Has your opinion of Jim Benning changed?

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Beezeral

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Not sure where you got the $20 million but judging from your posts in this thread I can guess where you pulled it out of. :laugh:
The only contract for the Canucks that will be impossible to move for the next two years after this one is the Eriksson one. Beagle is for another two years at $3 million per as well and Sutter is pretty easy to move this summer. After this summer that should leave $9 or $10 million in bad cap that comes off the books in two years when the young stars need their raises. While I know you don’t want to discuss Tallon’s terrible signing all three of those contracts added together are not near as bad as Bobrovsky. Only 6 more years left to go after this year though!
I’ve shown my math ITT. Feel free to read those posts. But I’m sure you’d rather keep trying to deflect and talk about Bobrovsky.
 
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Frankie Blueberries

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The team naturally bottomed out, after over a decade of really good hockey (the WCE,Sedin era 2001-2013) ....What we're you expecting?.. to continue an annual run of Presidents Trophies?...a playoff team within 3 years after Bennings hiring?

We've also been through this discussion before multiple times.

No one expected Benning to turn the ship around quickly. That being said, it doesn't help when you trade four 2nd round picks (33rd overall included) along with a handful of other draft picks for waiver-eligible busts like Vey, Larsen, Etem, etc. And then he traded away McCann and Kassian for garbage players as well. At a time when we needed to be accumulating futures, Benning instead decided to spend them on players that were ultimately useless. He tried to take a shortcut in rebuilding and it blew up in his face, setting back our rebuild further. He also spent to the cap on terrible players (Eriksson, Gagner, Del Zotto, Beagle, Schaller, etc.), when we could have used the cap space to acquire more picks (see 1st round pick with Marleau).

No ,the Canucks have not changed management like those other teams (Edmonton with 3 GM's in 5 years is not a demonstration of stability)..They stayed the course, and there's a very big possibility that patience pays off.

We're agreeing on this point then. You're the one that made the comparison to those teams. I said those teams are different because they have changed management. Now you're jut repeating what I said. Staying the course only works when you have competent people in charge. Although most teams will make the playoffs after a significant amount of time of sucking has passed, so it's not really a testament to old Jimbo.

Get over it buddy......the 2015-18 Canucks are history..If you want to perpetually whine about those 3 years at the bottom, dont let me get in the way

Lol, just because I care enough about the team to think critically about the moves they make doesn't make me any lesser of a fan. People like you are why crappy organizations stay crappy. Because you're complacent with whatever Benning does.

Furthermore...Our best d-man is Quinn Hughes ,so one of Edler/Tanev is not a top pairing D-man...Benning inherited a 'project' ( not a #1 goalie) in Markstrom,who developed into a really good goalie under Bennings regime...

I mean if you ignore the 5 previous seasons when Hughes wasn't on our roster, then you have a point. But we're talking about Benning's tenure here and the core he inherited vs. built. Everyone knew Markstrom was a project; who is to say if his development would have been any different under any other GM in Vancouver. He still was here before Benning which is ultimately the point we were discussing. Man, you're grasping at straws here.
 
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I’ve shown my math ITT. Feel free to read those posts. But I’m sure you’d rather keep trying to deflect and talk about Bobrovsky.

I'm sorry, certain posters from our fanbase can be very insecure and sensitive. Many posters have a hard time coping with posts that contain valid criticisms of management so they resort to off-topic jabs. It's immature and embarrassing.
 

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We've also been through this discussion before multiple times.

No one expected Benning to turn the ship around quickly. That being said, it doesn't help when you trade four 2nd round picks (33rd overall included) along with a handful of other draft picks for waiver-eligible busts like Vey, Larsen, Etem, etc. And then he traded away McCann and Kassian for garbage players as well. At a time when we needed to be accumulating futures, Benning instead decided to spend them on players that were ultimately useless. He tried to take a shortcut in rebuilding and it blew up in his face, setting back our rebuild further. He also spent to the cap on terrible players (Eriksson, Gagner, Del Zotto, Beagle, Schaller, etc.), when we could have used the cap space to acquire more picks (see 1st round pick with Marleau).



We're agreeing on this point then. You're the one that made the comparison to those teams. I said those teams are different because they have changed management. Now you're jut repeating what I said. Staying the course only works when you have competent people in charge. Although most teams will make the playoffs after a significant amount of time of sucking has passed, so it's not really a testament to old Jimbo.



Lol, just because I care enough about the team to think critically about the moves they make doesn't make me any lesser of a fan. People like you are why crappy organizations stay crappy. Because you're complacent with whatever Benning does.



