Has your opinion of Jim Benning changed?

Frankie Blueberries

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Being critical of moves in a silo is shortsighted. If this team makes it out of the Pacific, which is not unreasonable, are you going to still hang onto poor moves from 5 years ago?

Benning is not judged on individual moves, he is judged on how his NHL team is doing, which is about as good as you could hope in year 6. Many teams have to rebuild their rebuild, I don’t think the Canucks will have to. Bennings tenure/rebuild has not been perfect, but has been very successful. We have the best young team we have ever had, as well as the deepest prospect pipeline we have had as well. I’ll take that over a few mid round picks.

We'll have to agree to disagree - I think the process and decision making along the way is very important in evaluating a GM. Results matter, but they're not the end-all-be-all. Case and point: Chiarelli helped the Edmonton Oilers make the playoffs once. Would you consider his tenure there a success?
 
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Being critical of moves in a silo is shortsighted. If this team makes it out of the Pacific, which is not unreasonable, are you going to still hang onto poor moves from 5 years ago?

Benning is not judged on individual moves, he is judged on how his NHL team is doing, which is about as good as you could hope in year 6. Many teams have to rebuild their rebuild, I don’t think the Canucks will have to. Bennings tenure/rebuild has not been perfect, but has been very successful. We have the best young team we have ever had, as well as the deepest prospect pipeline we have had as well. I’ll take that over a few mid round picks.
If they don't make the playoffs, what does that do to your argument?

How has it been successful? Don't you actually have to wait for some successes to call it successful?
 

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He's lost more than he won, and until we make the playoffs this year the miller trade will be still debatable. Having a good one year, wouldnt make up for losing a lotto pick. When trading you can't judge the winner of the trade from who the other team drafted but from the strength of those draft years.

I don't think it's up for debate he lost these trades:
Clendening
Sutter
Kesler
Baertschi
Vey
Mccann

Trades he won:
Hansen
Burrows
Gudbranson for Pearson

Up for debate:
Miller (most are calling this a win solely for the team being competitive, but nucks haven't done anything yet).
Not all trades have the same value, and can’t be judged equally. Look at the team right now. Miller, Pearson are too 6 forwards for us, Leivo top 9. He gave up a first, 3rd, carcone and Gudbranson to get those guys who have dramatically improved our team. It really too concerned about minor deals that happened 4 or 5 years ago. there is a huge element of throwing s*** at the wall in a rebuild, which is why so many do not work out.

The only guy that I’d love to have back is Mcann.
 

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I do agree management had something to do with some of the ridiculous signings, Eriksson never should have been signed same with the Sutter contract, but most of all the Gudbranson deal was just stupid look at McCann now just needed a few years to develop, if this organization had just an ounce of patience this team would be headed in a better direction, yes they’re first in the pacific but the playoffs are a different animal and I just don’t see us going very far with the current roster. Just my honest opinion.

That being said Benning has been pretty good at drafting, I don’t mind the Myers deal that’s the only big signing I don’t mind because it takes pressure off of Tanev/ Edler, honestly the guy should be demoted to assistant GM/ Head of scouting that’s where his skills are better suited not the GM.
 

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I just wondering why "look at the standings" wasn't permitted in previous seasons.

They're all in?
So say they miss the playoffs, by a single point....then what? And don't say it's not a realistic possibility. They're in the playoffs by 2 points.
It's why these types of threads don't make any sense with 40% of the season left to play.

If they get in this year, it’s a bonus. Next year they should, with a goal of legit competing in 2-3 years.

Everyone knew they were rebuilding over the past few years, they weren’t pushing to compete. This year they added a few key pieces and the result is far different. Were you expecting cup runs over the past few years?
 

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We'll have to agree to disagree - I think the process and decision making along the way is very important in evaluating a GM. Results matter, but they're not the end-all-be-all. Case and point: Chiarelli helped the Edmonton Oilers make the playoffs once. Would you consider his tenure there a success?

Do you honestly look at our roster make up and prospect pool and see a real comparison to the Oilers over the past few years?
I feel this team as of now is set up to compete for a healthy window.

