Speculation: Has Adam Oates Been Fired Yet???? How about now?

[BobRouse]

The most likely scenario imo is GMGM walks away and a new GM keeps Oates to at least start his final contract year, but is also looking for replacement candidates in case a move needs to be made.

I personally think Oates is a disaster and is more wrong than right. I think he should be fired asap. But I don't know that it will play out that way.

At the very least a new GM will want to come in and pick Oates' brain and talk to all the players, and then see how things operate from there. The only way Oates goes in this scenario is if the review is incredibly unfavorable or if Ted calls the shot. Neither of those is likely.

Well I'm not so sure about the Oates part but we'll see. A new GM, especially in this kind of situation (grossly underperforming team) will most likely want his own guys.

This team needs a change of culture. Ted knows it. The new GM will know it. Keeping Oates would work counter to that so I just don't see it happening. Its not like Oates has built up and equity as an NHL coach or anything.

 

[RandyHolt]

About Oates, we often near about some coaches or other staff retained, for continuity.

Look at the Redskins, Haslett was retained. Unthinkable to most all fans, yet there he is. If George was as big a problem was Shanahan was, maybe Ted does the same. One guy takes the fall.

Then the new GM comes in, and has the awkwardness of having to can "the well liked by Ovi" Oates, or, let him stay and not make waves on day 1. It's like your cat bringing you a dead mouse.

 

[KevinM]

GMGM is done I'm mostly sure, which is fantastic. Oates fate will likely be decided by the new GM, which means that he'll be gone in short order too. Dick Patrick can get canned too for all I care, I didn't even realize we had a president of hockey operations until like a week ago so if he goes I'm not devastated.

I'm really interested to see who's brought in to pick up the pieces and if any personnel changes will be made. Hopefully this isn't going to scare Grabo off.

 

[BobRouse]

About Oates, we often near about some coaches or other staff retained, for continuity.

Look at the Redskins, Haslett was retained. Unthinkable to most all fans, yet there he is. If George was as big a problem was Shanahan was, maybe Ted does the same. One guy takes the fall.

Then the new GM comes in, and has the awkwardness of having to can "the well liked by Ovi" Oates, or, let him stay and not make waves on day 1. It's like your cat bringing you a dead mouse.

Redskins situation is different tho. Shanahan was scuttling the boat and everyone saw it so it was hard to blame others around him.

But they hired a guy in Jay Gruden that had actually worked with Haslett before...in fact Haslett gave Gruden his first coaching gig did he not?

It depends if the new GM has any sort of relations with Oates.

When Poile traded for Rick Tocchet he knew Tocchet was a soon to be UFA. Our chances of resigning him went down to -458% once we hired McPhee since McPhee and Tocchet HATED each other.

The new GM will be a big factor. Due to Oates being new on the coaching scene it stands to reason there won't be much of a relationship with the new guy which will hurt his chances of staying on board.


EDIT: Did anyone find the quotes from McPhee a few weeks back curious???

It was something like a reporter asked him about his job status and McPhee replied something like "You can't be worried about your NEXT JOB or else the hockey gods will punish you"

Seems McPhee already had the "Next Job" idea in his head at the time. But I didn't hear the original question so not sure.

 

[Langway]

http://www.csnwashington.com/hockey-washington-capitals/talk/ovechkin-says-he-wants-oates-back-coach

We're ****ed.

No player is ever going to say, 'Yeah, can that *******' to the media. What they say behind closed doors is another matter. Alzner already pretty much slammed their lack of identity and playing a style that doesn't really suit the top six so even if they don't come out and say it explicitly there are hints in that direction.

IMO even if a new GM comes in and retains Oates they will want to tweak his assistants. Calle Johansson shouldn't return. He was hired by Oates due to their relationship rather than on merit. There's a long list of upgrades for that spot. Forsythe may be a much better video guy and eye in the sky than bench presence.

 

[Capitlols]

Wish they never let Jim Johnson go.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Has Adam Oates been fired yet?

 

[strungout]

Its 10am....how does he still have a job?

