Hart Trophy Talk: MacKinnon, Malkin, Kucherov the Early Favorites, Scoring at Highest Rates By Far.

[Arrhizal]

You should give it a rest with your McDavid propping. He should get the Lindsay and Art Ross. Not the Hart.

 

[hockeyguy1967]

Heres why:

Oilers without McDavid - bottom 5
Oilers with McDavid - bottom 10

Devils without Hall - bottom 5
Devils with Hall - playoff team

Kings without Kopitar - bottom 10
Kings with Kopitar - possible playoff team

Avalanche without MacKinnon - bottom 10
Avalanche with MacKinnon - possible playoff team

And so it continues

Thats why IMO. MVP isnt just best on their team - it also matters how big of an influence they have on their teams end position in the standings

Thats why Hall deserves it IMO. Largest point gap (36 up on Hischier), probably breaks 90, and carried his team to first playoff birth in five years.

How the heck can you say all that. How does Hall carry his team more then McDavid would? McDavid has much more points. Points=Goals scored.

I would say without McDavid, Oilers would be historicly the worst team ever in the NHL, just by his point contribution which is the highest in the NHL by far.

If one player could carry there team to the playoffs then McDavid would have, he has the most points in the NHL and is a pretty big plus on a huge negative goal differental team. The only position that can carry a team to the playoffs and in the playoffs is a goaltender.

I am looking forward to seeing the Hart votes made public this year so we can see who makes total homer votes like the ones last year for Matthews.

 

[Kranix]

It's McDavid or Mackinnon. Seriously. The Hart is a stupid trophy, but making the playoffs are never mentioned in it's vaguely worded criteria.

 

[Beukeboom]

If Colorado miss the playoffs then there is no reason to give it to MacK. Heck then there is no argument for him over McDavid.

 

[SotasicA]

It's interesting because imo the top three Hart candidates (MacKinnon, Hall & Kopitar) are all in a desperate struggle for a playoff spot. The one who manages to steer their team clear might win it all just based on that.

 

[GOilers88]

You should give it a rest with your McDavid propping. He should get the Lindsay and Art Ross. Not the Hart.

Nobody is propping him up. Everything he has done speaks for itself. He wouldn't be the one I'd give it to either, I just think it's crazy that people are saying he doesn't deserve it because the rest of the team sucks, even though he meets the vague criteria better than anyone else in the league. Nobody in the NHL is more individually valuable to their team than he is to Edmonton. That's just a fact.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If Colorado misses the playoffs, the Hart voters will be put in a quandary.

The obvious four names are MacKinnon, McDavid, Malkin, and Mucherov (had to stick with the 'M' theme). But the former two aren't on playoff teams, and the latter two are considered to be on "stacked" teams.

So the voters will have to decide whether making the playoffs or not playing on a stacked team is more important for determining MVP.

Unless they throw a curveball and vote for Taylor Hall. But the problem there is Hall's just so far down the scoring race that it's probably not likely.

 

[hockeyguy1967]

I don't really understand this. If the award should go to a player that carried his team to the playoffs that applies to Giroux though to a lesser extent than Hall or MacK but then Kucherov and McDavid shouldn't be considered. If it's strictly about numbers then McDavid and Kuch should be on top but Giroux should be above Hall. Giroux has 3 less points than Kucherov while playing on a team that has 40 less goals. Giroux has had a point on 40% of his teams goals and I believe McDavid is the only player with a higher percentage.

I get both sides but it seems silly that someone that meets both criteria shouldn't also be included. If people want pure production then McDavid or Kuch should win. If people want someone that's dragging their team into the playoffs then Hall or MacK should win. Is there no room for someone who has the raw production of a top 3 scorer and is also the main reason their team is in the playoff picture?

Some of the higher % of Points is
Giroux = 40%
McDavid = 46%
Gaudreau = 41%
Kopitar = 39%

 

[Ainec]

kucherov if mack and thall misses

looks like devs will get in so ima go with thall

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

How the heck can you say all that. How does Hall carry his team more then McDavid would? McDavid has much more points. Points=Goals scored.

I would say without McDavid, Oilers would be historicly the worst team ever in the NHL, just by his point contribution which is the highest in the NHL by far.

If one player could carry there team to the playoffs then McDavid would have, he has the most points in the NHL and is a pretty big plus on a huge negative goal differental team. The only position that can carry a team to the playoffs and in the playoffs is a goaltender.

I am looking forward to seeing the Hart votes made public this year so we can see who makes total homer votes like the ones last year for Matthews.

What a crap post this is.

You should be ashamed. McDavid took he Oilers from leafue worst to bottom 10 - what an accomplishment lmfao

What a joke

 

[xIronLore]

Four times a player has been awarded the Hart without making the playoffs. I don't see why that shouldn't be allowed to happen again.

I think for a player to win without making the playoffs, he'd have to be substantially better than other candidates. McDavid unfortunately hasn't been this year.

 

[TOGuy14]

How the heck can you say all that. How does Hall carry his team more then McDavid would? McDavid has much more points. Points=Goals scored.

I would say without McDavid, Oilers would be historicly the worst team ever in the NHL, just by his point contribution which is the highest in the NHL by far.

If one player could carry there team to the playoffs then McDavid would have, he has the most points in the NHL and is a pretty big plus on a huge negative goal differental team. The only position that can carry a team to the playoffs and in the playoffs is a goaltender.

I am looking forward to seeing the Hart votes made public this year so we can see who makes total homer votes like the ones last year for Matthews.

Huh?

Matthews finished 11th in Hart voting last year, which seems perfectly fine for a 40G top line C who lead his team to the playoffs?

