Hanifin Or Marner?

[Auston Matthews]

Guys, Marner is 17 years old. He still has time to grow

 

[agropop]

I'm assuming Arizona takes Hanifin or Strome, and I'm more than happy to take whoever they don't.

 

[Bernier the Boats]

Can somebody please explain the case against Mitch Marner? For the life of me, I don't understand how he can be ranked #5.

 

[Trapper]

Guys, Marner is 17 years old. He still has time to grow

I think it's moot. Marner is not getting to us.
Strome/Hanifin.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I think it's moot. Marner is not getting to us.
Strome/Hanifin.

Maloney said their biggest need was a big #1 center.

They're picking Strome leaving us with a choice of Hanifin or Marner. We should go with Marner.

 

[Trapper]

Maloney said their biggest need was a big #1 center.

They're picking Strome leaving us with a choice of Hanifin or Marner. We should go with Marner.

We will see. I didn't want Arizona in 3rd. That was my biggest lottery fail (other than McDavid).

 

[Anth93]

There's really zero dispute that Hanifin has been and will most likely be the higher rated prospect of the two.. This would seem to indicate that he is the "BPA", which would imply that a smart organization that follows the "BPA" philosophy would draft Hanifin and thus be better off..

Everyone knows it isn't this black or white.

We are absolutely going to draft a highly skilled forward and we're going to do that because it's obvious that by doing so we have the better chance at re-igniting our organization. Great teams have never been made from the net out like people seem to think and by believing in that theory you've simply over-thought/over-complicated what works. Nashville of 2011, Phoenix of 2012, etc. don't sustain themselves. We need somebody to pair with Nylander and drive our offense for the next 10 years.

Our D will figure itself out because that's how it's always worked for great forward cores. You trade, you promote 2nd rounders, you see guys take huge strides in their developments, but never do you gather franchise D that win you a cup. It just doesn't work.

A quick rewatch of the world juniors would show you what Hanifin really is. He's a tremendous skater through the neutral zone, but he wasn't a composed defender in his own zone. Is that going to turn around the maple leafs in 2017 or will it be Marner scoring 60 points?

 

[hockeyes]

If Hanifin is a legit top 5 pick it makes sense to take a D in year 1 of rebuilding seeing as they typically take a little longer to hit top form.

 

[mikeyz]

Can somebody please explain the case against Mitch Marner? For the life of me, I don't understand how he can be ranked #5.

There is no case.

Everyone that wants us to take him at 4 are just man crushing him big time.

You NEED size in today's NHL. Strome has been a beast all season long And Hanifin has been ranked #3 all season for a reason Because he's been compared to the vision of Niedermayer and the hockey IQ and talent of Lidstrom.

Shanny, Dubas and company are morons if they take Marner over either one of those 2 guys.

 

[Anth93]

If Hanifin is a legit top 5 pick it makes sense to take a D in year 1 of rebuilding seeing as they typically take a little longer to hit top form.

There's no start/stop to this "rebuild" you speak of. It's about collecting great young players, which happened to happen last year and in 2012 with Rielly.

They're probably going to end up being the best players on our team in 5 years, so we've already been rebuilding. Hanifin isn't going to get picked by the Leafs. It's Marner or Strome.

 

[agropop]

There's really zero dispute that Hanifin has been and will most likely be the higher rated prospect of the two.. This would seem to indicate that he is the "BPA", which would imply that a smart organization that follows the "BPA" philosophy would draft Hanifin and thus be better off..

Spot on.

 

[mikeyz]

We will see. I didn't want Arizona in 3rd. That was my biggest lottery fail (other than McDavid).

How so?

With Edmonton going 3rd we would have either Marner and Strome ( not even Mac T and Lowe are that incompetent to have avoided taking Hanifin at 3)

Now with Arizona going 3 we have either Hanifin or Marner (I think Arizona takes Strome) and Hanifin is a better prospect then both Strome and Marner.

 

[hockeyes]

There's no start/stop to this "rebuild" you speak of. It's about collecting great young players, which happened to happen last year and in 2012 with Rielly.

They're probably going to end up being the best players on our team in 5 years, so we've already been rebuilding. Hanifin isn't going to get picked by the Leafs. It's Marner or Strome.

There's no start and stop but the difference between winning a cup and just being competitive is how well you can time your players output.

 

[CalgaryLeaf*]

There is no case.

Everyone that wants us to take him at 4 are just man crushing him big time.