 

[g00n]

Wish they never let Jim Johnson go.

Agreed. I thought he'd get the HC spot after Hunter left, but he bolted as well.

 

[RandyHolt]

Who was that goalie coach that bolted and then bad mouthed Semin?

I wonder if he thought George was a quack, if for no other reason retaining Semin, and bugged out.

 

[Darkproducer]

I have a bad feeling Teddy is going to drag his feet as long as he can on this...come on Ted quick and easy!

 

[Liberati0n*]

I think the Alzner quotes in that article were way more troubling than the Ovechkin ones.

 

[BiPolar Caps]

I think the Alzner quotes in that article were way more troubling than the Ovechkin ones.

I think Alzner should be wearing the C on his jersey!

 

[Darkproducer]

I think Alzner should be wearing the C on his jersey!

anyone that calls oates a hockey genius...I might have to rethink Alzner for captain lol.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Barry Trotz is now available, any interest?

 

[Langway]

Barry Trotz is now available, any interest?

He could help bring along their goaltending coach, Mitch Korn, so depending on the GM and direction...yes.

@Chris_Gordon: Laich: "The closest we were to winning a Stanley Cup was with Dale Hunter."

A rare non-political statement from Laich.

 

[BobRouse]

Barry Trotz is now available, any interest?

Not at all.

Unless we want to totally shift the team to a trapping style team which would require significant roster modifications and totally waste Ovechkin.

We need the polar opposite of Trotz.

 

[Liberati0n*]

I think Alzner should be wearing the C on his jersey!

I've been saying so for a while.


Are the exit interviews today?

 

[trick9]

Not at all.

Unless we want to totally shift the team to a trapping style team which would require significant roster modifications and totally waste Ovechkin.

We need the polar opposite of Trotz.

I don't think you can really blame Trotz for going with trapping kind of style. Look through the list of forwards he's worked with during his years there and it's pretty brutal.

Still i think there are few better options available.

 

[BobRouse]

I don't think you can really blame Trotz for going with trapping kind of style. Look through the list of forwards he's worked with during his years there and it's pretty brutal.

Still i think there are few better options available.

Well he's coached one way his entire career that I can see. Will he change based on the talent around him? Maybe. But there is no evidence to that point.

IF the Caps want a more conservative trapping style then fine. Hire the guy. Be prepared to have an underwhelming Ovehckin and a disinterested fanbase until the team starts winning again which may take a couple years to overhaul the roster to make it trap friendly.

Just so much easier to hire a Laviolette type. Especially considering Lavi has been to two cups and won one. Trotz has done nothing in the playoffs to suggest that he'd help a team that has trouble in that area.

 

[strungout]

I'd look hard at Trotz.

He never had anyone like Backstrom or Ovie in Nashville. But he also had Weber and Suter and a pipeline of Defensemen.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

The thing I really like about Trotz is that his teams overachieved. He got more out of that group than they should have been able to provide.

I also like the fact that he's older and well established as an NHL coach. Would not be opposed.

 

[BobRouse]

Trotz has won 2 playoff series in 15 years of coaching.

Do we really want a coach like that here? REALLY?

If we want to change our culture we don't need a coach who has an illustrious history of coming up short when it matters.

He's missed the playoffs 8 times in 15 years and has had 5 one-and-dones.

I'd steer far clear of him for this team.

 

[strungout]

Trotz has won 2 playoff series in 15 years of coaching.

Do we really want a coach like that here? REALLY?

If we want to change our culture we don't need a coach who has an illustrious history of coming up short when it matters.

He's missed the playoffs 8 times in 15 years and has had 5 one-and-dones.

I'd steer far clear of him for this team.

We want a coach that gets the absolute most out of the roster.

Trotz has done that for 17 years. Its freaking Nashville.

Give him a really good existing group of forwards...and fix the D? I think he'd be a decent fit.

 

[Liberati0n*]

I think I'm firmly for Trotz over Laviolette at this point.


Would anyone here take Guy Boucher?