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Shady67 said:
Uhh??
so Canada in a WC final matchup with NA - where half of NA are fellow Canadians - would play with that same quintessential Canadian I'd-give-my-left-nut-to-win passion that we see in Olympic gold medal games vs the US or Russia??!! :ooo-k then:shakehead
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Maybe wait and see? So many predictions have been made about this tournament, and like 9 out of 10 of them have been wrong.

Look at the NHL playoffs. Canadians kill other Canadians all the time, then suit up as teammates for international games. Crosby and Thornton just played against each other for the Cup. Or teammates from different countries on NHL teams will go head to head as rivals in tournaments. Why would that change if Canada meets NA? Something tells me Mike Babcock isn't going to care, and won't let his team care, if there are fellow Canadians on Team NA if they meet. That's just a guess though.
 
Hutton said:
even if you hate the World Cup, watch Team NA
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Absolutely!!
Of all the teams these guys look to be playing with the most passion . And then throw in the incredible skill and speed at which they are playing and it's definitely worth tuning in for. They got a little unlucky tonight
 
DanZ said:
I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.
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I'm skipping the enjoyability debate altogether because I enjoy it and find the concept of enjoyment extremely subjective.

World Cup of Hockey will not continue with the gimmick teams because of your very good statistic. There's a greater market reach in nationalism than in the marketing of pure hockey.
 
I have a feeling that non-casual Canadians, and people on this site would rather root for Team NA over Team Canada if both are in the finals

For the Americans, if the US somehow miraculously made it, it'd be different as they would be underdogs
 
It's been amazing hockey, I don't really care about the "prestige factor" of the winner, the "gimmick teams" or any of that ****. This has been amazing to watch - USA's loss to Europe was lame, but I found myself rooting for Euro players in the game because A) again, I don't give a **** about the pretige B) more Wings on team Euro than USA C) **** Torts and USA hockey management.

I give it a perfect 5/7, watched about 80% of the tourney/prelims.
 
kabidjan18 said:
I'm skipping the enjoyability debate altogether because I enjoy it and find the concept of enjoyment extremely subjective.

World Cup of Hockey will not continue with the gimmick teams because of your very good statistic. There's a greater market reach in nationalism than in the marketing of pure hockey.
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Logically speaking, "enjoyability" is no more subjective a concept than nationalism--but I'm not about to break out the Peter Singer in another hockey thread.
 
kabidjan18 said:
I'm skipping the enjoyability debate altogether because I enjoy it and find the concept of enjoyment extremely subjective.

World Cup of Hockey will not continue with the gimmick teams because of your very good statistic. There's a greater market reach in nationalism than in the marketing of pure hockey.
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Then why is Brexit such a big deal?

They just returned to nationalism.

Is because the world is globalizing.

The NHL is being innovative.

Euro dollar and all that.

Euro nations that have players representing their nation can take take pride in those players that are making a contribution to that team.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Maybe wait and see? So many predictions have been made about this tournament, and like 9 out of 10 of them have been wrong.

Look at the NHL playoffs. Canadians kill other Canadians all the time, then suit up as teammates for international games. Crosby and Thornton just played against each other for the Cup. Or teammates from different countries on NHL teams will go head to head as rivals in tournaments. Why would that change if Canada meets NA? Something tells me Mike Babcock isn't going to care, and won't let his team care, if there are fellow Canadians on Team NA if they meet. That's just a guess though.
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True!! Lol.....but they are killing each other because every single one of them want that freeking Cup so badly!!! Certainly can't compare winning a WC to the Stanley Cup
 
That Team NA - Russia game was amazing. I don't care about the critiques anymore. I'm into it.
 
I wasn't into the gimmicky continental teams, but watching the NA games against Finland and especially tonight's against Russia made me a believer.

Does it feel as big as the Olympics? No, it doesn't.

Does the on-ice product seem as entertaining? Yes, it certainly does.
 
TLeafsFan said:
Then why is Brexit such a big deal?

They just returned to nationalism.

Is because the world is globalizing.

The NHL is being innovative.

Euro dollar and all that.

Euro nations that have players representing their nation can take take pride in those players that are making a contribution to that team.
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@syz In a vacuum yes but practically speaking no. Nationalism has been regulated and defined in our world. Enjoyment not at all, so yes, Nation states are subjective social structures but practically speaking no they are not comparable or economically interchangeable here.