I don’t disagree with you in that the process matters, but the ultimate gauge is team success, which I feel is the be all and end all.
 

Frankie Blueberries

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Do you honestly look at our roster make up and prospect pool and see a real comparison to the Oilers over the past few years?
I feel this team as of now is set up to compete for a healthy window.

I don’t disagree with you in that the process matters, but the ultimate gauge is team success, which I feel is the be all and end all.

You were using playoff chances as an indicator for success of the GM. That's the only comparable with the Oilers - I provided this example to show that this is not always the case.

The team has a good core to build around. Benning has shown that he is not the guy that is able to effectively make good UFA signings to complement the core. I'm sure you're aware of how much cap space is tied up in bottom 6 forwards/healthy scratches.
 

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If they don't make the playoffs, what does that do to your argument?

How has it been successful? Don't you actually have to wait for some successes to call it successful?

We have by far the best young team we have ever had. No, they have not won anything yet, maybe they won’t, but they are certainly set up to do so. I’d take my chances on the Canucks next 5 years over any team in the pacific. I may lose that, sure, but I’d take my chances without hesitation.

I think they set out a two year plan to get in, making it this year would be a huge win. If they don’t get in this year or next, it would be a massive failure.
 

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You were using playoff chances as an indicator for success of the GM. That's the only comparable with the Oilers - I provided this example to show that this is not always the case.

The team has a good core to build around. Benning has shown that he is not the guy that is able to effectively make good UFA signings to complement the core. I'm sure you're aware of how much cap space is tied up in bottom 6 forwards/healthy scratches.

I feel that we have too much space tied up in the bottom 6 agreed, but I also think we have one of the better bottom 6s in the league. They play their role very well.
Sutter has been derailed by injury, which sucks, I think he could have been far more successful.

Rousell is a key piece of this team. Look at our record with him in the lineup vs not. He is slightly overpaid by a bit.
Horvat took more defensive zone face offs than anyone in the NHL last year, not by a small margin. Beagle is overpaid, but has take a huge load off of Horvat and allowed him to play more offensively.

Our bottom 6 comes at a huge cost, but is a very big part of the success of this team. I really don’t have a huge issue with it.
 

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If they get in this year, it’s a bonus. Next year they should, with a goal of legit competing in 2-3 years.

Everyone knew they were rebuilding over the past few years, they weren’t pushing to compete. This year they added a few key pieces and the result is far different. Were you expecting cup runs over the past few years?
Dude, you just posted "look at the standings" for this year....but if they miss it's still all good? That's called moving the goal posts.

No I was not expecting cup runs, but I also wasn't the guy who just said the proof is in the standings.
 

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Do you honestly look at our roster make up and prospect pool and see a real comparison to the Oilers over the past few years?
I feel this team as of now is set up to compete for a healthy window.

I don’t disagree with you in that the process matters, but the ultimate gauge is team success, which I feel is the be all and end all.
I mean, I don't see how they're a lot different than the Oilers. They're just on a different time line. The Oilers have their elites on big contracts, the Canucks could be in the same position of being unable to surround their elites with quality depth when QH and EP are on their non ELC deals. It's Benning's job to make sure he can surround his elites better than the Oilers have.
 

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I used to dislike his every move, but with some still very exciting prospects in the cupboard (Podkolzin, Hoglander, Lind, et al), and with how our drafting has gone, it's a great time to be a Canuck fan.

Yeah, our cap is still a bit of an issue, but I've got faith it's going to work out in the end. By the time Hughes and Pettersson get off their ELCs, the Canucks will have anywhere from 25 to 35 million in cap space, with Eriksson, Beagle, Roussell all coming off the books. At around this time we should be seeing some prospects fill the holes they leave, or have the ability to sign other UFA's.

In regards to UFAs, I still can't fully judge Bennings signings. Yes the majority of them are trash, but it's hard to judge because the Canucks were a basement team for awhile and you have to pay a premium to convince players to play on losing teams. Should Benning have even reached for UFA's during those years? Absolutely, because I believe surrounding your young players with veterans is critical for development. Just listen to them in the media, the young players always talk about how important it was/is for them to settle in and get advice from locker room leaders. They look comfortable out there. Far cry from other teams who didn't go this route.

