Charlotte was always affiliated with Carolina in someway shape or form, as the current team came from Albany in 2010, and that's likely when the Rangers shifted to Greenville until a year ago, it actually was an Islanders franchise affiliate before New Jersey took over as they played at RPI, then transferred to the what is now the Times Union Center as the Albany River Rats.... Kahn bought the license from Walter Robb and CDS that season, supposedly, the ECHL version of the Checkers ceased operations
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Charlotte was always affiliated with Carolina in someway shape or form, as the current team came from Albany in 2010, and that's likely when the Rangers shifted to Greenville until a year ago, it actually was an Islanders franchise affiliate before New Jersey took over as they played at RPI, then transferred to the what is now the Times Union Center as the Albany River Rats.... Kahn bought the license from Walter Robb and CDS that season, supposedly, the ECHL version of the Checkers ceased operations
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The Checkers were the Albany River Rats and the affiliate of NJD. You're thinking of the Greenville Road Warriors, maybe?
the Rats weren't always the affiliate of the Devils, once NJ bought Lowell, AK, the 2 swapped affiliates and led to Carolina eventually relocating them in 2010, yes, the Devils did return to Albany with that affiliation, which is now in Binghamton, who also had the Rangers affiliation in the early to mid 90s
Don't get me started on why the Devils insist on using the same nickname throughout their organization.
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no worries, it's hard sometimes to follow, but to think Hartford is decended from the Rhode Island Reds(Providence) still might astound some folks
We had a four or five year affiliation with Charlotte (@bmoak used to provide us the updates IIRC) before switching to Greenville and then just recently, Maine. Which is a good situation for the farm teams as Maine to Hartford is obviously much better than Maine to Greenville.
We used to even have an affiliate in the old SPHL. The Wichita Thunder and Dayton Gems, I believe, were the two affiliates there. I believe we only sent two guys down there and of course, that was the end of their careers more or less.
We used to even have an affiliate in the old SPHL. The Wichita Thunder and Dayton Gems, I believe, were the two affiliates there. I believe we only sent two guys down there and of course, that was the end of their careers more or less.
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They were the Rangers ECHL affiliate before that. I know, because I saw Dan Girardi and Bruce Graham play there.
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My ears are burning! Charlotte was the Rangers ECHL affiliate from 1997-2010, when the AHL Checkers moved in. I think they shared with Boston the first few years. However, I didn't start paying attention to them until the lockout year. A friend of mine moved to Charlotte, and the Rangers had so many prospects come into the system at once that the Checkers would have 8+ guys from the Rangers system playing down there, often higher-profile prospects than you would normally see at an ECHL affiliate (Girardi, Jessiman, Pock, Helminen, Graham, Falardeau, Pottter, Bahensky, etc).
When Renney was running player development, he liked to think of the Checkers as an extension of the Wolfpack and would shuttle guys back and forth, thinking he would rather get kids playing time than sit them in the press box. The org worked with Charlotte office and staff, and the Pack and Checkers were ostensibly using the same system for a while.
When Renney was running player development, he liked to think of the Checkers as an extension of the Wolfpack and would shuttle guys back and forth, thinking he would rather get kids playing time than sit them in the press box. The org worked with Charlotte office and staff, and the Pack and Checkers were ostensibly using the same system for a while.
Hartford getting smoked 3-0. I feel bad for all those heathens down there that got left behind after the rapture.
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Admittedly, I know very little about the Rangers farm system and affiliated teams. Though I have read pieces of information that says our AHL affiliation is an absolute dumpster fire. They lack goalie coaches, prospects seem to flounder there, is any of this true? Seems pretty imperative that you need a healthy farm system if you want to rebuild properly.
Has it or can it improve?
Has it or can it improve?
The Rangers did hire additional goaltending help. That was an organizational issue, not really Hartford.
We've had plenty of guys go through Hartford, from Callahan and Anisimov to Kreider and Miller that have been just fine. Talbot as well. The problem is we constantly underperform as a team, the 4A guys often don't show up, and the more marginal prospects rarely turn into anything. Nieves is the best example in a long time of a marginal guy who came through. Most just stagnate. The really talented guys do fine, but the B- and C level guys have a hard time developing down there, it seems.
