Proposal: Hamilton for Kadri. Lets make this happen

[Brock Radunske]

I don't think as of right now he is a top 2 guy but suggesting he is not a top 4 or even 5 guy is ridiculous. Hamilton would be a good pick up for us (leafs) but I have no doubt in my mind that lou would not offer marner or nylander for him. Of flames fans are not interested in a jvr type of return then I do not think its a good fit for Toronto or Calgary.

On a side note I could see a smaller deal taking place maybe someone like Holland or leivo?

What in the hell would you want off of Calgary's roster that either of those two would fetch?

 

[Haatley]

I think the best Calgary is going to do from us player-wise is an NHL ready prospect like Leipsic or Kapanen and one of our bottom defenceman. I imagine a good pick would be involved as well.

Im sure thats why our GM is scouting NHL games instead of Marlie games. Sorry, you are way off.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Is shattenkirk or hamilton a better add for the leafs?

 

[Deez Nuts]

Playing less minutes allows him to be our second highest scorer?

As a Leaf fan, it is comical and embarassing reading delusional posters crap on Hamilton based on TOI. This is the same guy constantly pumping Rielly's tires and making excuses for his abysmal GA/60 and SA/60 based on the lousy team he plays for. Always preaching context. It is frustrating seeing all the excuses made for Rielly not apply for other teams' players. If Rielly were on the Flames, he would get even less minutes than Hamilton but according to him he is an undisputed #1 lol. Oh, if Hamilton is soft according to him what does that make Rielly? Over in the Leaf threads he is spewing nonsense how Hamilton is not a top 4D based on his 5x5 minues while omitting his PP minutes.

Hamilton would instantly becaome the Leafs best defenceman, solidify the top 4, be our PP quarterback and I support a trade to aquire him. However, Matthews/Nylander/Marner are going nowhere. I would have a hard time giving up Gardiner as well unless it was in a bigger package. JVR, Carrick and a pick would be my offer. However, I do wonder why such a young right handed defencman could end up on his third team in the span of two years. This is a red flag for sure.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Is shattenkirk or hamilton a better add for the leafs?

Shattenkirk, obviously. He can be had for free in 6 months providing the offer is good.

 

[NiL8r87]

Im sure thats why our GM is scouting NHL games instead of Marlie games. Sorry, you are way off.

Missed that thread, fair enough.

I just don't see any of Kadri/Nylander/Marner/Matthews/Rielly/Zaitsev/Gardiner being moved for Hamilton.

I could see Carrick/Bozak/JVR/Brown/Soshnikov/Polak/Marincin being available.

 

[Haatley]

Missed that thread, fair enough.

I just don't see any of Kadri/Nylander/Marner/Matthews/Rielly/Zaitsev/Gardiner being moved for Hamilton.

I could see Carrick/Bozak/JVR/Brown/Soshnikov/Polak/Marincin being available.

So you think you get a 23 year old top pairing RHD for your scraps?

 

[Brock Radunske]

Missed that thread, fair enough.

I just don't see any of Kadri/Nylander/Marner/Matthews/Rielly/Zaitsev/Gardiner being moved for Hamilton.

I could see Carrick/Bozak/JVR/Brown/Soshnikov/Polak/Marincin being available.

The Flames are bottom-feeders. The bolded players aren't going to solve their problems. They'll be traded to playoff contenders, if anyone.

 

[NiL8r87]

So you think you get a 23 year old top pairing RHD for your scraps?

Now you're being silly.

Will they solve Calgary's weaknesses? Debatable.

Are they all scraps? Hardly. Five of those seven are legit NHLers and would help your god awful power play and the other 2 are affordable stop gap fillers on your blue line.

 

[Haatley]

Now you're being silly.

Will they solve Calgary's weaknesses? Debatable.

Are they all scraps? Hardly. Five of those seven are legit NHLers and would help your god awful power play and the other 2 are affordable stop gap fillers on your blue line.

So taking away a cannon of a shot from the point and adding the spare parts you suggested, will HELP our powerplay? Tell me more.

 

[ACC1224]

So you think you get a 23 year old top pairing RHD for your scraps?

That's not what they said and you're definition of scraps needs some work.

 

[DJJones]

OK, I think I found what you're talking about. Took a ton of penalties and was benched a few times, I assume that's what you mean. Not sure what to make of that TBH.

That was a problem and then at the start of the year the new coach was obsessed with the idea of splitting Gio, Brodie, and Hamilton up. Theoretically it may work but it was a failure. Grossman was so bad that Hamilton didn't have a chance. Then Jokkipakka was put on Hamilton's line and he hasn't played anywhere close to as good as last year (he's switching on and off with Kulak who is a rookie). Then Kulak and Engellend were playing some very good hockey for a third line so Hamilton was stuck with Wideman. Wideman let in some horrendous goals and TOI was limited again. He's was stuck playing with two guys that shouldn't even be in the NHL.

Leading the league in minor penalties didn't help him as well. You guys should have ripped him apart for his stick penalties but I didn't see that mentioned once.