In the end, while it would've been ideal to contend while our superstars were on their ELCs, I'll take what we can get when we should've started the rebuild after 2012, not 2015/16. For that, I blame ownership in still thinking there was a competitive team.
 

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Dude, you just posted "look at the standings" for this year....but if they miss it's still all good? That's called moving the goal posts.

No I was not expecting cup runs, but I also wasn't the guy who just said the proof is in the standings.

If you can’t look at this team this season, on the ice and in the standings and not recognize huge strides, not sure what to tell you. This year had expectations of pushing for a playoff spot, and they are doing just that. The wheels may come
of, sure, but in my mind this has been a very successful season so far.

We can just agree to disagree.
 

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Vancouver board has a "tank thread" specifically created for posters to cheer on losing for Canucks to get Benning fired and to get draft picks, do other boards have this?

to be fair, the first five seasons of benning's regime were some of the most soul-suckingly hopeless years a fanbase can experience. i know other teams have had crazy bad stretches, and some are still, but man those were awful. just such baffling decisions we all knew were terrible decisions in the moment and then almost all of them working out far far worse than we could have imagined. sbisa, sutter, gudbranson, eriksson, even if we all thought they were bad acquisitions at the time, and terrible value for what we paid, assets-wise/money-wise/both, they all turned out devastatingly worse than even our notoriously pessimistic fanbase thought would happen.


4. Tanner Pearson- 100% Benning goofed up in his early tenure when he trade JAred Mccann for Eric Gudbranson.

he was in the summer entering year three when he made that trade. does that really count as "early on" still?


Im curious to see the current perception of Jim Benning is.

i'm thrilled for the young talent but extremely wary about the cap management moving forward. assuming the team's top six moving forward is miller, petey, boeser, pearson, horvat, and jake, there are nine players playing outside of the top six averaging $3 million/year. that's eriksson, sutter, roussel, beagle, schaller, leivo, ferland, baertschi already factoring the cap relief from burying him, and spooner's cap hit. it's okay to have one or two antoine roussels making $3 million with some term because you need good middle-six players. but nine?

then next season, it's seven players outside of the top six averaging $3.3 million. schaller and leivo come off the books, everyone else stays. meanwhile, jake and gaudette need raises after breakout seasons and if we keep them we'll also need to give raises to marky and tanev.

even two years from now, you still have $15.5 million in cap room tied up in eriksson, roussel, beagle, and ferland. petey, hughes, and demko will all need probably gargantuan raises.
 

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LMAO i didnt look but i sure hope you arent a Canuck "fan" otherwise it might be better for your life to just take some time off and not follow the team as it seems to give you more stress and worry in your life as i dont think you are capable of enjoying whats in front of you.

In looking at that post there's no way id be able to tell you are a fellow Canuck fan like me because the Canucks have never won the Stanley Cup. Reading your post there seems to be some sort of entitlement and demanding. AS a Canuck fan, im the complete opposite because like i said, weve won diddly squat in the league.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the question posed was specifically regarding Jim Benning and my thoughts on him.

-Canucks are in 1st place BUT its a weak Conference

That's not what I had said. I had said that the Canucks had improved slightly year over year and that the Conference in general had regressed. We aren't seeing a dominant Calgary squad, for example, like they were last year.

I also mentioned that the Canucks were the only team in the current playoff picture with a losing road record. I had said that the Canucks were a bubble team back in September of last year (feel free to check my post history if you'd like) and that's currently where they are -- the separation between 1st in the division and being out of Wild Card contention is 4 points. There are 8 teams within 4 points of each other in the West right now. You can't say that it isn't a tight race.

I'm glad that the Canucks are staying competitive this late into the season, but I'm also being pragmatic about what being "first in the division" represents.

Canucks might accomplish a feat not done since 1966 and go back to back Calder Winner BUT he drafted Virtanen in 2014

Again, not what I had said, and also not what you had said. EDIT: I am a little wrong on this -- you had said something about back to back Calder winners, so mea culpa on that. You were talking about Calder finalists and now Hughes could be a back to back winner. I said it is a great sign that the Canucks have a young core moving forward, but it doesn't excuse some of Benning's more egregious mistakes.