And we're often so bad, it seems to weigh on the players down there and prevent much development. That's my take.
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I don't think it's a mistake that the farm did better when they were coached by someone with near-NHL ability and legitimate NHL aspirations. John Paddock was a good coach for that level. Ryan McGill was a good coach for that level. These were guys that, at least in my memory, demanded that the players comport themselves as if they were NHLers. I never really got that from Gernander. I don't get that from McCambridge.
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Bruce Graham....another Quebec league draft that fizzled out on us like Antoine LaFleur and Chris Doyle from the PEI junior club . Safe to say we blew that 51st overall pick that season...never played a game in the NHL and now playing Senior hockey in New Brunswick .
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Pack ahead 3-2 about halfway through the 3rd tonight. Gropp, Ronning and Gilmour with the goals. Halverson in net.
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I remember seeing Graham as a rookie pro when his Hartford team played in Binghamton. He spent most of that season though in the ECHL. He was a big guy as in tall but skinny as a rail and he didn't hit people so much as push them. For all his size he seemed kind of weak.
Doyle ended up with legal problems. Badly beating up a girlfriend of his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend. I'm pretty sure he went to trial but I don't think he went to prison but if I remember rightly he was convicted of something. He was a guy I think a lot of people who were scouts or around the Q thought underachieved for the talent he had--that he was too cocky and had character issues and didn't work hard enough/kind of coasted on his talent or put another way he was his own worst enemy.
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Wilkes-Barre ties it up late on the powerplay. Halverson must have shot the puck into the stands.
Pack have a lot of the same issues the Rangers have of not closing out games and either losing them late or letting the other tie and take them to OT.
Pack have a lot of the same issues the Rangers have of not closing out games and either losing them late or letting the other tie and take them to OT.
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Friday night was an awful showing for Hartford. Springfield had the jump on them from the get-go. Not really much to rave about, TBH....
I thought Day was the best player on the team that night. Was solid in all three zones and got a lot of shots on net. Gilmour was the next best moving all over the ice with the puck, very noticeable. Fogarty was everywhere, but I don't think he'll gain much attention for an NHL gig, though. There were a lot of opportunities for him to burry the puck and he just got "stone-hands". Fontaine was okay, wanted to see more from him. Same with Lettieri, Gettinger and Ronning. Pretty positive Lindgren was a scratch. Never saw him on the ice once.
The rest of Hartford was shit. Bergman is a waste of a pickup. Already sealed his fate to Sweden next year. Halverson was very bad. It almost seemed like he was an extra defenseman out there and not in the good way. Spent a lot of time out of the net and showing off his stick handling skills rather than stopping much of anything. To his credit, there was zero crease clearance by his defenders. None of their gritty tough guys even tried to get their team's spirits up. For context, my girlfriend and I sat right next to the Springfield penalty box. I remember screaming through a slit between the plexiglass at Beleskey to drop the gloves so the team could get a rise in momentum. Message not received, smh. Worst player of them all was Gropp. So unengaged without the puck and, more surprising, even with it!! He tried to dangle around defenders and it just didn't work.
TBH, nothing in that game went Hartford's way. The PP and PK are brutal. One set up and that's the PP. Rangers upper management need to move on from McCambridge....
We were gonna go to tonight's game in Hartford (vs Wilkes-Barre), but decided that this game sucked so bad, we'd be better off saving the $50+ dollars....
Edit: Forgot to mention Darren Raddysh, as I also felt he had a fine game. I remember one sequence on a PP where he passed it to Day along the blueline, the two swapped spots and as Day passed to the wing Raddysh started skating toward the net for a quick pass by the wing. He got it off quick, but Dreidger stopped it. Not a bad duo of Day-Raddysh!!
