Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) / Maine Mariners (ECHL) 2018-19: Part IX

[Osminator]

2018-11-19	Ty Ronning (RW)	Hartford	DEL	Reassigned by NY Rangers (NHL) to Maine (ECHL)
2018-11-19	Shawn St. Amant (RW)	Hartford	ADD	Recalled from loan to Maine (ECHL)
2018-11-19	Terrence Wallin (F)	Hartford	ADD	Signed to PTO

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[ManUtdTobbe]

Ronning wasn't given a fair shake imo, in an out (mostly out) of the lineup and almost exclusively on the 4th line with limited TOI... From my viewings he wasn't playing poorly either, not lighting it up but he wasn't bad. Gotta give the kids a chance to succeed.

 

[JimmyG89]

Ronning wasn't given a fair shake imo, in an out (mostly out) of the lineup and almost exclusively on the 4th line with limited TOI... From my viewings he wasn't playing poorly either, not lighting it up but he wasn't bad. Gotta give the kids a chance to succeed.

He's going to play in the ECHL at least. If he lights it up, he'll be back in Hartford.

Once we start moving forwards out in the NHL (Hayes, Zuke and possibly others), He'll get back into the AHL. There are ideally 3 NHL forward spots to fill at some point in the next few months (McLeod is included in this). Callups are going to happen.

 

[nyr2k2]

I would think that if they saw a player in practice that warranted a spot in the lineup, he'd get it.

Tobbe is right in that his TOI was limited, but in the two games I caught him, I don't think he even came close to registering a SOG.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

This was mentioned on Twitter, it was the Rangers that made the executive decision to send Ronning to Maine. They want him to play more so they took it upon themselves to send him to maine to gain confidence.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I would think that if they saw a player in practice that warranted a spot in the lineup, he'd get it.

Tobbe is right in that his TOI was limited, but in the two games I caught him, I don't think he even came close to registering a SOG.

12 SOG in 8 games is pretty good considering we know his TOI was limited.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

This was mentioned on Twitter, it was the Rangers that made the executive decision to send Ronning to Maine. They want him to play more so they took it upon themselves to send him to maine to gain confidence.

Apparently they word it like that whenever a player contracted to NYR is sent down, i too thought it meant more then it did at first.

 

[nyr2k2]

The GM of Hartford is an AGM for the Rangers, so I always kinda of assume that moves involving Rangers property, the Rangers at least have input. Like I don't see Drury demoting guys without some sort of conversation.

 

[nyr2k2]

12 SOG in 8 games is pretty good considering we know his TOI was limited.

Maybe. Just kinda looked "there" to me. McCambridge has done a great job finding time for all the kids. Ronning has been the only one to not really find a regular role.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Maybe. Just kinda looked "there" to me. McCambridge has done a great job finding time for all the kids. Ronning has been the only one to not really find a regular role.

I think he's done an OK job, not great. He's still played that all vet top line for most of the games and some other things, he's a biiiig improvement over Gernander but he can still improve.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think he's done an OK job, not great. He's still played that all vet top line for most of the games and some other things, he's a biiiig improvement over Gernander but he can still improve.

I think he's done really well. The all-vet top line isn't a constant, but yes, it is played a lot. But--he has put the kids in a situation to succeed. Fontaine, Meskanen, Gettinger; Lindqvist, Fogarty, and Andersson when they were here, all had legitimate and important roles and have been productive. Even Gropp has been not completely worthless and is still given opportunities to thrive including some PP time.

Defensively it's a little harder given the numbers. There are a lot of guys competing for time, but he seems to balance it fine. Lindgren and Hajek are really the two you want getting time, and they definitely do, especially Hajek. Bigras I guess, too, and he obviously plays a ton as the de facto #1. The only one I guess you'd like to have seen more of was Day, but like Ronning he's probably just not ready yet.

As an actual coach, I don't know, the Pack still have a ton of breakdowns. Part of it is a young defense, part of it has been awful goaltending, but part is clearly coaching. I was mainly talking about his player usage when I said he's doing a great job; overall it's probably "acceptable" or something like that. Definitely better than Company Man Ken, as you said.

 

[Ola]

Yeah, i Think Gilmour suffers there, his mistakes are noticeable, so even if he makes less mistakes then others they're easy to remember, that's how the memory works… He's much better at defending then he's made out to be though.

That is a fair point.

And sometimes I am not even sure that many plays even should be labeled as mistakes. If you make a low margin play, it’s per definition a play that will be broken up at times. You count on a player not being able to get their stick on a hard pass besides them, you count on a player not being able too strip you, well sometimes they do. It’s in the definition. You take a calculated risk. When that risk materialize, is it a mistake?

I have no problems with Gilmours give aways. I’ve never been a big mistakes-hang-up guy, not when it comes to give aways.

From my POV, what Gilmour does really well is get the puck up ice fast, so fast that it disturbs the other team. Defensively he plays with a lot of speed and is aggressive. That is where I see the real mistakes happen. He skates hard into a forward and ‘ops’ the defender was a bit more steady than he thought and just turns DG away, stuff like that.

But like the conclusion I draw when I watch the NHL right now is that speed really kills. And it’s just so much better to have flawed, inconsistent speed with whatever warts there is rather than the opposite. And Gilmour isn’t just fast, he really plays the game with speed. Havoc creates goals. And when someone like Gilmour just flies out of the zone with the speed he has — it just creates a bit havoc every time. And he isn’t taking big curves around guys either, partying with himself if he gets open ice, he is consistently making those speedy break out plays under pretty heavy pressure.

I wouldn’t mind at all to see Gilmour in the NHL again.

 

[egelband]

That is a fair point.