Tanner Pearson is has 49 pts in 68 games with the Canucks BUT some of those are empty netters

I took issue with the picture you painted of Pearson being the Canucks top scorer since November 2019 to now. That isn't true, as Petey has outscored him in the same time span and he's pretty darn close with both Horvat and Boeser...even more so if you discount three of the goals scored in that time frame were EN. It's great he's doing well for the team and I don't begrudge him performing well.

All I was doing was correcting you on an untrue statement you had made.

Virtanen is on pace for 24 goals , career year BUT we didnt get Nylander in 2014

Utica prospects are doing very well and performing BUT im going to randomly bring up busted 4th round prospects like Jordan Subban who was drafted in 2013 to try and make an irrelevant correlation.

Look, a lot of what you're saying even here in this response to me is making a lot of assumptions about how things are going to turn out. How many times did you use something like 'might' or 'is on pace for'? For me, those sorts of things are encouraging but they're also speculation.

The argument has been made regarding Virtanen 'turning the corner' several times in different seasons and the biggest issue for him is consistency. If he manages to turn in a full season of play like this, great. I even said that I was rooting for him.

And regarding prospects, there are lots of players who look good coming up in the system and then fizzle out for whatever reason. Even under Mike Gillis, whose drafting record is honestly not that impressive, there were players fans were getting optimistic about. It's good that they're performing well, but I maintain a sense of cautious optimism.

that doesnt sound healthy at all.

Canuck fans ( and like i said i dont know if you are) arent the Montreal Canadians fan base. We dont have 23 Stanley Cups. We've won nothing. Some Beggars here seems to want to be Choosers as well.

Soliciting opinions from folks and being hostile when they give you answers you don't like is pretty unhealthy in my opinion. I came into this thread giving you my opinions on things and you were dismissive, unable to acknowledge being incorrect about what was honestly a minor point and unwilling to acknowledge where I was being positive and/or pragmatic about things.

I don't understand your Montreal point. Since the Canucks have never won a Stanley Cup they should be happy with what they get? Is that the gist of it?
 
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My report card for Benning (previously posted on the Canucks board),

*Disclaimer: really long post incoming.


If you were to grade Benning on all major aspects of being a GM, he would undoubtedly fail miserably. It really is as simple as evaluating all of the major facets and job duties of a GM and then evaluating Benning holistically. Each trade/signing needs to be evaluated in isolation to assess its merits, and then all moves will be viewed cumulatively to assess how Benning has done. The majority of his bad moves looked bad at the time that they were made, so no point in trying to use a hindsight excuse for Benning here. And please, no one post "but the draft pick we traded turned into X who isn't very good!" because that's not viewing the trade in isolation.

I'll try to demonstrate what I mean about this assessment though (I might not include the lesser/irrelevant players or things like ELCs for the sake of brevity):

1. UFA Signings - Fail

I would give him an F (more bad contracts/players than good, aka a letter grade under 50%). Of course this is a mix of both quantitative and qualitative data (not all contracts are viewed equally given their impact in terms of varying term, cap hit, and salary).

Good:
Rafferty
Stecher
Benn

Bad:

Eriksson - probably the most impactful contract given out in the worst way possible. Nothing more needs to be said.

Gagner - not much needs to be said here.

Schaller - 2 years was too much term at $1.9 million, especially when he only played half the season last year. He's a player who is easily replaceable with a 4th liner getting paid league minimum.

Beagle - 4 years at $3 million is insane for a 4th line centre. Once again, fairly easily replaceable with a guy like Richardson. He's not a terrible player, this is just a bad use of cap space in prioritizing the wrong position that is easily replaceable, and the combination of term/cap make it a dumb move.

Bartkowski - barf. At least the term/cap wasn't bad, so it didn't cripple the team or anything, but still an atrociously bad player.