I thought Day was the best player on the team that night. Was solid in all three zones and got a lot of shots on net. Gilmour was the next best moving all over the ice with the puck, very noticeable. Fogarty was everywhere, but I don't think he'll gain much attention for an NHL gig, though. There were a lot of opportunities for him to burry the puck and he just got "stone-hands". Fontaine was okay, wanted to see more from him. Same with Lettieri, Gettinger and Ronning. Pretty positive Lindgren was a scratch. Never saw him on the ice once.
The rest of Hartford was shit. Bergman is a waste of a pickup. Already sealed his fate to Sweden next year. Halverson was very bad. It almost seemed like he was an extra defenseman out there and not in the good way. Spent a lot of time out of the net and showing off his stick handling skills rather than stopping much of anything. To his credit, there was zero crease clearance by his defenders. None of their gritty tough guys even tried to get their team's spirits up. For context, my girlfriend and I sat right next to the Springfield penalty box. I remember screaming through a slit between the plexiglass at Beleskey to drop the gloves so the team could get a rise in momentum. Message not received, smh. Worst player of them all was Gropp. So unengaged without the puck and, more surprising, even with it!! He tried to dangle around defenders and it just didn't work.
TBH, nothing in that game went Hartford's way. The PP and PK are brutal. One set up and that's the PP. Rangers upper management need to move on from McCambridge....
We were gonna go to tonight's game in Hartford (vs Wilkes-Barre), but decided that this game sucked so bad, we'd be better off saving the $50+ dollars....
Edit: Forgot to mention Darren Raddysh, as I also felt he had a fine game. I remember one sequence on a PP where he passed it to Day along the blueline, the two swapped spots and as Day passed to the wing Raddysh started skating toward the net for a quick pass by the wing. He got it off quick, but Dreidger stopped it. Not a bad duo of Day-Raddysh!!
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Mariners take 5 OUT OF 6 in their lone trip out West in WVC, Utah , lose 4-3 in OT in game 3
Gropp has quietly had a really solid season, production is good given his role and underlying numbers look pretty good.
Ty Ronning has amazing underlying numbers though obvious sample size warning there.
Ty Ronning has amazing underlying numbers though obvious sample size warning there.
Joey B: Sounds like you picked the wrong game to go to as the Wolfpack won last night and Gropp was the number 1 star with two goals including the game winner in overtime.
Some posters seem to give up on players very quickly but we have to realize that we are dealing with young men who still are maturing. Although I wouldn't bet on it I still think there is hope for Day and Gropp. I wonder how they would do in a more positive environment. I haven't seen enough to join the get rid of McCambridge parade but I am standing close by.
Some posters seem to give up on players very quickly but we have to realize that we are dealing with young men who still are maturing. Although I wouldn't bet on it I still think there is hope for Day and Gropp. I wonder how they would do in a more positive environment. I haven't seen enough to join the get rid of McCambridge parade but I am standing close by.
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The Mariners somehow managed to blow a game to a depleted Utah team that could only ice 13 skaters, and then had another guy get tossed with a game misconduct halfway through the second period. Utah converted on their power play chances and Maine, even with a five-minute major PP, had the oh-fer. The other night, the Mariners went an astonishing 0 for 12 against Utah, but still won.
Granted, the Mariners blueline corps has been picked clean (and not just by the Pack) of anyone with puck-moving skills and they are basically a one-line team up front right now. Unlike the Rangers and the Pack, the Mariners are still fighting for a playoff spot, and fans in Portland would probably appreciate it if the Pack sent down some of their dead weight/healthy scratch ECHL level players like Tolkinen, St. Amant, and Leedahl.
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Yeah, definitely the wrong game. Springfield was inferior from the jump....
Like I've said before, one game really doesn't merit much for development. Some players just have bad games, but it was really obvious he was off on all acounts Friday night. Glad to see he rebounded from that awful showing, though!!
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Graham should have stayed in juniors for his overage year. He was one of, if not the, youngest players in his draft year, and the youngest player in the ECHL his rookie year. If he stayed in the Q the extra year, he would have been the 1C on a Memorial Cup winner coached by Ted Nolan with Brad Marchand as a linemate. The guy had trouble keeping weight on, and got mono his rookie season and lost a lot of weight and strength.
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