Has your opinion of Jim Benning changed?

[FreeMcdavid]

How do the Canucks plan to retain all that great young talent with no cap space? This is what you keep papering over. The cap management has been so bad that you have a team with a 90ish point ceiling and the cap problems of a Stanley cup contender. There just isn’t a good argument as to why the gm who is responsible for this should be getting a pat on the back.

Seems like a lot of panicking over numbers that arent even set in stone yet aka Cap.

For instance Eriksson is due for a bonus on July 1st..after that he is only litterally owed 5 million dollors of real money.

Ray Ferraro was on record saying that if the Canucks put Eriksson in the AHL next year there's no way Eriksson is going to report to Utica and ride the busses for 5 mil. He has made well over 50 in his career. Ferraro also expressed that Eriksson has major passion for the restaurant business in which Louis owns serveral in Europe.

If Eriksson moves on, then thats 6 mil per year cleared.

We dont know .

Also from a previous post you wrote, i do happen to think Tyler Myers at 6 mil for 4 more years is NOT a bad contract at all. Been very satisfied with him in our top 4.

Lots can happen, trades, expansion etc....

 

[4Twenty]

I haven't watched the Gadjovich video so I'm reserve comment until I see it. Sure, plenty of GM's transition from other roles however Benning has specifically expressed a love of amateur scouting, has an extensive background in scouting and has taken documented scouting trips during the regular reason on numerous occasions. Each GM is different, you seem to be generalizing the role of GM's based on specific GM backgrounds or comments. In Benning's case it seems reasonable given his background, regular season trips and comments that he is more focused on scouting than a GM like Nill.

I think pro-scouting depends just as much on others as scouting does, even if there are fewer staff involved. I haven't seen as many videos on trades or RFA contracts but I suspect it's the same. Benning is part of the process that determines that draft list, which is unique (as it is for every team). You are welcome to feel that way about each GM, but personally I think you are overemphasizing the GM's role in some areas and undermining it in others...and if you do agree with Nill's comment then the issue isn't Benning per se, it's merely the staff involved in the areas where this regime has not done well (ie UFA contracts).

So was Jim Nill, they've got almost identical resumes. That's my point. A GM's job isn't to scout. But they go on trips.

I don't think pro scouting is the same.

Anyways, at least you know where I'm coming from, I'm not attempting to minimize. I think it's a bit much to be blaming player personnel staff for UFA contracts though. Obviously there is collaboration, but Jim is a self admitted no nonsense negotiator. He pays the prices he feels are reasonable to secure the players he really wants.

 

[nowhereman]

How funny lol.

Some are definitely giving more lol credit lol than Benning deserves.

Witty. Oh, so witty.

There's a difference between being critical of management and what we see on HFBoards Canucks. There's a reason that forum has such a horrible reputation and it doesn't have to do with their measured, analytical, fact-based approach or willingness to admit their misjudgements.

 

[Jimbo57]

Lets see

Within about 5 years his team went from having a garbage prospect pool, arguably bottom 5 in the league, along with a bunch of hard to trade vets on the downhill to currently fighting for first in their division with a very respectable young core bolstered by pretty good prospect pool.

Mistakes have been made along the way - just like in the vast majority of orgs that have had to build up from ashes - yet there is a sub group of supposed Canuck fans who think the man is the biggest moron in the league.

Have a read through this thread, smell the reek of hfboard canucks, and see why the Canucks have one of the ugliest elements in their fan base of any team.

There are guys still cheering for losses while hoping the Canucks' players do not succeed just so the man can get fired. Take what you see in this thread with a grain of salt.

 

[crowi]

Witty. Oh, so witty.

There's a difference between being critical of management and what we see on HFBoards Canucks. There's a reason that forum has such a horrible reputation and it doesn't have to do with their measured, analytical, fact-based approach or willingness to admit their misjudgements.

Can't lol without being witty? Sounds reasonable.

I'm not a canucks fan. I think they have a good young team with some very poor contracts. Benning got lucky with picks his drafting team provided. He has never tried to rebuild, he has been going for it every single year and failing.

 

[Mathew Barzal]

ITT: 99% Canucks fans.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Can't lol without being witty? Sounds reasonable.

I'm not a canucks fan. I think they have a good young team with some very poor contracts. Benning got lucky with picks his drafting team provided. He has never tried to rebuild, he has been going for it every single year and failing.

Lucky?
Full credit to you. That’s an original excuse at least. Every single year the team has dropped in the draft lottery but he’s still lucky?
Three straight rookie of the year finalists. Let’s hope the luck continues and we get a lucky fourth one next year.

 

[Drew Doubty]

ITT: 99% Canucks fans.

ITT 90% 50 Sheas of Grey

 

[Numba9]

Can't lol without being witty? Sounds reasonable.