Average/Mediocre:

Miller - we needed a stop-gap starter and Miller was a decent option while Markstrom developed.
Vrbata (one good season, one bad)
Roussel
Vanek
Nilsson
Del Zotto (I wanted to include this as 'bad', given how terrible he was, but we ended up with a late draft pick)
Fantenberg

*I did not include Myers/Ferland as it's still way too early to fairly judge them given their longer term. I tend to lean towards 'bad' given the longer term and Myers' defensive gaffes, along with Ferland's health problems, but I see an argument to be made for each side which is why I have not included them.

2. Trades - Fail

Good:

Lack for 3rd round pick. I remember people complaining at the time that it wasn't a lot (some thought we could get Edmontons' early 2nd round pick at the time). I think this was a decent trade (could fall under average); this was probably the market for goalies and we got fair value. Once again, I'm not going to judge this trade based on what our 3rd round pick became, because that falls under the 'Drafting' assessment.

Burrows for Dahlen.

Hansen for Goldobin + 4th round pick.

Bieksa for a 2nd.

Carcone for Leivo.

Gudbranson for Pearson.

Bad:

53rd overall for Baertschi - given the prospects available at 53rd overall (Andersson, but also Dunn and Cirelli getting drafted shortly after), and what Baer has provided for this team, I'd say this is a fail. Some might disagree and that's fine; I can see the argument that we may have drafted a bust if we had kept the pick. This could also go into the 'average' category of trades.

Forsling for Clendening - bad at the time it was made. Forsling looked like he was on his way to become a bottom pairing dman; Clendening couldn't even skate.

Bonino + 2nd round pick for Sutter + 3rd (the difference in draft picks was only 9 spots IIRC). Bonino had 2 years left at $1.9 million per and was coming off a fairly good season as our #2 centre. He had more value than Sutter, and Sutter was the wrong player to target for our roster. I think we'd be in a better position if we literally did nothing and kept Bonino, let his contract expire and him walk, and have more cap space available as a result.

5th round pick for Larsen - he was useless.

Kassian + 5th round pick for Prust - " ". I get that Kassian had his issues with substance abuse, but throwing in a 5th round pick was unnecessary to offload him.

Mallet + 3rd for Pedan - waste of a 3rd round pick.

50th overall for Vey - waste of a 2nd round pick.

Jensen + 6th round pick for Etem. No reason to include that draft pick based on both prospects being project players at this time.

Pedan + 4th round pick for Pouliot.

McCann + 33rd overall + 4th round pick for Gudbranson + 5th round pick. Worst trade Benning has made during his tenure here. There were plenty of great prospects available at 33rd overall, this set us back big time.

Average/Mediocre:

Kesler for Bonino, 24th overall, and Sbisa. I take issue with Sbisa, and Bonino was not a great piece for a rebuilding team (would have preferred a younger/future asset). I would have put this into the "Bad" category, but I'm giving Benning the benefit of the doubt here that ownership pressured him into finding a replacement for Kesler, which explains why Bonino was included, as well as Kesler's 2 team trade list limiting the options for trade partners.

Shinkaruk for Granlund - neither team really benefited from it in the end. Granlund wasn't really a great NHLer so if you disagree with this assessment then I will concede that it is the most meaningless 'trade victory' that I've ever seen.

3rd round pick for Dorsett - Dorsett was a useful player for us and no one could have foreseen such a crazy career ending injury (although his play style certainly indicated a shorter shelf life).

Garrison + 7th round pick for a 2nd round pick.

Holm for Leipsic.

Subban for Dowd.

Vanek for Motte and Jokinen (could also be under 'bad' for no real useful futures being included).

Dahlen for Karlsson - too early to tell but could be a nothing trade.

Gagner for Spooner - trash for trash.

*Not including the Miller trade as it is WAY too early to properly judge, we don't even know where our draft pick will end up.


3. Contract extensions. Fail.

The 'bad' contracts here have had a much bigger impact on this team's future than the good ones have had (and I was generous with the 'good' contract extensions as I feel most of them just got market value and not a discount).