You NEED size in today's NHL. Strome has been a beast all season long And Hanifin has been ranked #3 all season for a reason Because he's been compared to the vision of Niedermayer and the hockey I and talent of Lidstrom.

Shanny, Dubas and company are morons of they take Marner over either one of those 2 guys

Really---- Hanifan is being compared to two Hall of Famers,Lidstrom & Niedermayer?

I'd lower the hype down a notch or two or you're going to be very disappointed.

 

[Bernier the Boats]

There is no case.

Everyone that wants us to take him at 4 are just man crushing him big time.

You NEED size in today's NHL. Strome has been a beast all season long And Hanifin has been ranked #3 all season for a reason Because he's been compared to the vision of Niedermayer and the hockey IQ and talent of Lidstrom.

Shanny, Dubas and company are morons if they take Marner over either one of those 2 guys

That was all I needed to hear from the anti-Marner camp. Thanks. I will politely disagree (while laughing, of course).

 

[mikeyz]

That was all I needed to hear from the anti-Marner camp. Thanks. I will politely disagree (while laughing, of course).

Ohhh believe me we are laughing even harder at the pro Marner camp.

 

[BlueBaron]

There's really zero dispute that Hanifin has been and will most likely be the higher rated prospect of the two.. This would seem to indicate that he is the "BPA", which would imply that a smart organization that follows the "BPA" philosophy would draft Hanifin and thus be better off..

Everyone knows it isn't this black or white.

We are absolutely going to draft a highly skilled forward and we're going to do that because it's obvious that by doing so we have the better chance at re-igniting our organization. Great teams have never been made from the net out like people seem to think and by believing in that theory you've simply over-thought/over-complicated what works. Nashville of 2011, Phoenix of 2012, etc. don't sustain themselves. We need somebody to pair with Nylander and drive our offense for the next 10 years.

Our D will figure itself out because that's how it's always worked for great forward cores. You trade, you promote 2nd rounders, you see guys take huge strides in their developments, but never do you gather franchise D that win you a cup. It just doesn't work.

A quick rewatch of the world juniors would show you what Hanifin really is. He's a tremendous skater through the neutral zone, but he wasn't a composed defender in his own zone. Is that going to turn around the maple leafs in 2017 or will it be Marner scoring 60 points?

I guess you aren't familiar with LA ?

 

[mikeyz]

Really---- Hanifan is being compared to two Hall of Famers,Lidstrom & Niedermayer?

I'd lower the hype down a notch or two or you're going to be very disappointed.

He likely won't be as good as them.

But he will be a more efficient player then Marner.... That's for sure.

 

[Anth93]

There's no start and stop but the difference between winning a cup and just being competitive is how well you can time your players output.

Yes that's a variable, but the most dependent of all these variables is having the best possible team you can. Having Hanifin and Rielly isn't as good as having Strome/Marner and Nylander.

 

[Nylanders Flow]

Ohhh believe me we are laughing even harder at the pro Marner camp.

Tampa Bay is proof that talent > size.

 

[Bernier the Boats]

I guess you aren't familiar with LA ?

Please explain what was so great about about LA's defense core.

If you say "Doughty!" I will say "Rielly!"

Rielly has more Doughty in his game than Hanifin, much more.

 

[Anth93]

I guess you aren't familiar with LA ?

The team that won a cup with a peak Anze Kopitar that could skate through a defense at will? Notice how anyone he played with suddenly woke up in the playoffs?

Doughty was better this year than he was last year.
Kopitar was far worse.

I wonder why they missed the playoffs.

 

[Eisenh0rn]

Haven't seen anyone but if every single draft service has Hanifin ranked 3 and he is still there at #4 I'd be extremely pissed if we didn't take him.

 

[BlueBaron]

Please explain what was so great about about LA's defense core.

If you say "Doughty!" I will say "Rielly!"

Rielly has more Doughty in his game than Hanifin, much more.

Doughty is one of if not the best defensemen in the world. Rielly is a talented up and comer. They are not the same thing.

 

[crump]

Marner will still grow. He is only 17. Most kids add an inch and 10-15 pounds on after 17 on their way to 20 years old.. He should be 6 feet. The inch doesn't make a lick of difference anyway, the guy has speed, skills and smarts, that overcomes any deficiency in height.

I am torn between him and Strome. I don't want Hanifan I want an elite center in this draft. They don't come around often. We have decent defensive prospects already, barely anything up front. I wont hate Hanifan, but I think you cant let Stome or Marner pass you by when you have so little offensive prospects on the way, especially at centre.