so...

I guess after all the dust settled last night this is only spot of copium to be had. I wanted that pick if traded to be for a young veteran winger to play with Bedard. Draft hasnt happened and Free agency hasnt started. KD has to make more moves. If Robertson is offer sheeted and signed then all can be forgiven.

 

[Hawkaholic]

They kept forcing Vlasic into roles he can't handle and they pretty much got everything wrong at the blueline last year. No one can project a top pair type out of the group.

So when you permanently remove pp1 and prime OZ starts from these blue chip parts of the rebuild, my question stands.

There are 2 parts, what has gone on and what is going to happen. Byrum makes everything work better immediately but my god did KD waste a lot of time and assets to make this massive course correction.

Probably because their draft picks are still developing, and its better to force someone like Vlasic into that role, than the other young guys?

 

[Backyard Hockey]

Did any of you guys watch the CHGO podcast last night? I don't get Jay Zawaski.

For months he has been saying that this off season is make or break for Davidson. That he needs to upgrade the roster. That this team can't go into next season with an all young Defense. Saying things like KD has never landed a big fish. That he offered Guentzel a contract but he choose Tampa.

There were 3 D available this off season that the whole league knew about. Nemec, Raddysh and Byram. KD trades for Byram and Zawaski goes ballistic. His head was red. How can he get that upset over a little overpay after demanding KD upgrade the roster at all costs?

it's not 'a little overpay' - it's the dynamics around it. Being forced to include Crevier (the only D on this team with a shot) and take on the $4M cap dump of a plug like Greenway, but more importantly, the contract situation. As we all know, Byram is a UFA after this year. He and his agent have the Hawks by the short hairs so the Hawks will likely be paying him as the top D man in the league when it's not proven that he can TRULY be the #1D on a team. That's the issue.

Once I saw 'trading for Byram', I was like, 'ok, this is great', but....like anything, it all comes down to the cost.

 

[Paul Allen]

The takes in this thread will be hilarious to look at next spring.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

I guess the anger can be summed up by the 4th overall pick simply being overvalued. Which I can understand, but it’s a new NHL with an exploding cap. It’s clear the fans value this pick way more than those around the NHL. Seems we’ll have to recalibrate what these players are going to cost moving forward.

 

[statswatcher]

He and his agent have the Hawks by the short hairs so the Hawks will likely be paying him as the top D man in the league when it's not proven that he can TRULY be the #1D on a team. That's the issue.

ah, but you see, i personally believe he will be a 1D, so there is actually no issue at all. the only reason you think there is an issue because you are overvaluing the notoriously awful 4th overall draft pick.

 

[hockeydoug]

delete

 

[Hawkaholic]

And abruptly shifting gears on them.

How many years does this add to seeing what they have now that all 3 of the high ones are locked out of most of the best offensive shifts? I'm totally on board with vet 20 minute dman and another NHL center, after getting a linemate for Bedard, but never did I once suggest to replace them for the foreseeable future on the best offensive zone starts.

I dont see this as shifting gears on them at all. It's getting them help so they dont have to be in high pressure situations while they are still very raw. No reason we can't have multiple high level Dmen on this team. I dont think it adds any years at all.

 

[hockeydoug]

Probably because their draft picks are still developing, and its better to force someone like Vlasic into that role, than the other young guys?

Uh, they started the year with Rinzel on the first pair and gave Lev way too much to handle. They just locked out Rinzel and Lev from most of the best offensive shifts and pp1 time for the foreseeable future.

That means the last couple years was a lot of wasted time, which goes back to the question, "given what they spent and committed to, what were they doing with this blueline the last 4 1/2 years".

 

[Hawkaholic]

ah, but you see, i personally believe he will be a 1D, so there is actually no issue at all. the only reason you think there is an issue because you are overvaluing the notoriously awful 4th overall draft pick.

No one said this

 

[statswatcher]

No one said this

well you in particular didn't say anything of substance at all when i asked, so you can't accuse me of misquoting you.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Uh, they started the year with Rinzel on the first pair and gave Lev way too much to handle. They just locked out Rinzel and Lev from most of the best offensive shifts and pp1 time for the foreseeable future.

That means the last couple years was a lot of wasted time, which goes back to the question, "given what they spent and committed to, what were they doing with this blueline the last 4 1/2 years".

Drafting and developing them. They started with them in that position and realized it was too much for them so they backed off. They didn't lock them out of anything, one of them could easily start beside Byram to start the year, or at some point throughout the year and into the future.

 

[Paul Allen]

it's not 'a little overpay' - it's the dynamics around it. Being forced to include Crevier (the only D on this team with a shot) and take on the $4M cap dump of a plug like Greenway, but more importantly, the contract situation. As we all know, Byram is a UFA after this year. He and his agent have the Hawks by the short hairs so the Hawks will likely be paying him as the top D man in the league when it's not proven that he can TRULY be the #1D on a team. That's the issue.

Once I saw 'trading for Byram', I was like, 'ok, this is great', but....like anything, it all comes down to the cost.

I highly doubt KD would make this trade without an extension already in place.

Crevier has a hard shot, but takes forever to get it off and was never going to be a ppqb.

This isn’t the NFL where 1st rd picks are expected to jump into a starting role and be impact players from the get go. The lack of patience on this board with Lev and Rinzel, and Vlasic ‘regressing’ because he’s taking a 1D role when he’s not a 1D is exactly why this is a great and necessary trade. Again, the only roster player traded was 7th rd castoff Crevier.