Good:

Horvat
Tanev
Markstrom

Bad:

Sbisa
Dorsett
Sutter
Gudbranson


Average:

Boeser
Stecher
Virtanen
Edler


4. Drafting - C

We've been pretty average in drafting in the top 10. Some huge hits, some huge misses. We have done relatively poorly in terms of later round picks, when compared to some of the better drafting teams. We should have more NHLers from our 2nd - 7th round picks at this point, almost 6 years into Benning's tenure.

5. CBA knowledge and cap management - Fail

This one I'd give less weight to as the other categories. It's become fairly clear that Benning is not great at managing the cap based on how our bottom 6 is getting paid, along with Spooner being bought out and Baertschi being in the AHL with a cap hit of $3.36 million. This is going to really impact the team once Pettersson, Hughes, and Demko finish their ELCs and also if they hit their contract bonuses, along with Boeser coming off his 3 year contract.

Benning has also attempted to tender a noncompliant contract to Tryamkin that was rejected by the league, along with being charged with tampering. These are more embarrassing and competency issues rather than having a huge impact on the team, but they still speaks to his ability under this category.

6. Asset management - Fail

So many UFAs wasted for nothing (Hamhuis, Miller, Vrbata) . So many draft picks thrown into trades at a time that we needed to rebuild (see above trades). So many poor trade targets (Gudbranson, Vey, Pouliot, Clendening, Sutter, Prust, Larsen, Granlund, etc.) where we wasted assets.


Conclusion: if you somehow think Benning deserves a passing letter grade based on the above factors, you have a lot of explaining to do. I personally don't think it's possible to prove Benning is anything but a failure based on the objective facts available, but to each their own.

Long time lurker, first post. Also I'm only about halfway thru this whole thread.

I have to evaluate JB as if they're 2 people: pre and post Burrows trade. The reason I use this time is (and this is all speculation on my part) is that pre trade he was a puppet for the owners. It's pretty well known that we have meddling owners (bottom 10 in the league IMO) and I believe they had a huge hand in operations and wanted to compete as long as possible with the Sedin's. Fair enough I guess, but the writing was on the wall.

This would explain why JB signed Eriksson (winger for the Sedin's), McCann for Gudbranson (tough defenseman), Gagner (PP specialist - PP% was 29th in the league the year prior), Vrbata, Hamhuis walking (because of owners problem with Gaglardi), et al which are considered some of his worst moves.
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Also, (again this is all speculation) but the media was all over how we are missing drafting players in our own back yard. We missed out on Gallagher, Lucic, the Benn's, Ty Ronning, etc. Next draft what do you know, but we draft Virtanen, local boy from Abbotsford. Next year, the media is talking about how our D needs improvement and our cupboards are bare (which was true) and we drafted Juolevi. I believe that the owners are persuaded by the media and suggest what the Canucks should do.
Only link I can find, however I remember them talking about it on Team1040
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Now either JB grew some balls and told the owners enough is enough or they figured out that we just can't compete anymore and need to rebuild. Either way, I believe the Burrows trade was the beginning of where we saw what JB is actually capable of. You could argue that he should've pushed back with the owners, but for all we know he did; there was rumor that that was the reason why Linden left. Linden wanted to rebuild a certain way, but owners saw it differently. My speculation is the owners wanted to start competing and Linden wanted one more year of rebuild.
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I'm not saying JB is a top 10 GM, I would put him in the middle (somewhere around 15th give or take a spot or two). I like some of his signings (Beagle, Roussel, etc) because JB wanted to bring in vets who were hard working, (some) winners and knew how to be professionals. We've heard about the impact guys like Roussel, Beagle, Dorsett, etc have had on the younger guys and the locker room. Yes, he had to overpay because of these off ice qualities and the way Vancouver was trending, they weren't competing anytime soon. These factors all raise the cost of a player.

So pre Burrows trade JB was terrible; a puppet. Post trade I'd say he has done well, not great, but good.
 
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If you can’t look at this team this season, on the ice and in the standings and not recognize huge strides, not sure what to tell you. This year had expectations of pushing for a playoff spot, and they are doing just that. The wheels may come
of, sure, but in my mind this has been a very successful season so far.

