Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack/Bloomington Bison Thread: Part XV
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Robertson is gonna be somewhere in our top 6. He’ll later cook a bit longer then Schneider, but he’s coming. He’s going to be another very good nhl D.
Unheralded, yet solid. Moves the puck very well and has the size. Hopefully he develops a little nasty to his game over the next year and a half-2years.
With any luck he resembles a young Marc Staal that’s better at moving the puck.
KAM playing well and improving himself is also huge for us.
We should have no problem having a very strong blue line deployed over the next 5-6 years at least
Man I really hope Jones get a shot to make it here. I would hate to move him before we really get a look at him. I think he's more like a #4D who runs the PP, but there's still a non-zero chance that he just blows up and becomes something more. Hard to see how we'd get fair value on his potential in any deal.
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If he keeps playing like this it'll be borderline criminal if he doesn't get a look in the NHL this season.
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The only thing I could think of is that Drury promised him the NHL and/or they are trying to build his value for trade.
Jones deserves to be here.
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Don't overthink it, he is preparing well and improving. His opportunity will come, every AHL game makes him more ready.
There is no urgency and no entitlement.
Better for him to play these top 4 minutes, for now, than sit, or play low minutes, anyway.
He's been a pro for barely 4 months of season time.
He's gonna be good NHLer, but it doesn't need to happen right now.
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It's fine as long as we keep winning.
I think Jones helps us a lot with his puck movement. 3rd pair is an issue.
Looking fwd to a Jones-Schneider 3rd pair next season.
Being able to roll
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Is going to give us a tremendous mismatch.
I’m hoping nils has a great rest of the season and pumps his trade value.
The writings on the wall that Nils/Kravtsov and maybe chytil will be the likely trade pieces for an upgraded 2C
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what type of upgrade do we need at 2c? Are we expecting our 2c to average more then a pt per game?
This board has an unhealthy and irrational hatred of Strome.
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Crazy, to me, the urgency some NYR followers feel, to send away unique talents, and rush unproven players into key NHL roles...
Maybe the writing is on your bulletin board, but, seems to me, it is as likely, or moreso, that 2, or all 3, of those remain NYR a year from now.
Besides, at '2C,' the 'upgrade' talk seems inflated.
Strome will be difficult to retain given Cap considerations, and maybe team wants to evolve the roster,
but it is far from a given that #16 is replaced with a player who outproduces what he's been able to.
You sitting Schneider or Lundkvist out of camp? Which one do you piss off when both are ready?
How bout Jones?? Which one you want disgruntled asking for a trade??
Schneider could have started this year, with this team. Jones should have, if your basing it on just camp.
I have no problem with either in Hartford for a full year this season. But these kids want/need to play when ready.
As far as Strome goes, I’ve said many times, if you can get a better overall player that makes the line harder to play against as a whole, you take that trade for a slight point decrease.
Is there anyone who wouldn’t switch strome for PLD right now if possible? Even if Panarin is only a Ppg or 90 pt guy, instead of 100 plus and the line being exposed in stiff competition.
No way in hell do we sign strome for more then 3-4 years. At his age and with his career resurgence, he’d be dumb to take that loss of security, so the point is moot anyway, he’s likely a goner
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I totally agree. While it is valid to look at our prospect pool and wonder if we have too many guys for too few open slots, it's also true that this team is going to be up against the cap until Trouba and Kreider's deals are up or they are traded. Which means, it's really important that we develop the talent we have and play them in key roles.
The only caveat I'd make is, if there's a very young center, say 23 and under, who is affordable for the next few years and under team control then I'd consider that. But. at the moment, we can't even afford to keep Strome this offseason if and when he demands 6m or north. We really can't afford anyone over 4m in our 2C role. So, the idea of trading chytil or lundkvist for someone that's going to come with a substantial cap hit is out of the question long term unless we move Trouba or Kreider before their movement clauses expire (unlikely!) or we're looking for a playoff rental. And if we're doing that, I'm not trading any of our first round picks for one playoff run. and that includes Kravtsov.
You want Schneider playing 1 year at least of 3rd D behind Trouba while he’s here. Especially if that’s the role you eventually want him to take over.
I’m sure we’ll also draft more defensemen over the next 2 years in the next 2 drafts
It was already borderline criminal based on last season and pre-season this year.
I get that some don’t want to trade young guys or prospects, but I’m sorry, that is basically a certainty at this point. There just won’t be enough spots, and you can’t stash them in the A for another full year just because...
it’s not a matter of if, but when and who and for who at this point
it’s not a matter of if, but when and who and for who at this point
I wouldn’t mind if he scores less. Frankly I’d expect him to because LaF should take that void from strome away on the PP, where strome pumps his stats btw.
But hopefully a younger solid 200ft player who can play physical and win face offs.
against good teams in tight playoff hockey, what good is scoring a pt per game if your line is exposed for 2 or 3??
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying strome is always horrible or hate him like some. Frankly, he’s outperformed anything any of us imagined he would.
But you’ve got to call a spade a spade. He’s going to want more money then what he’s worth and for too long. We also need a better all around player in that spot. Hopefully he’s 25 or under
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Pro sports rosters are not like video games, you need 30 guys to get thru the real season, not 20.
And Schneider does not need to be installed as an NHL regular as a 21st birthday present, next fall. If he is not full time NHL til '23-24, no harm, no foul.
It will work out without forcing it.
I read all the posts here, fast-tracking Jones, Schneider, Berard to near-term regulars and that doesn't jive with what really happens in this league.
Each guys path to fulltime NHL status is dynamic, fluid, irregular, based on opportunity and situation, as well as performance and readiness.
NYR are blessed with both a solid, talented core, and a deep pipeline. It's gonna be fun to watch it morph to a higher level. And I dont think the FO is gonna make premature choices, or force too many abrupt changes.
A couple inevitable injuries, and openings occur for qualified guys, without forcing it.
No one is fast tracking them. They were good enough recently to make the team out of camp. While they are still on ELC deals. Your right it’s not a video game. This is real life. These kids what to play when ready. I guarantee if Schneider’s in the A at 23-24-25 he’s requesting a trade outta here.
Berard, Cuylle etc are years off yet. It’s hardly the same thing.
Lundkvist was not head and shoulders above Schneider in camp. Nor was he better at all then Jones. He was the oldest of the 3 and I’d wager agreements were made and no one wanted him pulling a kravtsov.
The only likely guys I see making the jump next season are Schneider/Jones/and Barron. The rest still have some cooking to do.
Perhaps Gettinger or Richards for strictly 4th duty if we run into a problem next season as well.
I don’t want to rush anyone, but I certainly don’t want to stunt Schneider or Jones development just because Lundkvist is here.
Both those guys are too important for the future.
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But teams that are near the top of the league with points (7 wins) in 8 of their last 10 games usually don't make changes barring an injury. I like Jones a lot but there is going to have to be an injury or the team starts having trouble before Jones gets a chance.
