Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack/Bloomington Bison Thread: Part XV
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Highlights from Vince M. article about Hartford prospects:
Knoblauch: Rangers bring up prospects too soon. Young players sent up when not ready and go back and forth losing confidence.
Vince: Rangers don't have a good record of developing players. Sites 2017-2021 high picks. (My opinion: I think this is a fair point but somewhat overstated. Sometimes the pick is just not good (Lias Andersson), sometimes picks take a while to develop (Kakko and Chytil), several prospects have been successful Miller, Schneider), sometimes the player doesn't help development (Kravstov) and sometimes the player is simply in the wrong place and the wrong time (Lundqvist was a great pick in 2018 but then the Rangers traded for Trouba and Fox and draft Schneider) and suddenly an area of weakness became an area of strength.
Vince: Rangers need to work on providing confidence to young players.
2017-2021 drafted prospects in Hartford aren't knocking down the door to being called up including Cuylle has is scoring at 0/5 PPG.
Knoblauch: Defensive play has been pretty good. Offense is 29 out of 32. Need to do better in offensive zone. Team working on that. (My comment: Offense has started to pick up at the time that some of the vets were injure an out of the lineup giving some of the kids more opportunities.
Konblauch: Carpenter centering first line has been great and Elson and Reuschhoff playing their best hockey with him.
Lately lines have been consistent with second line of Fritz centering Cuylle and Pajuniemi and third line of Rydahl centering Trivigno and Whelan. (My comment: Knoblauch frequently changed lines and I believe overplayed the veterans.)
Knoblauch: Rydahl Processing nicely. Playing PP and PK and takes critical face offs. Robertson's problem has been consistency. Says consistency has been better since recovering from injury earlier in year. (Comment: I agree with nyr2k2, gravy9 and others that Robertson is trying to do too much offensively and needs to keep his game simple. I don't think he has very good offensive instincts and trying to do too much gets him into trouble.)
Garand struggling off the ice (culture shock from WHL) and playing only one game a week.
Knoblauch: Rangers bring up prospects too soon. Young players sent up when not ready and go back and forth losing confidence.
Vince: Rangers don't have a good record of developing players. Sites 2017-2021 high picks. (My opinion: I think this is a fair point but somewhat overstated. Sometimes the pick is just not good (Lias Andersson), sometimes picks take a while to develop (Kakko and Chytil), several prospects have been successful Miller, Schneider), sometimes the player doesn't help development (Kravstov) and sometimes the player is simply in the wrong place and the wrong time (Lundqvist was a great pick in 2018 but then the Rangers traded for Trouba and Fox and draft Schneider) and suddenly an area of weakness became an area of strength.
Vince: Rangers need to work on providing confidence to young players.
2017-2021 drafted prospects in Hartford aren't knocking down the door to being called up including Cuylle has is scoring at 0/5 PPG.
Knoblauch: Defensive play has been pretty good. Offense is 29 out of 32. Need to do better in offensive zone. Team working on that. (My comment: Offense has started to pick up at the time that some of the vets were injure an out of the lineup giving some of the kids more opportunities.
Konblauch: Carpenter centering first line has been great and Elson and Reuschhoff playing their best hockey with him.
Lately lines have been consistent with second line of Fritz centering Cuylle and Pajuniemi and third line of Rydahl centering Trivigno and Whelan. (My comment: Knoblauch frequently changed lines and I believe overplayed the veterans.)
Knoblauch: Rydahl Processing nicely. Playing PP and PK and takes critical face offs. Robertson's problem has been consistency. Says consistency has been better since recovering from injury earlier in year. (Comment: I agree with nyr2k2, gravy9 and others that Robertson is trying to do too much offensively and needs to keep his game simple. I don't think he has very good offensive instincts and trying to do too much gets him into trouble.)
Garand struggling off the ice (culture shock from WHL) and playing only one game a week.
