Has Connor Bedard quietly became underrated ?

[Tifosi]

 

[hamzarocks]

gods this site is painful to use at the moment

praying it gets back to normal soon.

bedard has been productive lately. Hopefully keeps it up

 

[CallMeShaft]

 

[WarriorofTime]

Leafs for reference were 5th in goals Matthews rookie year and 3rd in goals his second year, with Marner and Nylander also there. Hawks were 32nd in goals last year and 29th in goals this year. The guy Bedard helped prop up last year (Kurashev) looks like he's played his way out of the League. Hawks are equally as bad post coaching change but now they're the score more, get scored on more type of bad, and Bedard has 20 points in 18 games since the switch.

 

[Mr Kot]

Matthews level career wouldn't be too bad at all.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Ranked #3 in Pronman’s latest list of players and prospects under 23

 

[Brookbank]

I’m going to say about 40g and 100pts, just like he did on a god awful Pittsburgh team.

I'm going to say hell no. Pitt wasn't in the same zip code bad as the Hawks of this era.

Crosby and Ovechkin also had their points totals inflated from the new obstruction rules changes than came in , in their rookie year. Which has been mentioned a million times already.

Ranked #3 in Pronman’s latest list of players and prospects under 23

I knew there must be a reason I've never heard of him.

He has Celibrini at the top. So he's saying Celibrini is better than Bedard. Celibrini is good but it's just not a very well thought out call to say he's better than Bedard.

 

[Wondercarrot]

I'm going to say hell no. Pitt wasn't in the same zip code bad as the Hawks of this era.

Crosby and Ovechkin also had their points totals inflated from the new obstruction rules changes than came in , in their rookie year. Which has been mentioned a million times already.


I knew there must be a reason I've never heard of him.

He has Celibrini at the top. So he's saying Celibrini is better than Bedard. Celibrini is good but it's just not a very well thought out call to say he's better than Bedard.

They were in exactly the same zip code, and in fact lived on the same street.
Are you suggesting Crosby scored 40 more points in their comparative rookie seasons because of inflated scoring?

How about this - Crosby is one of the top 5 players of all time, and it’s simply because he’s so great.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Has points in 11 of his last 12 games, only getting shutdown against Edmonton.

 

[WarriorofTime]

They were in exactly the same zip code, and in fact lived on the same street.
Are you suggesting Crosby scored 40 more points in their comparative rookie seasons because of inflated scoring?

How about this - Crosby is one of the top 5 players of all time, and it’s simply because he’s so great.

Pitt was 17th in goals scored Crosby's rookie year. They still sucked because they were 30th (out of 30) in goals against. Even in their tanky year two years earlier they were "only" 22/30 in goals scored (and 30 out of 30 in goals against). 495 powerplay opportunities compared to 235 Bedard's rookie year because that's just how League rolled then. Pens as a team had 65 more goals scored in Crosby's rookie year than Chicago in Bedard's.

Gonchar .773 PPG, Recchi .905 PPG, Leclair .699 PPG, Malone .571 PPG, Palffy 1.00 PPG (42 gp), Armstrong .851 PPG against Kurashev .72 PPG, Foligno .5 PPG, Dickinson .427 PPG, Jones .463 PPG, Johnson .463 PPG, Donato .385 PPG.

How is that remotely comparable, lol.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Pitt was 17th in goals scored Crosby's rookie year. They still sucked because they were 30th (out of 30) in goals against. Even in their tanky year two years earlier they were "only" 22/30 in goals scored (and 30 out of 30 in goals against). 495 powerplay opportunities compared to 235 Bedard's rookie year because that's just how League rolled then. Pens as a team had 65 more goals scored in Crosby's rookie year than Chicago in Bedard's.

Gonchar .773 PPG, Recchi .905 PPG, Leclair .699 PPG, Malone .571 PPG, Palffy 1.00 PPG (42 gp), Armstrong .851 PPG against Kurashev .72 PPG, Foligno .5 PPG, Dickinson .427 PPG, Jones .463 PPG, Johnson .463 PPG, Donato .385 PPG.

How is that remotely comparable, lol.

I always laugh when I see these PP #s post lockout

McDavid could have probably hit 200 points in a year with this many attempts

 

[Greatzsky 99]

I always laugh when I see these PP #s post lockout

McDavid could have probably hit 200 points in a year with this many attempts

Thats crazy, i didnt now it was that huge difference

 

[authentic]

Leafs for reference were 5th in goals Matthews rookie year and 3rd in goals his second year, with Marner and Nylander also there. Hawks were 32nd in goals last year and 29th in goals this year. The guy Bedard helped prop up last year (Kurashev) looks like he's played his way out of the League. Hawks are equally as bad post coaching change but now they're the score more, get scored on more type of bad, and Bedard has 20 points in 18 games since the switch.

So it’s just the teams they’re on, that explains the difference?

 

[WarriorofTime]

So it’s just the teams they’re on, that explains the difference?

The post was literally about how they hit the 100 point mark in the same number of games though

 

[authentic]

I always laugh when I see these PP #s post lockout

McDavid could have probably hit 200 points in a year with this many attempts

The top players score more now than they did back then. Goalies equipment has been reduced in size, way more empty net goals and 3on3.

 

[Mrfenn92]

A who’s who of legit top line talent.

 

[WalterLundy]

The top players score more now than they did back then. Goalies equipment has been reduced in size, way more empty net goals and 3on3.

All true and valid points. There is so much to consider season to season so you’ll never know with certainty what a player would do on a different team in a different year. With that being said McDavid’s 153 from 2023 adjusts to 180 in the 2006 environment (ESG, PPG and SHG levels all accounted for). That’s just league average let alone the pens with 495 opportunities yielding 94 goals. McDavid was the driver of the greatest powerplay ever by percentage with 89 powerplay goals on 275 attempts. It sounds silly but 200 points might have been there for him in the 2006 season with 500 PPO. Maybe not on that pens team but if that oilers team was transported to 2006.

 

[Toby91ca]

All true and valid points. There is so much to consider season to season so you’ll never know with certainty what a player would do on a different team in a different year. With that being said McDavid’s 153 from 2023 adjusts to 180 in the 2006 environment (ESG, PPG and SHG levels all accounted for). That’s just league average let alone the pens with 495 opportunities yielding 94 goals. McDavid was the driver of the greatest powerplay ever by percentage with 89 powerplay goals on 275 attempts. It sounds silly but 200 points might have been there for him in the 2006 season with 500 PPO. Maybe not on that pens team but if that oilers team was transported to 2006.

Seems weird that 153pts in 2023 when league-wide scoring was 3.14 goals per game would translate to 180pts in 2006 when league-wide scoring was 3.03 goals per game. I know there is difference in PP's, etc....but that still seems really weird.