I'm not a canucks fan. I think they have a good young team with some very poor contracts. Benning got lucky with picks his drafting team provided. He has never tried to rebuild, he has been going for it every single year and failing.

Lol, so if he followed the HFB rebuilding standards he wouldn't be "lucky"?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

'But da prospects' is a really bad argument according to the anti-Bennnings...Ever since Benning has drafted Boeser,Pettersson,and Hughes in consecutive order..this has become a real sore spot with the anti-Bennings (they can frequently be spotted crowing about how the Director Of Scouting made all the good picks, and Dim Jim picked all the bad ones).

"But da rezultz'....is anther really bad argument according to the anti-Bennings..Ever since the Canucks have had an uptick in play and results, this all all because of a series of' flukes', like great goaltending, and a poor division...the actual team improvement is rarely spoken

Good drafting....Good young core...showing good results...Who could ask for more?

 

[Beezeral]

Seems like a lot of panicking over numbers that arent even set in stone yet aka Cap.

For instance Eriksson is due for a bonus on July 1st..after that he is only litterally owed 5 million dollors of real money.

Ray Ferraro was on record saying that if the Canucks put Eriksson in the AHL next year there's no way Eriksson is going to report to Utica and ride the busses for 5 mil. He has made well over 50 in his career. Ferraro also expressed that Eriksson has major passion for the restaurant business in which Louis owns serveral in Europe.

If Eriksson moves on, then thats 6 mil per year cleared.

We dont know .

Also from a previous post you wrote, i do happen to think Tyler Myers at 6 mil for 4 more years is NOT a bad contract at all. Been very satisfied with him in our top 4.

Lots can happen, trades, expansion etc....

I can’t believe this is a real post. Thinking Erickson is going to walk away and clear 6 million in cap space to go run a restaurant. Reminds me when Canucks fans had all these crazy ideas to get rid of luongos cap hit before the panthers took him back.

 

[canuckslover10]

Anyone stressing over our cap don't realize we aren't in any trouble at all.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I can’t believe this is a real post. Thinking Erickson is going to walk away and clear 6 million in cap space to go run a restaurant. Reminds me when Canucks fans had all these crazy ideas to get rid of luongos cap hit before the panthers took him back.

Reminds me when Panthers fans tried to spin the Bobrovsky contract as not being a problem in a few years. 7 years at $10 million per year for a sub .900 save percentage. Woof!
Eriksson at $6 million for two years after this one looks pretty manageable in comparison.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Anyone stressing over our cap don't realize we aren't in any trouble at all.

I’d agree if this is based on the presumption that Tanev walks as a UFA and Markstrom takes a sizeable discount.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

'But da prospects' is a really bad argument according to the anti-Bennnings...Ever since Benning has drafted Boeser,Pettersson,and Hughes in consecutive order..this has become a real sore spot with the anti-Bennings (they can frequently be spotted crowing about how the Director Of Scouting made all the good picks, and Dim Jim picked all the bad ones).

"But da rezultz'....is anther really bad argument according to the anti-Bennings..Ever since the Canucks have had an uptick in play and results, this all all because of a series of' flukes', like great goaltending, and a poor division...the actual team improvement is rarely spoken

Good drafting....Good young core...showing good results...Who could ask for more?

Juolevi was drafted between Boeser and Pettersson so the bolded is wrong.


You have also mischaracterized an opposing argument. What was said was that Benning is likely more responsible for influencing the 1st round selections and deferring to scouts for later round picks.

Benning critics can enjoy our young players and recent success but still criticize the process behind Benning’s decision making. The results don’t speak to how we got here (6 years of garbage hockey and poor asset management by Benning). I’ve already articulated this to you multiple times.

 

[Beezeral]

Reminds me when Panthers fans tried to spin the Bobrovsky contract as not being a problem in a few years. 7 years at $10 million per year for a sub .900 save percentage. Woof!
Eriksson at $6 million for two years after this one looks pretty manageable in comparison.

Didn’t realize this was a Panthers thread

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Juolevi was drafted between Boeser and Pettersson so the bolded is wrong.


You have also mischaracterized an opposing argument. What was said was that Benning is likely more responsible for influencing the 1st round selections and deferring to scouts for later round picks.

Benning critics can enjoy our young players and recent success but still criticize the process behind Benning’s decision making. The results don’t speak to how we got here (6 years of garbage hockey and poor asset management by Benning). I’ve already articulated this to you multiple times.

We made the playoffs in 2015 (a playoff year doesn't count as a garbage year)..,and this season has not been garbage hockey.. so thats 4 years of mediocre hockey...

