Proposal: Hansen for Sheary, Fehr, and a 2nd

[Dipsy Doodle]

Classic quantity for quality deal, but I think it makes some sense here.

While the Pens get the best player in the deal who can play up and down the line-up, the Canucks get Cup-winning depth in a young forward who looked good on Sid's wing prior to the Wilson cheap shot, a veteran in Fehr who can replace some of Hansen's PKing and versatility, and a pretty good draft pick.

Pens get their best chance to repeat over the next 2 years, and Vancouver can still sell the idea that they're trying to make the playoffs while building for the future.

The proposal's just a framework, so I'm open to tweaking.

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[Devil Dancer]

Easy pass for Pittsburgh.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Easy pass for Pittsburgh.

How so?

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Seems like a lot from Pittsburgh. I'd keep Sheary, he's cheap production.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

That is too much for Hansen.

I mean I think Sheary and Fehr would have to go, but that 2nd, that's too much to add in for the deal, 2 of them should be enough.

Hansen did score 22 goals last season, but he's also very inconsistent offensivenly and save the "But he would score X amount with Sid or Geno!!" well that's not a guarantee either. He's also 30yrs old, I mean at least with Sheary, we might have a guy that can produce as much as Hansen, it's Fehr that most of us are ok seeing go (I'd rather keep Cullen).

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I think it's worth putting up the Pens current depth chart here:

Sheary - Crosby - Hornqvist
Kunitz - Malkin - Rust
Hagelin - Bonino - Kessel
Kuhnhackl - Sundqvist - Fehr

That's not an ideal set of wingers for Geno over the course of a full year. Hansen would give him some established production who can pull his own weight. We also have Scott Wilson coming back from injury who looked good with Sid in his limited opportunity and deserves a place somewhere in the line-up. Fehr's a good player but a little miscast on the 4th line.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

That is too much for Hansen.

I mean I think Sheary and Fehr would have to go, but that 2nd, that's too much to add in for the deal, 2 of them should be enough.

Hansen did score 22 goals last season, but he's also very inconsistent offensivenly and save the "But he would score X amount with Sid or Geno!!" well that's not a guarantee either. He's also 30yrs old, I mean at least with Sheary, we might have a guy that can produce as much as Hansen, it's Fehr that most of us are ok seeing go (I'd rather keep Cullen).

Hansen's more consistent over the last 2 years than Hagelin's been, and the two are similar players. That's no guarantee that Hansen would have similar success here, but I'm more than willing to take that chance considering the type of player he is and the style we play.

Hansen's contract is such a deal, and he's such a well-rounded player, that even if he didn't end up tearing up the scoresheet we wouldn't come out badly on the trade. Even in a down year he's worth 2.5 mil per.

 

[mpp9]

Too early to sell Sheary away. Id need to see what he looks like this season before moving him for a more known commodity.

And Id love to get Hansen. Would fit in just about perfectly. But it's not out of the realm of possibility Sheary could match his production next year at like 670k. And still get better.

 

[Tryamkin]

He isn't inconsistent at all.

His value to us is 1st+small prospect because he's so valuable to the team. Like a Tanev. We wouldn't trade him unless we got that and it doesn't make sense for a team to dole out a 1st+prospect for Hansen when they could find someone with better offensive production for the same price.

 

[Raimu]

I'm never one for just selling off a bunch of pieces that just won you a cup, so, this one is a big "Y tho"?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I really didn't think I'd see this much opposition from the Pens side, haha.

I'd be interested to hear what Canucks fans have to say.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I think it's worth putting up the Pens current depth chart here:

Sheary - Crosby - Hornqvist
Kunitz - Malkin - Rust
Hagelin - Bonino - Kessel
Kuhnhackl - Sundqvist - Fehr

That's not an ideal set of wingers for Geno over the course of a full year. Hansen would give him some established production who can pull his own weight. We also have Scott Wilson coming back from injury who looked good with Sid in his limited opportunity and deserves a place somewhere in the line-up. Fehr's a good player but a little miscast on the 4th line.

That's why you alternate between Sheary, Rust, Wilson and Kuhnhackl to play next to Crosby or Malkin. You simply play the hotter players. If Guentzel and Simon have strong showings I can see them competing for the spots too.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

That's why you alternate between Sheary, Rust, Wilson and Kuhnhackl to play next to Crosby or Malkin. You simply play the hotter players. If Guentzel and Simon have strong showings I can see them competing for the spots too.

Well, I'm sure that's the plan as things stand. But I'd feel better about our team if we had a more established scoring line presence on Malkin's line, and Hansen fits like a glove.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Hansen's more consistent over the last 2 years than Hagelin's been, and the two are similar players. That's no guarantee that Hansen would have similar success here, but I'm more than willing to take that chance considering the type of player he is and the style we play.