The World is globalizing along strict national lines. You seem a little late (and I mean a few decades late) to the geopolitical trends. Denationalization of Europe was the scattered talk years ago. The Euro (which is not a dollar like the Canadian dollar) has seen a downward trend (though stabilizing if we're going something like week to week) and the EU in general is at a fairly precipitous point. Modern globalization is about creating partnerships like BRICS (google it), not the elimination of individual nation states for a more unified power. The concept of Nation states is not being replaced, rather transnational cooperation is being expanded through advances in travel, infrastructure, and communication technology.
 
kabidjan18 said:
@syz In a vacuum yes but practically speaking no. Nationalism has been regulated and defined in our world. Enjoyment not at all, so yes, Nation states are subjective social structures but practically speaking no they are not comparable or economically interchangeable here.

The World is globalizing along strict national lines. You seem a little late (and I mean a few decades late) to the geopolitical trends. Denationalization of Europe was the scattered talk years ago. The Euro (which is not a dollar like the Canadian dollar) has seen a downward trend (though stabilizing if we're going something like week to week) and the EU in general is at a fairly precipitous point. Modern globalization is about creating partnerships like BRICS (google it), not the elimination of individual nation states for a more unified power. The concept of Nation states is not being replaced, rather transnational cooperation is being expanded through advances in travel, infrastructure, and communication technology.
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I'm not talking about losing identity though.

I'm talking about multiple nations merely coming together and cheering for a common cause.

It makes for a better world. :)
 
Hutton said:
After watching some of the games I've done a complete 180.

Initially I viewed the World Cup reincarnation as a money-grab All-Star esque tournament but that's not the case anymore as games with Europe and NA U23 have been fantastic.

Team USA's roster decisions is a downer but that's it.



Also, does anyone know what kind of monetary incentives the players are getting for cutting their summer break?
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No. Once again, I fell asleep watching Russia vs. North America. Not because it was bad hockey, but because I didn't care.
 
TLeafsFan said:
I'm not talking about losing identity though.

I'm talking about multiple nations merely coming together and cheering for a common cause.

It makes for a better world. :)
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Wait so part of Europe but not all of Europe coming together to cheer team part of Europe on against other European teams is for a better world? :sarcasm:

No, in the sense that you are phrasing your argument it's legitimate and I've definitely noticed it actually with some of my European friends who are hockey nuts haha but I don't think that's the best way to roll in the big bucks.
 
kabidjan18 said:
Wait so part of Europe but not all of Europe coming together to cheer team part of Europe on against other European teams is for a better world? :sarcasm:

No, in the sense that you are phrasing your argument it's legitimate and I've definitely noticed it actually with some of my European friends who are hockey nuts haha but I don't think that's the best way to roll in the big bucks.
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They can when divided, they don't make up a hockey superpower, but united they do.
 
TLeafsFan said:
Because we all know professional sports organizations never hold World Cup events and they are always joke events never to be taken seriously.

You don't know what you're missing. Some of the best, most competitive, talent condensed, world class hockey you'll ever see in the modern era.

Your loss.
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This isn't the point at all. I had no problem with the previous Canada/World Cups. Just get rid of the gimmick teams for real national teams and most would be on board.
 
Ezekial said:
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Well, if you can't enjoy good hockey I don't know what to tell you.
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Like I've said before, good hockey isn't enough. For me to really enjoy, I need passion and pride. In a real international tournament, best-on-best or not, it doesn't matter, I only care about Team Canada. I want the players from the same country as me to win. National pride is the #1 reason of international competition. With the gimmick teams, it negates that reason. I feel no passion watching these games. In the event that Team NA is in the final against Team Canada, I don't see how I'm going to have the same excitement of winning against players who are of the same country as mine.
 
Canuck21t said:
Like I've said before, good hockey isn't enough. For me to really enjoy, I need passion and pride. In a real international tournament, best-on-best or not, it doesn't matter, I only care about Team Canada. I want the players from the same country as me to win. National pride is the #1 reason of international competition. With the gimmick teams, it negates that reason. I feel no passion watching these games. In the event that Team NA is in the final against Team Canada, I don't see how I'm going to have the same excitement of winning against players who are of the same country as mine.
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Team NA had enough passion to ignite the Russians.
 
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