I mean if you ignore the 5 previous seasons when Hughes wasn't on our roster, then you have a point. But we're talking about Benning's tenure here and the core he inherited vs. built. Everyone knew Markstrom was a project; who is to say if his development would have been any different under any other GM in Vancouver. He still was here before Benning which is ultimately the point we were discussing. Man, you're grasping at straws here.

Grasping at straws.?...lol..Okey Dokey. (I'm not the one here with the axe to grind..you are),...I don't really have the desire or time to go round in circles with you...I'm just going to enjoy the promising team we have..and you can keep doing whatever it is your doing..Cheers...PoM
 

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I’ve shown my math ITT. Feel free to read those posts. But I’m sure you’d rather keep trying to deflect and talk about Bobrovsky.
Actually I read all of your posts. You haven’t shown your math:
1. You said they are on pace for 90 points. It’s 97 points. Which is not far off where the Panthers are currently, not three years ago which you incorrectly stated.
2. You said they had $20 million in bad contracts but didn’t show your math. There are three bad contracts. One of which is Sutter and is not even that bad and can likely be moved in the summer. That doesn’t come close to $20 million. It’s about $9 million plus the Luongo recapture. The Eriksson and Beagle contracts I’ve conceded can’t be moved without a cost and will likely eat up cap for two more years.
Having bad contracts definitely handicaps the team for the next two years after this year and is not a good thing but they are currently in the same shape as the Panthers and should be able to count on their young stars continuing to grow. When the stars need their raises the bad contracts will be off the books as will most of the recapture penalty.
Challenging? Sure.
There! And I didn’t mention you know who once.
 
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Grasping at straws.?...lol..Okey Dokey. (I'm not the one here with the axe to grind..you are),...I don't really have the desire or time to go round in circles with you...I'm just going to enjoy the promising team we have..and you can keep doing whatever it is your doing..Cheers...PoM

See you in the Canucks forum tomorrow bb
 

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We've also been through this discussion before multiple times.

No one expected Benning to turn the ship around quickly. That being said, it doesn't help when you trade four 2nd round picks (33rd overall included) along with a handful of other draft picks for waiver-eligible busts like Vey, Larsen, Etem, etc. And then he traded away McCann and Kassian for garbage players as well. At a time when we needed to be accumulating futures, Benning instead decided to spend them on players that were ultimately useless. He tried to take a shortcut in rebuilding and it blew up in his face, setting back our rebuild further. He also spent to the cap on terrible players (Eriksson, Gagner, Del Zotto, Beagle, Schaller, etc.), when we could have used the cap space to acquire more picks (see 1st round pick with Marleau).



We're agreeing on this point then. You're the one that made the comparison to those teams. I said those teams are different because they have changed management. Now you're jut repeating what I said. Staying the course only works when you have competent people in charge. Although most teams will make the playoffs after a significant amount of time of sucking has passed, so it's not really a testament to old Jimbo.



Lol, just because I care enough about the team to think critically about the moves they make doesn't make me any lesser of a fan. People like you are why crappy organizations stay crappy. Because you're complacent with whatever Benning does.



I mean if you ignore the 5 previous seasons when Hughes wasn't on our roster, then you have a point. But we're talking about Benning's tenure here and the core he inherited vs. built. Everyone knew Markstrom was a project; who is to say if his development would have been any different under any other GM in Vancouver. He still was here before Benning which is ultimately the point we were discussing. Man, you're grasping at straws here.
Let's be fair it's very hard to replace superstars like the sedins and you don't trade legends who got drafted with the organization unless they wanted to.

We tried retooling till 2016 before officially rebuilding. Benning each season has meant expectations. The reasoning and timing of his signings made sense. His trades for vey, and all those busts. Did in fact make sense at the time. Try to get nhl ready players around 21 instead of hoping a 18year becomes nhl ready.


His logic in interviews seem spot on. Compared to Gillis, bruke, nonis I all disagreed with quite often.

Injuries to have us extremely worst. Unlucky draft lottery luck to.

Someone said good at draft decent at trades. Bad at signings. I would agree so far at those points although I believe he has learnt from his mistakes.


What would be interesting for me would be if some Boston fans could tell me did you guys rebuild when Benning was agm? How does it compare?
 

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No need to apologize. A couple of your posts weren’t that immature or embarrassing.

Eh I'm not getting defensive over every single critical post of this management that people make (and there are a lot of fair points to take issue with), and then attacking other fanbases because they posted valid issues. You're projecting.
 
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Sometimes you have to be lucky as well. Look at 2017.

Jim Benning wanted Glass, not Pettersson. Scouts advised against it and eventually Benning listened.
 

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Sometimes you have to be lucky as well. Look at 2017.