We can just agree to disagree.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm calling out the sillyness behind the "look at the standings" comment. It doesn't hold up to any of the scrutiny I've put on it and you've agreed with that.
 

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I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm calling out the sillyness behind the "look at the standings" comment. It doesn't hold up to any of the scrutiny I've put on it and you've agreed with that.
Not really when you look at the context of the comment, but that is fine:

Conclusion: if you somehow think Benning deserves a passing letter grade based on the above factors, you have a lot of explaining to do. I personally don't think it's possible to prove Benning is anything but a failure based on the objective facts available, but to each their own.

Benning has built a very good team, and has been a very good gm.
Simple explanation if you need it: look at the standings.
 

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I agree that he prolonged the rebuild by trying to retool on the fly when it was clear that couldn’t work. Hard to say how much of that was marching orders from a meddling owner but Benning still should wear that imo as he’s the guy in charge.
But drafting Boeser, Pettersson and Hughes without a top three pick is pretty elite drafting in those years. Especially picking up a top center and D which are the cornerstones of any team. And then adding Miller and Pearson in the past year as well.

I’m not sold that he can take the team to the elite contender status but he has built a competitive team with a lot of the key pieces in place. And he’s done it without a top three pick.

When I look around the NHL I’m not sure that I can find more than a handful of GMs who have done a better job. He’s kind of in a group with a bunch of GMs who are middle of the pack. And then there are the terrible ones.
Why does the support for Jim Benning always need to handicap top 5/10 picks.

He's drafted in the first round 7 times in 6 drafts, 5 of them were in the top 10, 4 of them in the top 7. Lets stop pretending the picks he's had aren't premium places to get high end talent.
 

4Twenty

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Not really when you look at the context of the comment, but that is fine:

Conclusion: if you somehow think Benning deserves a passing letter grade based on the above factors, you have a lot of explaining to do. I personally don't think it's possible to prove Benning is anything but a failure based on the objective facts available, but to each their own.

Benning has built a very good team, and has been a very good gm.
Simple explanation if you need it: look at the standings.
Yah, I still think the comment is silly, and I will think it's silly every time you make it.

You'll just move the goalposts if they fall out of a playoff spot, which is why it was a silly comment and continues to be
 

Frankie Blueberries

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Not really when you look at the context of the comment, but that is fine:

Conclusion: if you somehow think Benning deserves a passing letter grade based on the above factors, you have a lot of explaining to do. I personally don't think it's possible to prove Benning is anything but a failure based on the objective facts available, but to each their own.

Benning has built a very good team, and has been a very good gm.
Simple explanation if you need it: look at the standings
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I am a very good and safe drunk driver.
Simple explanation if you need it: I have always gotten home safely.


It's. The. Same. Thing.
 

BCNate

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Yah, I still think the comment is silly, and I will think it's silly every time you make it.

You'll just move the goalposts if they fall out of a playoff spot, which is why it was a silly comment and continues to be

I'll simplify for you:

The Post I was referring to is short novel, so feel free to read through if you have time. Poster makes some valid points, but relies heavily on the early goings of the rebuild to build a case that JB is a failure, and deserves a failing grade, and minimizes the moves that have the team where it currently is in the standings. They then ask for "a lot of explaining" if you disagree. I disagree. I feel the Canucks are strong, well balanced young team on the rise, and I credit JB for getting us there. The simple explanation for why I feel that is in the standings. The Canucks are 10th overall at the Allstar break, and are certainly in the mix for a playoff spot. That is exactly where they were hoping to be at this point in the season with the moves they made. You are the one tying the comment to the making or missing the playoffs, not me. If they miss this season and get in next year, my point still stands. If they miss both years, I will be the first to eat my words, not "move the goalposts".
 

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Lol! We should probably have restricted the discussion to non Canuck fans. It’s just turned into a spill over of Canuck fans from the Canuck board. I’d actually be interested in hearing other fans opinions.
 

BCNate

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I am a very good and safe drunk driver.
Simple explanation if you need it: I have always gotten home safely.


It's. The. Same. Thing.

Comparing drunk driving to a hockey forum is just plain dumb. You should feel very embarrassed.
 

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