Hansen's contract is such a deal, and he's such a well-rounded player, that even if he didn't end up tearing up the scoresheet we wouldn't come out badly on the trade. Even in a down year he's worth 2.5 mil per.

You're wrong.

Hagelin has been a consistent 30+ winger the last 3 seasons straight. Hansen hasn't been that at all. As a matter of fact, Hagelin has put up 30+ in all but 1 season in the NHL, last year when the Ducks dumped him off, he found his game again and finished with a total of 39pts wih the Ducks & Pens.

Hansen the last 3yrs: 20, 33, 38.
Hagelin the last 3yrs: 33, 35, 39.

Again, I think he's worth Sheary & Fehr most likely, but I think the 2nd is over kill.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

He isn't inconsistent at all.

His value to us is 1st+small prospect because he's so valuable to the team. Like a Tanev. We wouldn't trade him unless we got that and it doesn't make sense for a team to dole out a 1st+prospect for Hansen when they could find someone with better offensive production for the same price.

The value of him to the team is one thing.

A 1st and a small prospect is so insanely laughable...you are bordering on the Oilers and the "Bro, you couldn't even get Hemsky for Jordan Staal!"

 

[mpp9]

We can't spare another 1st. Maybe Pouliot if he's gonna be sent back to WBS and we have Warsofsky as our #7.

Not an ideal return on an 8th overall pick, but Hansen could help quite a bit the next 2 years.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

You're wrong.

How exactly has Hagelin been more consistent than Hansen over the past 2 years?

Hagelin played so poorly in Anaheim that he was on pace for 20 points and his team saw him as expendable.

Hagelin has been a consistent 30+ winger the last 3 seasons straight. Hansen hasn't been that at all. As a matter of fact, Hagelin has put up 30+ in all but 1 season in the NHL, last year when the Ducks dumped him off, he found his game again and finished with a total of 39pts wih the Ducks & Pens.

Good thing that wasn't what I said then? I'm not sure why you're trying to correct me using a different time frame than the one I stated.

Bottom line is that Hansen has been a consistent producer. He was on pace for less than 30 points exactly once over the last 5 years.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

We can't spare another 1st. Maybe Pouliot if he's gonna be sent back to WBS and we have Warsofsky as our #7.

Not an ideal return on an 8th overall pick, but Hansen could help quite a bit the next 2 years.

Pouliot will be sent to WBS, and that will be the best thing for us being able to retain him past next year's expansion draft. Trading him would be a mistake.

 

[Call me betty*]

I don't wanna get rid of a young untapped potential who played great for us in the finals.. This is too much from Pittsburgh. Hansen isn't worth all this.

 

[Black Noise]

It's not bad value wise but management definitely wouldn't do it.

I'd rather just keep Hansen as we have enough Bottom 6 forwards as it is.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

How exactly has Hagelin been more consistent than Hansen over the past 2 years?

Hagelin played so poorly in Anaheim that he was on pace for 20 points and his team saw him as expendable.



Good thing that wasn't what I said then? I'm not sure why you're trying to correct me using a different time frame than the one I stated.

Bottom line is that Hansen has been a consistent producer. He was on pace for less than 30 points exactly once over the last 5 years.

You said more consistent than Hagelin the last 2yrs, which you were wrong about.

That's all.


And yeah, if the Canucks are continuing to live in fantasy fairy land like Benning, good luck getting a 1st and whatever for Hansen.

 

[Jumptheshark]

OveR value Hanson much

 

[SEALBound]

Pass as of right now.

1. I wanna see Sheary and Wilson in camp and pre-season and even a few RS games before I make any plans to move either.

2. I don't like giving up the 2nd. We can't do that anymore.

3. Hansen would be nice but at $2.5mil...I dunno, I'd rather see what Sheary does at $667k

 

[Cquant]

Value seems about right to me. It's a little less than I might expect for Hansen. But as mentioned before, the pieces coming back are all bottom 6. We currently have a lot of pieces battling for spots and Benning is trying to get another winger for the top 6.
This trade would mean we'd have to send Virtanen back for sure and would probably mean we would need to get rid of a forward.

We have our bottom 6 gritty forward in Dorsett. Fehr I think basically has negative value in the sense that he is taking Virtanen/Rodin's spot, bad for development.
Sheary is a nice piece but very undersized. We would be the most fragile team in the West. The second is what I'd be interested in most.

So all in all, value seems right but I just don't understand why we would do this unless we are rebuilding, which doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

You said more consistent than Hagelin the last 2yrs, which you were wrong about.

That's all.


And yeah, if the Canucks are continuing to live in fantasy fairy land like Benning, good luck getting a 1st and whatever for Hansen.

No, I wasn't. Hansen was never performing as poorly over the last two years as Hagelin was during his stint with the Ducks. If he had been, he'd have been trade bait, like Hagelin was.

Why don't you ask Ducks fans about Hagelin during his stint, and Canucks fans about how Hansen has performed over the past 2 years?