Jim Benning wanted Glass, not Pettersson. Scouts advised against it and eventually Benning listened.
Is there any proof of this or is it just speculation?

Even if that is the case it shows that Benning is willing to listen to his staff and takes their input seriously when making key decisions.

Benning has also been a much better GM the last couple of seasons since Linden left as President of Hockey Opps. Most of Benning’s worst moves came when he actually didn’t have the final say in hockey decisions. I have no idea if how involved Linden was in some of those early moves (both good and terrible) but it’s just interesting that Benning seems to have improved a lot since Linden has left
 
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When he was hired he was told to keep winning and make the playoffs. He did. When there was a goalie controversy, he waited a bit too long but managed to get quality pieces back that are still contributing where as the former goalies are not. When the Sedins refused to leave, he let them play it out gracefully. When he was finally allowed to build from the draft, he crushed it with Pettersson and Hughes.

I always thought Benning did a good job, based on what his mandate form ownership was.
 

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It’s hard to crap on him now since he’s rebuilt our prospect pool and drafted us a top line center and a #1 D man, that’s a very hard thing to do. I like the team he has built, I no longer want him gone.
 

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I don’t believe that’s true
I am not even saying it is a bad thing. The scouts know the most. A good GM knows when to listen.

Look at Chiarelli in Edmonton. Idiot was told do not trade Strome for Spooner and he balked and said he knew Spooner better than anybody lol. Idiot listened to Mac T or Green and traded for Reinhart.
 

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Sometimes you have to be lucky as well. Look at 2017.

Jim Benning wanted Glass, not Pettersson. Scouts advised against it and eventually Benning listened.

There is no evidence of this whatsoever. When I've asked for proof this before all I've received was a vague response from the poster who also claimed this citing a "very respected poster who wishes to remain anonymous." Until I see some proof of this it's complete and utter bullshit.
 
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I am not even saying it is a bad thing. The scouts know the most. A good GM knows when to listen.

Look at Chiarelli in Edmonton. Idiot was told do not trade Strome for Spooner and he balked and said he knew Spooner better than anybody lol. Idiot listened to Mac T or Green and traded for Reinhart.

your speculating that Benning wanted Glass over Pettersson and there’s no truth to that, look at how excited Benning was when he drafted Pettersson, I think that shows your speculation is completely false.
 
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Actually I read all of your posts. You haven’t shown your math:
1. You said they are on pace for 90 points. It’s 97 points. Which is not far off where the Panthers are currently, not three years ago which you incorrectly stated.
2. You said they had $20 million in bad contracts but didn’t show your math. There are three bad contracts. One of which is Sutter and is not even that bad and can likely be moved in the summer. That doesn’t come close to $20 million. It’s about $9 million plus the Luongo recapture. The Eriksson and Beagle contracts I’ve conceded can’t be moved without a cost and will likely eat up cap for two more years.
Having bad contracts definitely handicaps the team for the next two years after this year and is not a good thing but they are currently in the same shape as the Panthers and should be able to count on their young stars continuing to grow. When the stars need their raises the bad contracts will be off the books as will most of the recapture penalty.
Challenging? Sure.
There! And I didn’t mention you know who once.
You said you read my posts then you mention Sutter who I haven't mentioned once ITT, and not some of the other players I've mentioned. Weird. Almost like you made up your mind about the content of my posts before reading them and went into full defense/deflection mode.
 

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Eh I'm not getting defensive over every single critical post of this management that people make (and there are a lot of fair points to take issue with), and then attacking other fanbases because they posted valid issues. You're projecting.
Yup, reading about Bobrovsky in a thread about Jim Benning is a classic tactic. Move the goal posts.
 

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Sometimes you have to be lucky as well. Look at 2017.

Jim Benning wanted Glass, not Pettersson. Scouts advised against it and eventually Benning listened.
Lol! Good old lucky Jim. The only guy to drop in every single draft lottery.
I’ve heard that he wanted Tkachuk over Juolevi and Nylander over Virtanen and was going to pick Pastrnak as well. But ownership overruled him.
Source: same as yours. None.
Facts: He drafted Virtanen, EP, Hughes, Boeser, McCann, Juolevi with first round picks. Ended up with a franchise center and D and a top line winger and a player trending to 25 goals and 25 assists.
The rest is unsupported speculation and fantasy.
Judge GMs on what they did. Not some imaginary scenario.
 
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Sometimes you have to be lucky as well. Look at 2017.

Jim Benning wanted Glass, not Pettersson. Scouts advised against it and eventually Benning listened.
That didn't happen.

Have we really resorted to making things up to try and further discredit Jim Benning (not that that hasn't been going on here for years)?
 
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