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Lohin returned to Jax today
Recalled 11/26 to Pack, but had only played Dec 3rd and 7th
presuming Getts, Smith and Khodo still out injured,
PTO Brandon Cutler seems maybe hurt too? played 5 games Dec10th>22nd, none since
seemingly healthy Pack F corps as of now:
Carpenter, Rydahl, Rueschhoff, Elson [NYR not young]
Cuylle, Trivigno, Pajuniemi, Henriksson, Rempe [NYR prospects]
Fritz, Digiacinto, Whelan [AHL vets]
Tardif - new young (23 later this month) AHL added this week
I couldn't agree more re: your point on developing players.
They don't even have any 2021 or 2017 drafted prospects in Hartford so IDK what Vince is talking about. I can't believe that anyone who legitimately watched Korczak last season expected him to make it to the AHL this year; I said all along he'd likely be in the ECHL or back in the WHL. That, again, is not a player development problem--it's a combination of the player just not being good enough and not being ready. So if you look at 2017-2020, you have:
2017: Chytil and Barron graduated, Sjalin in a different organization, Andersson was a bust. Barron and Chytil are good development stories. Lakatos and Virta never signed. Crawley was a stupid pick from day one.
2018: Miller skipped the AHL, Kravtsov did his thing, Lundkvist did his thing. Where's the Hartford problem? Keane was developing very well in Hartford before they moved him. The only other guy from this draft that is (currently) even AHL caliber is Pajuniemi. He has regressed somewhat this season which is disappointing, but still, guy was the 132nd pick of the draft for a reason. Getting a decent AHL player at that phase is not a bad result.
2019: Robertson has been disappointing. Cannot dispute that one. Anyone who knows me will know I never thought Henriksson was any good, so his relative struggles don't surprise me. Even then, it's his first year in North America! Jones has done great in Hartford and in a lot of other organizations is probably in the NHL right now. I don't understand what they're doing with Skinner. Aaltonen and Ciccolini are scrubs. I think Edström would be pushing if he could be in Hartford.
2020: Cuylle is progressing. He was never a blue chip prospect and was always a bit of a project. It's his first real year as a pro. Where is the patience? He's coming along just fine. Tarnstrom sucks, Vierling sucks, Rempe sucks (and they may still turn Rempe into something). Berard and Ollas could be real good but aren't pros yet. Garand, as stated, is having a tough time adjusting. Again, first year pro.
I see more of an issue with drafting. Most of our top picks in recent years either skipped Hartford or played very little there. The handful of draftees that have gone to Hartford have either done pretty well, IMO, or failed because they just sucked. Like, bottom line, I don't look at many guys who have gone to Hartford and say, "Man we failed that kid developmentally." I see guys who were longshots to begin with, at best, who didn't pan out in most cases.
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Pack fall in another shootout, '3'-2
Domingue stopped 38,
Pack w only 23 total shots
Carp, Scanlin w G's,
Jones w a A
Domingue stopped 38,
Pack w only 23 total shots
Carp, Scanlin w G's,
Jones w a A
Pack lose in shoot out 3-2. Pack out shot 40-23. Domingue solid (voted 3rd star) but let in two he'll want back. Pack goals by Carpenter on the PP and Scanlin with a blast of a feed from Elson. Trivigno moved up to second line replacing Cuylle. I think Rydahl may have been hurt because Henriksson took over 3rd line center in the third and I don't recall seeing Rydahl.
Robertson with two bad turnovers leading to scoring chances but no goals.
In the shoot out, the Utica player who scored looked like he went backwards and the Pack bench went crazy but refs let the goal stand. Cuylle, Carpenter (hit the post) and Alex Whelan (who had no career shoot out attempts) failed to score. I know the coaches like Whelan but putting him in that position with the game on the line was mystifying.
Robertson with two bad turnovers leading to scoring chances but no goals.