And sometimes I am not even sure that many plays even should be labeled as mistakes. If you make a low margin play, it’s per definition a play that will be broken up at times. You count on a player not being able to get their stick on a hard pass besides them, you count on a player not being able too strip you, well sometimes they do. It’s in the definition. You take a calculated risk. When that risk materialize, is it a mistake?

Exactly. This is a pet peeve of mine. People jumping on every g-d play that doesn’t work. There are so many factors deciding whether a play is successful. First and foremost, the other players on both teams. Bad ice. Idiot refs. Weird boards. Thank you. Hockey is the sport with the most randomness. That’s what the Eye Test can suss-out.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Yeah, Gilmour plays at a super high pace, sometimes such a high pace his teammates can't keep up actually.

 

[Edge]

That is a fair point.

And sometimes I am not even sure that many plays even should be labeled as mistakes. If you make a low margin play, it’s per definition a play that will be broken up at times. You count on a player not being able to get their stick on a hard pass besides them, you count on a player not being able too strip you, well sometimes they do. It’s in the definition. You take a calculated risk. When that risk materialize, is it a mistake?

I have no problems with Gilmours give aways. I’ve never been a big mistakes-hang-up guy, not when it comes to give aways.

From my POV, what Gilmour does really well is get the puck up ice fast, so fast that it disturbs the other team. Defensively he plays with a lot of speed and is aggressive. That is where I see the real mistakes happen. He skates hard into a forward and ‘ops’ the defender was a bit more steady than he thought and just turns DG away, stuff like that.

But like the conclusion I draw when I watch the NHL right now is that speed really kills. And it’s just so much better to have flawed, inconsistent speed with whatever warts there is rather than the opposite. And Gilmour isn’t just fast, he really plays the game with speed. Havoc creates goals. And when someone like Gilmour just flies out of the zone with the speed he has — it just creates a bit havoc every time. And he isn’t taking big curves around guys either, partying with himself if he gets open ice, he is consistently making those speedy break out plays under pretty heavy pressure.

I wouldn’t mind at all to see Gilmour in the NHL again.

Gilmour strikes me as the type of guy who does well in the AHL, but for one reason or another always finds himself behind an established NHL player, or a prized younger talent, or some other roadblock.

But he also strikes me as the type who could find a home on the right team at age 26 or 27 and everyone comments on why he isn't playing for us.

He just has that kind of vibe to him.

 

[Ola]

Gilmour strikes me as the type of guy who does well in the AHL, but for one reason or another always finds himself behind an established NHL player, or a prized younger talent, or some other roadblock.

But he also strikes me as the type who could find a home on the right team at age 26 or 27 and everyone comments on why he isn't playing for us.

He just has that kind of vibe to him.

Yeah, and the biggest curse is probably the LD curse. Like which team in this league doesn’t have depth at LD? There are probably 25 teams with 4 solid options on the left side and 28 teams that is kind of gazing at the opportunity to ad a RD.

Sometimes you just need to catch a break. I think it’s generally assumed that you make your own fortune and what not, but so much is also just plain random and circumstantial. Sometimes a kid gets a break at the right times and other times someone breaks a foot or whatever at the exact time they needed that break. The outcome 4-5 years, or 10-15 years, down the road can probably differ pretty darn match between those, albeit extreme, scenarios.

Hopefully Gilmour will get one.

 

[Ola]

Yeah, Gilmour plays at a super high pace, sometimes such a high pace his teammates can't keep up actually.

For sure, and like the game is changing. In ten years I think a few different type of player types will have established themselves in this league. Go back 10 years and we had not even remotely seen anyone like Erik Karlsson our there before and basically no true top notch PMD since the mid 90s. The top scoring Ds went from being guys like Coffey, Leetch and the likes to being McCabe, Souray and Co.

Now if you see a kid like say an Adam Boqvist — it’s not a mystery ‘what’ he potentially can become, ie a player like Erik Karlsson. Go back ten years and the answer to that question would be much more ‘eh who knows, he can play hockey but...’ And that will of course help the development of Adam Boqvist a lot, having a clear path behind of him and it doesn’t really matter that he likely will fall a bit short, the poormans version works too.

And this doesn’t just apply at the highest level. In the same way player types will break ground and set precedents at less prominent positions too. All of a sudden you have a Sam Girardi playing a big role for a cup winner and everyone figures out how a talent like him can be used.

What is my point with all this? When I see Gilmour I see someone who does have a lot of hockey in him — but I am not quite sure how he can be used in the NHL the best way? He isn’t elite from the blueline and in. Skating must be a huge part of his game.

 

[nyr2k2]

Pack 3-3 going to OT. Meskanen had a primary assist; otherwise, all the scoring came from non-prospects, other than maybe a secondary helper for Bigras.

 

[nyr2k2]

Lettieri wins it in OT.

 

[Irishguy42]

Lettieri wins it in OT.

Tokarski gets the assist, ha.

 

[Ranger Ric]

The ahl transactions list has Vince Petrie being dropped by the Wolfpack.

 

[Osminator]

The ahl transactions list has Vince Petrie being dropped by the Wolfpack.

Pedrie sent to Maine of the ECHL

 

[cwede]

Pedrie sent to Maine of the ECHL

maybe Day is coming back, or another somebody being signed to PTO,
it is not typical for HWP to only have 6 D on roster

could also be McQuaid on rehab but i don't recall reading he was close ...

 

[nyr2k2]

They could also theoretically bring up another ECHL defender on loan. Maine has received probably as much offense from their defenders as from their forwards. So like they brought up Wallin the other day, they could bring up a Maine defender. If they do bring someone up it's probably Day, but who knows.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Whoops, wrong thread.