Has your opinion of Jim Benning changed?

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Not really. He's bad and would have been fired by now if he / his scouts hadn't hit the jackpot with EP and Hughes.

 

[StevenB]

Id say thats accurate.

How would you weigh those 3 factors though?

would you rather have a GM thats great at Signings but awful at Drafting and Trades?

Perfect world, your GM is outstanding in all 3 of those facets but its not a perfect world.

Ideally you have a GM that’s open to criticism and let’s advisors/his assistant GM help him in the areas that he needs help in and teaches his strengths to those under him.

When your GM starts showing signs of stubbornness and refuses to learn/adapt that should be the first sign that he might need to be replaced.

Like you said, we’re not in a perfect world. Good GMs are hard to come by in the NHL where experience is usually valued over every other facet

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

So many things wrong with this post.
1) great drafting isn’t going to get the team anywhere if he can’t surround the elite talent with good complimentary players and depth. Our defence and depth looks awful because of Benning’s mismanagement of the cap.

2) his drafting really hasn’t been that great. He’s missed on half of his top 10 picks (Juolevi and Virtanen). Hoglander, Demko, and Gaudette are the only players drafted outside the 1st round who are currently NHL players (remember, this is 7 years of drafting, with a majority of bottom 10 finishes so higher picks involved).

3) even if his drafting is great, he bleeds draft picks and almost never accumulates them. He traded away five 2nd round picks for basically nothing (Vey, Baertschi, Gudbranson, 10 games of Toffoli).

I’ll defer to your judgement as the ‘Nucks fan.

I guess I’m just so used to exceptionally poor drafting outside the 1st round as an Avs fan that to even see a little bit of success is impressive lol.

I think the Pettersson and Hughes picks were home run selections, but I guess that only buys you so much leeway.

 

[Cupless44]

Tell me how the Canucks became a top 5 prospect pool if he was just missing picks? That logic is completely flawed.

They are not a top 5 prospect pool. Other than Podkolzin, there isnt much there.

Canucks played a game in Montreal on Tuesday night....in the press box, not even in the starting line up where Olli Juolevi (5th overall pick) and Jake Virtanen (6th overall pick)

That would be missing high draft picks.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Tell me how the Canucks became a top 5 prospect pool if he was just missing picks? That logic is completely flawed.

Do you have a recent source for that?

 

[nowhereman]

Not particularly. I don't subscribe to the HFCanucks hyperbole that he's the "worst GM of all time" and everything he's ever done has been a mistake but I do still feel that he's a below average GM whose mistakes outnumber his successes.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Do you have a recent source for that?

Hence the PAST tense. I didn't know this was much of an argument before Hughes, Demko and Hoglander came up during last year. They obviously are no longer anywhere close to top 5 but my point was Benning has generally drafted extremely well and that he'd be better off in a scouting dpt than GM.

 

[y2kcanucks]

My opinion has not changed. I wanted him fired 6 years ago and that remains today.

 

[RebuildinVan]

Tell me how the Canucks became a top 5 prospect pool if he was just missing picks? That logic is completely flawed.

What prospect pool? The only one not in the lineup is Podkolzin. We are this bad and an absolute trainwreck defensively with all the good young players in

 

[Connor McConnor]

What prospect pool? The only one not in the lineup is Podkolzin. We are this bad and an absolute trainwreck defensively with all the good young players in

Jesus all of you can't bother seeing what the context of the post was. I said you HAD one, you know before all these guys came to the NHL? CLEARLY YOU DONT ANYMORE.

 

[MS]

The thing with Benning is he's maybe the best scouting GM in the league but he's also terrible at negotiations lol. So he might be the reason the Canucks have one of the best foundations/prospect pools but he might also be the reason you lose 1-2 of them (likely Boeser is the casualty) because of his other bad decisions. I think he has too much pride to take a demotion to scouting/hockey ops but that's probably his ideal role.

Jim Benning is an absolute imbecile who couldn’t scout his way out of a paper bag, on either the pro or amateur front.

 

[lawrence]

He’s a good man a nice guy. Just no longer fit for the job anymore. He gets along with everyone In the media community over here. He’s not fit for a gm, but maybe at highest an assistant gm or a head of amateur scouting department.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Jim Benning is an absolute imbecile who couldn’t scout his way out of a paper bag, on either the pro or amateur front.

But he won a Cup as the AGM of the Bruins and he was focussed on scouting!
*Checks notes on Boston's draft results from 2007 - 2013*

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Hence the PAST tense. I didn't know this was much of an argument before Hughes, Demko and Hoglander came up during last year. They obviously are no longer anywhere close to top 5 but my point was Benning has generally drafted extremely well and that he'd be better off in a scouting dpt than GM.

Oh so a team with the 2nd worst record over a 3 year span, with 6 top 10 picks, drafted good players. Shocking.

 

[vanuck]

Ideally you have a GM that’s open to criticism and let’s advisors/his assistant GM help him in the areas that he needs help in and teaches his strengths to those under him.

When your GM starts showing signs of stubbornness and refuses to learn/adapt that should be the first sign that he might need to be replaced.

Like you said, we’re not in a perfect world. Good GMs are hard to come by in the NHL where experience is usually valued over every other facet

... which is exactly what we've seen from him.

 

[Kryten]

No, it has been evident the guys an idiot a month after his hiring in 2014

 

[eviohh26]

Yes. At one point I thought he was meh. Now i just think he is hot steaming dog shit.

 

[Son of Petter]

No, he revealed that he was completely unqualified for a GM job ages ago. Insane that somebody can be this bad at their job and still have their job. 7 years, SEVEN!!

 

[hellstick]

I still remember his press conference 7 years ago. He's a horrible speaker and doesn't convey any confidence when he speaks. So he's talking to the reporters and answering the questions and I just vividly remember sitting in my truck listening in and thinking, "This is the guy?"

Like, I hate passing judgement on someone for what the say or how they say it, but I thought that at the time. I decided to put those thoughts aside and judge him based on his performance instead, but it was such a stark difference from Benning's predecessor.

Well, it look like my gut instinct was right there. Haha.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

 

[Fatass]

Jim Benning is an absolute imbecile who couldn’t scout his way out of a paper bag, on either the pro or amateur front.

But he thinks he can, which is why he’s so awful.

 

[BWJM]

Yeah it's super hilarious he realized he screwed up and dumped all the trash.

I don't think anyone cares about the write-off 2020 season except for Tampa fans.

 

[Raistlin]

The epitome of a stooge.

 

[cgc83]

Benning is a mad man . Makes dubas seem half competent

 

[Chips]

Yeah it's super hilarious he realized he screwed up and dumped all the trash.

I don't think anyone is cares about the write-off 2020 season except for Tampa fans.

Pretty much most fans of every playoff team and almost-playoff team cared about the season, the whole “2020-21 doesn’t count” thing is just a sour excuse for what have you