In the shoot out, the Utica player who scored looked like he went backwards and the Pack bench went crazy but refs let the goal stand. Cuylle, Carpenter (hit the post) and Alex Whelan (who had no career shoot out attempts) failed to score. I know the coaches like Whelan but putting him in that position with the game on the line was mystifying.
Ryder’s up with the big club while Johnny Brodzinski is home with his wife who is/has had a baby.
What is that status on Robertson. I feel like I have not read much on him. Is he not progressing? Taking longer to develop as big stay-at-home defenseman?
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Nope.
Rydahl was returned already (its in Rydahl thread)
and was in lineup
Ric was saying Rydahl didnt return to ice later in game
Second year as pro, don't think its 'taking longer'
The reason NYR traded up for Miller and Schneider was they hoped for exceptional talent
... and were right
Nice goal by Jones. Pack up 3-1 against Wilkes Barre/Scranton.
Cuylle and Scanlin with the other goals.
2nd period with 6:00 left.
I think Jones is his own worst enemy by trying too hard to force plays instead of just letting the play come to him. He certainly has the talent and he’s fearless when it comes to challenging opposing players in front of and behind the net.
Hopefully it all works out.
Cuylle and Scanlin with the other goals.
2nd period with 6:00 left.
I think Jones is his own worst enemy by trying too hard to force plays instead of just letting the play come to him. He certainly has the talent and he’s fearless when it comes to challenging opposing players in front of and behind the net.
Hopefully it all works out.
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Just checked the AHL app
Still 3-1
Noticed that Tardif is in lineup, his 1st Pack game, assist on Jones G
With all their F injuries, hopefully he continues to contribute
Don’t know anything about Ben Tardif except what I seeing tonight.
He brought the puck across the blue line that eventually led to Jones’s goal.
What I can say he is noticeably an effortless smooth skater and in this game he has been moving and carrying the puck well.
Now it’s 3-3 with 5:00 left in the 3rd.
Pack lose in O.T.
Nylander from the Penguins deeked out Elson and put it over Garand.
Final 4-3
Nylander from the Penguins deeked out Elson and put it over Garand.
Final 4-3
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Up 3-1 in the 3rd...lose 4-3 in OT. Where have I seen that before?
I guess it's good that the farm team is practicing the same habits as the NHL team.
well at least the Rangers and Wolfpack are consistent at something. Wish it was something more positive
I just reviewed the goals. The Penguins goalie whiffs on Scanlin and Cuylle shots but as Rodolfo said Jones makes a great move to score the 3rd goal. Pack up 3-0 halfway through the game. Then Trivigno turns the puck over in the defensive zone leading to a quick shot and a goal. So 3-1 going to the third. Penguins score off a deflection in front. Then a few minutes later Elson has the puck near the defensive blue line and somehow fails to get the puck out and the Penguins tie it. In OT Alex Nylander absolutely undresses Pajuniemi and beats Garand. I'm not sure Garand had a chance on any of the goals. Bad plays by Trivigno, Elson and Pajuniemi cost them the game. Robertson was -3 but he wasn't responsible for any of the goals.
So third straight OT/SO loss.
So third straight OT/SO loss.
For me, I think he’s the steadiest of the LD. Robertson has had his struggles this season and Jones is head and shoulders above as far as talent goes but it seems to me that he forcing his game. Scanlin could one day be a bottom pairing defenseman in the NHL. Going to repeat myself but “steady” is the best way to describe his game.
Was wondering if Scanlin would maybe get a call up . Hajek may aswell go down on waivers or conditioning
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I watched a bit last night and again Robertson just is pinch happy. He is trying to do too much. I wish they would ask him to simplify. It’s like watching Brady Skjei but in the minors. Dude just needs to calm his game down. He has decent skating and decent skills but I’m worried about his processor. Scanlin is far more steady right now. Emberson has been slightly steadier too. Robertson is frustrating to watch because he’s got a lot of ingredients. Just has a very uneven recipe right now.