He received two 3rd place votes, one 4th place vote and four 5th place votes. Not exactly some sort of homer conspiracy theory by Toronto sports media.

Why are Oiler fans so insecure? Why do they feel that McDavid needs to win every award or it is a slight against their players, franchise and town? People are saying that he deserves the Ross and the Lindsay and just stating the obvious that his impact to team success isn't that great this year despite his gaudy point totals

 

[MattySnipes]

McDavid is the most valuable to his team this year.

Even though the Hart hasn't been awarded to a player on a team that didn't make the playoffs since 87-88, it has happened.

By the 1987–88 season, fuelled by his Canada Cup experience, Lemieux scored 168 points and won his first NHL scoring title. He also won his first Hart Memorial Trophy as the league's Most Valuable Player to his team. Despite Lemieux's success, the Penguins finished one point out of the playoffs.

So, yes - McDavid can definitely win it - no matter how rare or uncommon it has been. I understand the whole playoffs argument and that's what a lot of analysts and fans are preaching but that is not listed anywhere in the criteria to win the Hart.

I choose McDavid.

 

[McFlash97]

What? Giroux has definitely had a season at the level of those guys.

If your looking at most valuable to their team.

Explain how Giroux is more valuable then Hall to Jersey. Please do.

 

[HenrikW]

Another thread where barely none is mentioning Kopitar. I'm glad HF board isn't the ones voting

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

McDavid is the most valuable to his team this year.

Even though the Hart hasn't been awarded to a player on a team that didn't make the playoffs since 87-88, it has happened.



So, yes - McDavid can definitely win it - no matter how rare or uncommon it has been. I understand the whole playoffs argument and that's what a lot of analysts and fans are preaching but that is not listed anywhere in the criteria to win the Hart.

I choose McDavid.

Thatd the Lindsay

You are getting two awards mixed up. McDavid is not more valuable to his tram than players with larger point gaps carryin their teams to playoffs

While McDavid is golfing others are playing. Maybe he should have carried harder

 

[Chet Manley]

I think for a player to win without making the playoffs, he'd have to be substantially better than other candidates. McDavid unfortunately hasn't been this year.

The strange thing is that McDavid is far superior to the version of him that won the Hart last season with a lesser supporting cast. Better defensively, better at EVs. Arguably more important to his team than last season. Not advocating he win it, just strange how he is better than the guy who won it the season before but doesn't stand a chance for this individual performance award.

 

[MattySnipes]

Thatd the Lindsay

You are getting two awards mixed up. McDavid is not more valuable to his tram than players with larger point gaps carryin their teams to playoffs

While McDavid is golfing others are playing. Maybe he should have carried harder

I'm not getting anything mixed up dude. It's pretty simple to understand. Lemieux won his Hart trophy in a year they missed the playoffs by 1 point. Whether you miss by 1 point or 20 points - missing is missing. Now I understand that this was a long time ago, but the criteria to win the Hart has never changed. Making the playoffs is not a requirement to win the Hart. That's why I choose McDavid. I am well aware there a bunch of other guys in the conversation with their respective teams in the playoffs (Hall, Kopitar, etc).

 

[Arrhizal]

4 times it went to a non playoff player in almost a hundered years. Yes, let's cling to that.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

Is it possible for the Hart Trophy to be awarded to nobody? Feel like that’s the only way to keep everyone happy.

Maybe we can have participation trophies for everyone?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I'm not getting anything mixed up dude. It's pretty simple to understand. Lemieux won his Hart trophy in a year they missed the playoffs by 1 point. Whether you miss by 1 point or 20 points - missing is missing. Now I understand that this was a long time ago, but the criteria to win the Hart has never changed. Making the playoffs is not a requirement to win the Hart. That's why I choose McDavid. I am well aware there a bunch of other guys in the conversation with their respective teams in the playoffs (Hall, Kopitar, etc).

Most points award is the Art Ross

McDavid scored 100 and his tram didnt go anywhere so he deserves no votes for the Hart. He will win the Lindsay and Ross so thats it, thats all he deserves

 

[GOilers88]

Thatd the Lindsay

You are getting two awards mixed up. McDavid is not more valuable to his tram than players with larger point gaps carryin their teams to playoffs

While McDavid is golfing others are playing. Maybe he should have carried harder

How does he do more? I do t even understand that. It's pretty clear that the Devil's, Kings, Av's and Bolts are all way better teams as a whole than the Oilers. This is not a sport where one player,especially a forward, can single handedly carry his whole team into the playoffs. People saying that MacK and Hall and Kopitar have done it are fooling themselves. They actually have supporting casts that are superior to what Edmonton has.

 

[MattySnipes]

Most points award is the Art Ross

McDavid scored 100 and his tram didnt go anywhere so he deserves no votes for the Hart. He will win the Lindsay and Ross so thats it, thats all he deserves

I'm not talking about most points. This thread is about the Hart trophy lol

Again, Mario won his first Hart trophy in 87-88 season while missing the playoffs by 1 point, furthermore his point totals that year were 168 points (70G, 98A in 77 GP) so he finished 1st in scoring as well and picked up the Art Ross.

Are you following?

 

[Kranix]

Most points award is the Art Ross

McDavid scored 100 and his tram didnt go anywhere so he deserves no votes for the Hart. He will win the Lindsay and Ross so thats it, thats all he deserves

This.
McDavid is no where near as skilled or valuable as Toews, who thrice single-handedly willed the Blackhawks to Stanley Cup victories. He's not even as valuable as Alex Steen, who was a top scorer on St Louis, leading them into the playoffs for like 6 consecutive seasons.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Everyone is so upset

Its okay guys, McDavid cant win every award every year. There are 5-10 guys ahead of him for the Hart.