noncents
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bang. there it is. Chmelar sucks now! we're off him. who's next
Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack/Bloomington Bison Thread: Part XV
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I like Chmelar. It just seems like a trend. When was the last time the Rangers had a playerwith size that was actually good at fighting and entertaining, Colton Orr, Jason Strudwick era.
Chmelar came up through the Finnish youth system where, like most of the European leagues, you can't fight. Then he went to Providence for two years and in the NCAA, you can't fight. This is the first year he has played in a league that permits fighting. So yeah, it's not something he's going to be good at and it's also probably not something he should waste his time practicing, since he has plenty of other tools that can propel him to an NHL career.
“Tall guy must punch” -Hockey fans unprompted
Btw Tanner Glass played in college and was a tough guy, same with George Parros and Brian Boyle fought and he played in college. Well It would be nice to have a power forward that can do both. I mean those guys still exist. Imagine if the Rangers had another Graves, Iginla, Tkachuk, Jamie Benn those players are still valuable to their team. Btw Jamie Benn was a former 5th round pick. Rangers need to get that level of scouting. Tired of big soft players like K’Andre Miller, Mika, and Kreider nowadays. One reason I hope for a shocking Tkachuk trade. Those players do make a difference more than players like Mika in the playoffs.
Glass and Parros both started in Junior A where they fought. They were on that "track" before going to college. They also sucked otherwise. Boyle started out fighting a good bit but curtailed it for the most part once he got settled in; he had a few years early in his career where it didn't look like he was going to be more than a fourth line guy who chipped in 10 points. Then he has the 20-goal year with us and his game changed somewhat.
Hockey is different now. Fighting is close to an all-time low and may be out of the game entirely within the next decade. But guys like Graves and Iginla and Keith Tkachuk, they came up in a different era and also grew up watching a totally different era. I mean there was a period where every team had like half a roster of guys that would get into multiple scraps each year. That is loooong gone and we'll never see it again.
Jaroslav Chmelar is tough, is physical, and doesn't back down. Whether he is ever a good fighter or not, I don't think that has much bearing on anything as the game is heading in a totally different direction.
Also not to make it a North American vs. European thing but the European players grow up watching domestic players and there are no fights. They're not really exposed to that. They can watch the NHL and hope to see the one fight every three games that occurs now, but that's it. Or go watch old videos. But they're coming from a place where it's not part of the culture. Adam Edstrom is a tough dude, undeniably, but he doesn't fight. Didn't grow up with it. He could learn how to be more effective at it but why? It will happen 2-3 times per year for him, max.
End of 1 at Providence. 1-1, Domingue in goal.
Korczak from Bryce McConnell Barker and Rempe.
Korczak from Bryce McConnell Barker and Rempe.
I turned on the game after football and the Korczak goal came one second after a Providence penalty ended. McConnell makes a great play holding the puck at the side boards until a lane develops and makes a great cross ice pass to Korczak who has an open net and puts it in. I'm not a big Korczak fan but I do think he has a good shot. It's a very impressive play by BMB. I would like to see him playing up in the lineup and hope he gets moved to center before the end of the season.
Team is taking lazy penalties. Nothing with trying to stop scoring chances.
Brutal in their own end. Having trouble creating offense.
4-1 Providence with 4:00 left in the 2nd.
Brutal in their own end. Having trouble creating offense.
4-1 Providence with 4:00 left in the 2nd.
eco's bones
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FWIW Tanner Glass was a pretty good college player though the ECAC hasn't always been one of the stronger Div. 1 conferences and usually Dartmouth (though Ivy League) has been a mediocre Div. 1 college team.
That he was a pretty good Div. 1 college player and a borderline AHL/NHL talent kind of tells me anyway that to make the NHL just on skating and skills a player has to be really f***ing good because there really aren't all that many kids even good enough to give a Div. 1 college scholarship. Glass kind of made it on his toughness. but he still had to be able to kind of hold his own even as a 4th liner to stick around as long as he did. A player like him would have had to adapt his game and probably a few times over just to accomplish what he did and there are lessons that he can bring from that to players like Rempe, Edstrom, Roobroeck. Find ways to make yourself useful.
.....and for Chmelar that is his first fight the other night and playing physical is something I'm sure that Pack coaches are encouraging him to do. He's not likely going to be a top 6 so he will need to use size, skating, speed and strength to enhance his chances.
eco's bones
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The fight between Condotta and Chmelar is up on Hockeyfights.com now. It starts with Chmelar barreling over a Laval player at the defensive blue line. He just runs him right over....but clean hit. Condotta then comes in from behind and kind of jumps him swinging. Through most of the fight Chmelar's right glove is still on while he's trying to hold Condotta off with his left hand. Fights like this are kind of bullshit to me. One guy clearly giving himself an advantage over the other. I get that he's stepping in for his teammate....but as far as I can tell the guy isn't really hurt. The refs f*** it all up too....there should been an instigator and a misconduct added on to Condotta. Clearly he started it.
EdJovanovski
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Mollie Walker said he was no longer wearing the wrist cast and was skating in a non-contact. So hopefully somewhat soon.
leetch99
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That skill is diminishing ...but being able to have some essence of self defense is still an important enough skill to own . The fact he threw an open ice hit in the first place is a big start to being a contributing Ranger....it is a rarity at the next level.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
FWIW....Boyle could not fight...but he did show up . I felt bad for him in that Ottawa series when he had to pay a price from McGratton ? or Neil....I can't remember or was it the other goon they employed Carkner ?
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Yes. Haha
He fought Carkner and Neil. And Neil hit him cutting across the middle. That Ottawa team was pretty mean.
leetch99
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He certainly could have used a bit of help . Nobody felt any worse than myself as a long time fan watching that happen . No player should absorb a bad beating while his mates stand there watching....JUMP in and help your brother . That is something good leadership TELLS Europeans and non fighters before they step on the ice wearing a Bruin [as an example] jersey . Tight teams look after one another out there . Ranger clubs have lacked that cohesiveness for a very long time . You don't need to win...but at least show up .
NYR Viper
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Dubinsky was the one to jump in and got kicked out of the game for it. I wonder if this draft any type of Dubinsky types. Rangers can use some centers with some skill and bite.
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