Benning gave us a brand new core, and has righted the ship in a fairly short period (considering how barren our prospect pool was in 2014)

Maybe take a peek over the fence and see how long other teams have been spinning their wheels ..Arizona (7 years),Buffalo (8 years),Toronto (a ten year span),Florida etc

You can criticize Bennings decision making all you like (and there's certainly nothing wrong with that)..but in the end, its the 'rezultz' in the here and now that matter...

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

We made the playoffs in 2015 (a playoff year doesn't count as a garbage year)..,and this season has not been garbage hockey.. so thats 4 years of mediocre hockey...

Benning gave us a brand new core, and has righted the ship in a fairly short period (considering how barren our prospect pool was in 2014)

Maybe take a peek over the fence and see how long other teams have been spinning their wheels ..Arizona,Buffalo,Toronto (for almost 10 years),Florida etc

You can criticize Bennings decision making all you like (and there's certainly nothing wrong with that)..but in the end, its the 'rezultz' in the here and now that matter...

Mediocre means average. Having the worst record in the NHL over a 3 year period is not mediocre, stop being disingenuous. Not to mention 4 out of the 5 seasons ended in a bottom 10 finish.

Those other teams are bad examples because they have changed management multiple times, which Vancouver has not done. The current Toronto management has actually done an admirable job at rebuilding since Shanahan took over.

All I ask is that you stop spinning things that simply aren't true. People aren't hating on our young players and they're not sad that the team is doing well. This is simply untrue and to be frank, idiotic to suggest.

And let's not pretend Benning built this team from the ground up. Our #2 centre in Horvat, top pairing defencemen in Edler and Tanev, and our #1 starter in Markstrom were all here before Benning arrived.

 

[Crow]

To imagine what the Canucks board is like after reading this thread. Yikes.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Mediocre means average. Having the worst record in the NHL over a 3 year period is not mediocre, stop being disingenuous. Not to mention 4 out of the 5 seasons ended in a bottom 10 finish.

Those other teams are bad examples because they have changed management multiple times, which Vancouver has not done. The current Toronto management has actually done an admirable job at rebuilding since Shanahan took over.

All I ask is that you stop spinning things that simply aren't true. People aren't hating on our young players and they're not sad that the team is doing well. This is simply untrue and to be frank, idiotic to suggest.

Ok, call it what you like..it was lousy hockey then...3 years at the bottom of the league ..

The team naturally bottomed out, after over a decade of really good hockey (the WCE,Sedin era 2001-2013) ....What we're you expecting?.. to continue an annual run of Presidents Trophies?...a playoff team within 3 years after Bennings hiring?

No ,the Canucks have not changed management like those other teams (Edmonton with 3 GM's in 5 years is not a demonstration of stability)..They stayed the course, and there's a very big possibility that patience pays off.

Get over it buddy......the 2015-18 Canucks are history..If you want to perpetually whine about those 3 years at the bottom, dont let me get in the way

Furthermore...Our best d-man is Quinn Hughes ,so one of Edler/Tanev is not a top pairing D-man...Benning inherited a 'project' ( not a #1 goalie) in Markstrom,who developed into a really good goalie under Bennings regime...

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

To imagine what the Canucks board is like after reading this thread. Yikes.

It is crazy..Elliott Friedman and Brian Burke are bang-on....on their assessment of Canuck Nation.

16 pages and counting ...the Canucks management thread has spewed out into the main boards..

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Didn’t realize this was a Panthers thread

You’re the one who said the Canucks are where the Panthers were three years ago.
And there the mighty Panthers sit a few points above the Canucks with their own brutal contract to deal with. You raised it so expect to get called on that type of baloney when you do.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

To imagine what the Canucks board is like after reading this thread. Yikes.

It’s toxic. Fortunately we have one thread that the mods restrict most of it to but it always spills over.

 

[Beezeral]

You’re the one who said the Canucks are where the Panthers were three years ago.
And there the mighty Panthers sit a few points above the Canucks with their own brutal contract to deal with. You raised it so expect to get called on that type of baloney when you do.

If this were a thread discussing Dale Tallon’s job performance, Bob’s contract would be a negative in that category. But we are talking about Benning and his 20+ million in bad cap space

 

[WetcoastOrca]

If this were a thread discussing Dale Tallon’s job performance, Bob’s contract would be a negative in that category. But we are talking about Benning and his 20+ million in bad cap space

Not sure where you got the $20 million but judging from your posts in this thread I can guess where you pulled it out of.
The only contract for the Canucks that will be impossible to move for the next two years after this one is the Eriksson one. Beagle is for another two years at $3 million per as well and Sutter is pretty easy to move this summer. After this summer that should leave $9 or $10 million in bad cap that comes off the books in two years when the young stars need their raises. While I know you don’t want to discuss Tallon’s terrible signing all three of those contracts added together are not near as bad as Bobrovsky. Only 6 more years left to go after this year though!