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Yeah, not a particular fan of Trotz.

That 2006-07 team, for example, were decidedly not overachievers. Forsberg, Kariya, Timonen, Arnott, Weber, Suter, Hamhuis, et al. For a guy that has supposedly had the things that help you win in the playoffs (team defense and goaltending), he's done a ****** job of it.

Personally, I think Trotz has had several teams with better personnel than Laviolette's Cup-winning Canes.
 
NobodyBeatsTheWiz said:
Yeah, not a particular fan of Trotz.

That 2006-07 team, for example, were decidedly not overachievers. Forsberg, Kariya, Timonen, Arnott, Weber, Suter, Hamhuis, et al. For a guy that has supposedly had the things that help you win in the playoffs (team defense and goaltending), he's done a ****** job of it.

Personally, I think Trotz has had several teams with better personnel than Laviolette's Cup-winning Canes.
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I'm totally with you NTBW.

We also forget that Trotz has had vezina caliber goaltending along with 2 Norris candidates for years on D. I wouldn't exactly call this "little to work with"

Fact is...2 playoff series wins in 15 years. That is not going to cut it.

strungout said:
Someone is going to have to sell me on Laviolette.

I get the Cup thing...but...I dunno.

This sucks.
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Laviolette def had a junk team in 06 but got a ton out of them.

His run with Philly was even more impressive. That was the most insane run with horrendous AHL level goaltending I've seen.

He also took an Islander team that had been Milbury'ed for 7 straight years and took them to the playoffs in his first 3 years before being canned.
 
I guess I"m wondering now if the franchise would be okay with another rookie coach if we had a good veteran GM behind him? Or vise versa, rookie GM if he brings in a veteran coach? As long as we've got someone who know's what the promise land looks like?
 
BobRouse said:
He also took an Islander team that had been Milbury'ed for 7 straight years and took them to the playoffs in his first 3 years before being canned.
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That's all I needed to hear. I'm on board.

Edit^: I think they have to get veteran guys on both accounts. Certainly there's good rookie coaches and GM's that can step right into the league and excel, but I'd much rather go with a guy who has experience at the NHL level even if he doesn't have a cup on his resume.
 
Brian23 said:
I guess I"m wondering now if the franchise would be okay with another rookie coach if we had a good veteran GM behind him? Or vise versa, rookie GM if he brings in a veteran coach? As long as we've got someone who know's what the promise land looks like?
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Much prefer the latter (rookie GM/vet coach). What veteran GMs are out there that are actually desirable?
 
KevinM said:
That's all I needed to hear. I'm on board.

Edit^: I think they have to get veteran guys on both accounts. Certainly there's good rookie coaches and GM's that can step right into the league and excel, but I'd much rather go with a guy who has experience at the NHL level even if he doesn't have a cup on his resume.
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I'm just curious who's actually avaliable that'd fit our needs and is actually a good coach.

It seems the cream of the crop this year is Lavi and Tortz, maybe Bylsma if he's fired, and I'm not sure any of them really fit what we need.
 
Ovechkins Wodka said:
do we hold off on hiring to see if any playoff teams fire their coaches?
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Probably, unless whoever's in charge is sold on someone available now. Though I'm not sure who might be in danger on playoff teams. Maybe Yeo or Bylsma? Outside chance for McClellan?

The coach really has nothing to do over the summer. The GM is a much more pressing need.
 
strungout said:
Someone is going to have to sell me on Laviolette.

I get the Cup thing...but...I dunno.
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Agreed. I feel the same about Boucher on a fundamental level. Both seemed to have defensive support gaps in their systems. Boucher had the 1-3-1 for a while until that got exposed and he never seemed to adjust. Laviolette is more aggressive but not sure he's a structurally sound sort of guy. It's why on a baseline level I like Trotz a lot. The question is whether he'd evolve to the situation (and, I suppose, want to take on the task of coaching Ovechkin).

Maybe Toronto holds off to see what else materializes as far as coaches go but if there's any team I could see pouncing on Trotz it's them.

The Caps need to figure out their front office situation before anything else can realistically happen below that level. If that lingers until the draft the coaching front dynamic could become dicey. They should absolutely wait if the right GM candidate is otherwise occupied until then but the immediate list of candidates could take a hit by then.
 
NobodyBeatsTheWiz said:
Much prefer the latter (rookie GM/vet coach). What veteran GMs are out there that are actually desirable?
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No idea, I'm just more inclined to believe that rolling with veterans will give us more stability than what we've had the past few seasons since there's obviously more of a risk going with rookies.

I'm also much more inclined to run with a rookie GM than a rookie coach but I'm not at all knowledgable about what candidates are available for either position.
 
QuadrupleDeke said:
Let's go back in time and fire Boudreau a few weeks earlier so we can get Ken Hitchcock and skip both of the Hunter and Oates experiments.
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Trotz, Hitch, Boucher, Yeo, Carlysle....is there much of a difference between them stylistically? Some are slightly more passive (Boucher and Yeo) and some favor a more physical game (Hitch, Carlysle). ALL of them play a very "sit back and wait" type of game.

Thats what Oates does. Thats what Hunter did.

What makes you all think this will change our fortunes?

With wholesale roster changes those guys can work but don't expect anything but a confused Ovechkin and Kuznetsov. A handcuffed Green and Orlov.

Again...you guys seem to be espousing a LOT of defensive minded coaches for our roster that just isn't built for that type of game.

Think more Lavi, Quenville, BB, Bylsma....these are the kinds of guys that would fit what we have.
 
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Have GMGM & Oates been sent packing yet?

Every minute it doesn't happen, I can't help but think it won't.
 
Wouldn't Boucher enter a new job with that failure to adjust keenly in mind though?

He always stuck me as a guy who wouldn't be stubborn about adjustments in general anyway. I dunno...the guy just seemed a little crazy or something and I liked him. Obviously the other Tampa Bay coach should be here right now anyway, but....
 
I would't rule out Boucher, but he hasn't succeeded beyond the gimmick.

Honestly, I'd be happy with most vet head coaches (excluding Crawford, Torts, and Carlyle) and massively skeptical of any rookies.
 
The litmus test for me for any coach is their zone entry and neutral zone strategies. Everything else is somewhat secondary and it's why Oates is the worst since Hanlon. A secondary factor has to be a desire to finally secure some stability at that position. They can't keep churning through system after system. They need a decisive identity, a head coach that can keep the message fresh and for that presence to be a commanding one. In that regard Lavy & Boucher could both work...I just have some tactical concerns from the past. Then again, the same could be said for Trotz in other areas.
 
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