Confirmed with Link: Hawks aquire Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway for 4th overall, 45th overall, and Crevier

[Kevin Musto]

How do we end up with another defenseman when this team is starving offensively.

The team is starving for offense because literally no offense is being generated from the point

He just turned 25 and doesn’t match the contention window ideally

So the contention window isn't within the next decade??

lol

There’s D available at 4 that could easily match Byram career wise,

And you want to spend the next 5 years waiting to see if that maybe happens?

Hawks could have a Cup by the time those kids amount to anything

we still don’t know if Sternberg will drop

He's literally not getting past Vancouver

He probably goes to SJ, but if he doesn't it's already confirmed that's who Vancouver wants

 

[MTU34]

How is it that this move inspires confidence? Anyone can make a trade if you just step up and offer the moon and the stars for a guy not worth that. Of course they would accept.

Confidence is inspired by making good value moves that also improve the roster. Not paying through the nose just to make sure you don’t have FOMO.

Bingo. Part of the timing on getting aggressive should’ve been taking advantage of market opportunities.

Trading a top 5 pick for a guy that was worth Casey Mittelstadt 2.5 years ago is buying at peak value

 

[ndgt10]

My major issue with it is how is an extension not already announced?

 

[Hawkaholic]

Noah Dobson is a better player than Byram. What’d he go for?

lol. no he's not

 

[MTU34]

lol. no he's not

What exactly has Byram done in his NHL career to be considered a vastly superior player to Dobson?

 

[MTU34]

My major issue with it is how is an extension not already announced?

He’s not eligible to sign anything until July 1st

 

[Dead Meat]

It happened, get over it. Byram is better than anyone or thing traded in that deal.

You're only saying this today because it takes years for a defenseman to mature - super bold take bro

 

[Hawkaholic]

What exactly has Byram done in his NHL career to be considered a vastly superior player to Dobson?

Did someone say vastly superior?

Dobson went for the #16 and #17 pick and a pretty decent prospect that scored 22 goals this year, btw.

 

[Kevin Musto]

My major issue with it is how is an extension not already announced?

Kyle is prepping the Bedard + Byram press conference

 

[statswatcher]

With more PP time and more ice time, hard to believe that wont happen.

why? what makes it easier to believe he plays better in harder minutes with worse teammates? i can understand feeling you have reason to believe he can succeed. i can't understand this blanket pronouncement that he is basically fated to.

 

[Kurtosis]

You're only saying this today because it takes years for a defenseman to mature - super bold take bro

It’s not like Byram is in his 30’s though. He’s still young.

I wish people would embrace your take on defensemen though. Would have to deal with a shit ton less whining about KK, Lev, and Rinzel.

 

[Castle8130]

A couple more things;

The Hawks made this trade without an extension in place. This means that Bowen Byram's agent now has all the leverage in the world for negotiations. He can point to the trade capital to get him and say "Hey, we know you view Byram as a 1D, so we want to get paid like a 1D. We want a 14 mil x 8 deal". They can also say Byram wants to feel out the team this season as the PP1 guy to increase his value and leave through free agency if he doesn't like the outlook of the future.

The funny thing is, KD basically has to agree to an extension or he will be getting canned. You cannot trade those significant assets for a 1 year rental

 

[statswatcher]

How is it that this move inspires confidence?

your answer is that it inspires confidence in musto, i.e. the deranged.

 

[Hawkaholic]

why? what makes it easier to believe he plays better in harder minutes with worse teammates? i can understand feeling you have reason to believe he can succeed. i can't understand this blanket pronouncement that he is basically fated to.

Probably because he is a great 5 on 5 player. He will be getting more 5 on 5 time, and far more PP time than he was in Buffalo.

 

[jls24]

This trade makes sense to me. You get a defenseman that you hope the #4 pick turns into that is already seasoned and fits our time line better. He can step in and lead our young defense while they continue to develop.

I think the other pieces are mostly inconsequential.

This is a weird draft where there's not a huge difference mid first and early 2nd. There's also the possibility of some huge fallers that you could package our 2nds and jump up if need be. I don't know, I like this draft better than most and I'm fine trading the picks.

 

[statswatcher]

Probably because he is a great 5 on 5 player. He will be getting more 5 on 5 time, and far more PP time than he was in Buffalo.

the question was why will he do better, and you answered he will because he's great. you aren't saying anything at all.

 

[Hawkaholic]

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[ClydeLee]

There's a bit of contrast

why? what makes it easier to believe he plays better in harder minutes with worse teammates? i can understand feeling you have reason to believe he can succeed. i can't understand this blanket pronouncement that he is basically fated to.

He has has hard minutes, he will likely get less hard minutes. Hes always had to PK more than teammates like Dahlinmatches. He PKed for the Avs a decent amount too. If it's Byram, Vlasic, and Kaiser at LD... Byram should PK less than those both and now get more PP. He was carrying Owen Power as a younger partner developing already experiencing that.

Vlasic is now in a great position with a LD above him to be the hard matched 2nd pair LD. So Byram isnt likely taking harder matchups.

I think there needs to be a situation of hating the player add vs hating the trade value/contract worry.

 

[Chuck Testa]

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[SpeedyPotato]

lol. no he's not

lol yes he is and it ain’t even close.

 

[Hawkaholic]

the question was why will he do better, and you answered he will because he's great. you aren't saying anything at all.

I just think he's a damn good player with a great toolbox. Young Dmen who have performed well typically get better with age, and I dont see any reason why Byram can't as well. I dont have all the answers as to why he will better, just a belief I have because I like him as a player. Is that ok or do I need to lay out stats and break down every aspect of his game to satisfy you?

 

[Hawkaholic]

lol yes he is and it ain’t even close.

Sure, must be Dobsons 1 point in 13playoff games that made you come to that conclusion.

 

[Cashman]

You're only saying this today because it takes years for a defenseman to mature - super bold take bro

Bedard is this rebuild. We don't have another 5yrs for this #4 pick to maturate. I am good with the trade. The only problem I will have is if they do not sign an extension. I couldn't imagine KD would make the trade without that.

 

[Hawkaholic]

For the record, I still hate the price it took to acquire Byram. They paid way too much for a guy coming here without an extension, and it wasn't the right time to make this move. I still really like him as a player though.

 

[statswatcher]

I just think he's a damn good player with a great toolbox. Young Dmen who have performed well typically get better with age, and I dont see any reason why Byram can't as well. I dont have all the answers as to why he will better, just a belief I have because I like him as a player. Is that ok or do I need to lay out stats and break down every aspect of his game to satisfy you?

yes, you have my permission to like the player if that's what you were looking for. there is no burden of proof involved with saying that you like a guy's game. that's very different from responding to someone else questioning the value of the trade for him by saying it's unbelievable that he doesn't emerge as a legitimate top defender.