 

[Haatley]

That's not what they said and you're definition of scraps needs some work.

Besides JVR there isn't a single upgrade to what we already have. JVR would be great on our second line.

 

[NiL8r87]

So taking away a cannon of a shot from the point and adding the spare parts you suggested, will HELP our powerplay? Tell me more.

I guess there's no point trading Hamilton for Marner or Nylander then. I mean why bother? Just a lateral move with such a weapon at even strength and the PP, how would that possibly make Calgary better? Might as well call it off.

 

[Kahvi]

Might as well call it off.

I fully agree, and I think most Flames fans agree as well. No need to trade Hamilton, so we can stop this.

 

[DJJones]

I guess there's no point trading Hamilton for Marner or Nylander then. I mean why bother? Just a lateral move with such a weapon at even strength and the PP, how would that possibly make Calgary better? Might as well call it off.

Value would be about right but ya. Losing one of your best defenders for a winger just doesn't make any sense.

What team has ever succeeded with two star wingers leading the way. We have Gaudreau. Fills our quota for small wingers.

 

[therealkoho]

Torongo gets: Hamilton

Calgary gets: Kadri + ( 2nd or any Dman in their system except Rielly, Zaitsev, Gardiner )

TO gets a top4 Dman. Calgary gets a top 6 pesky center who has shown he can match up to the best in the league. Both young and can grow into a teams rebuild.


Let's make it happen, Cap'n!

As a Leafs fan currently of long and miserable suffering, but fortunately has actually seen the cups, please stop!

the Leafs are not moving Kadri, uh-uh, nope, not happening, not even a maybe

Kadri, you may not be aware is totally Babified, he plays the system efficiently and with flair and would proudly without hesitation break through a brick wall should Babs ask...in other words Naz has become a core player

 

[Gary Nylund]

That was a problem and then at the start of the year the new coach was obsessed with the idea of splitting Gio, Brodie, and Hamilton up. Theoretically it may work but it was a failure. Grossman was so bad that Hamilton didn't have a chance. Then Jokkipakka was put on Hamilton's line and he hasn't played anywhere close to as good as last year (he's switching on and off with Kulak who is a rookie). Then Kulak and Engellend were playing some very good hockey for a third line so Hamilton was stuck with Wideman. Wideman let in some horrendous goals and TOI was limited again. He's was stuck playing with two guys that shouldn't even be in the NHL.

Leading the league in minor penalties didn't help him as well. You guys should have ripped him apart for his stick penalties but I didn't see that mentioned once.

OK that makes sense, thanks. I would be very interested in adding a good young d-man but our most valuable asset we'd be willing to part with is probably JVR and that doesn't seem like a good fit for you so that's that I guess. Kadri is going nowhere IMO.

 

[zeke]

2015/16 - 2016/17

Even Strength - score/zone adjusted (relative to team in brackets)

Gardiner ($4.05): 16:31, 52.6cf% (+3.2), 51.4ff% (+3.3), 50.9sf% (+3.6), 52.8scf% (+1.8), 52.3xgf% (+1.6), 45.1gf% (+2.9)
Hamilton ($5.75): 15:27, 49.5cf% (+1.8), 49.8ff% (+2.0), 51.3sf% (+2.7), 47.0scf% (+0.6), 47.5xgf% (-0.4), 44.5gf% (-6.0)

 

[Liferleafer]

As a Leafs fan currently of long and miserable suffering, but fortunately has actually seen the cups, please stop!

the Leafs are not moving Kadri, uh-uh, nope, not happening, not even a maybe

Kadri, you may not be aware is totally Babified, he plays the system efficiently and with flair and would proudly without hesitation break through a brick wall should Babs ask...in other words Naz has become a core player

Amen brother.

 

[zeke]

Name me one #4/#5 defence that is good for 40 points.

S.Gostisbehere '16
K.Yandle '16
D.Hamilton '16
M.Green '15
T.Krug '15
K.Shattenkirk '14
T.Krug '14
M.Streit '14
T.Barrie '14
B.Rafalski '11
K.Shattenkirk '11
K.Foster '10
K.Yandle '10
C.Barker '09
K.Quincey '09
M.Streit '08
J.Corvo '08
M.Zidlicky '08
M.Bergeron '07
F.Kuba '07
M.Carle '07
J.Liles '07
T.Preissing '07
J.Liles '06
M.Zidlicky '06
B.Campbell '06
F.Kaberle '06
T.Preissing '06
J.Corvo '06
T.Numminen '06
J.Modry '06
A.Meszaros '06
K.Ballard '06

 

[DJJones]

S.Gostisbehere '16
K.Yandle '16
D.Hamilton '16
M.Green '15
T.Krug '15
K.Shattenkirk '14
T.Krug '14
M.Streit '14
T.Barrie '14
B.Rafalski '11
K.Shattenkirk '11
K.Foster '10
K.Yandle '10
C.Barker '09
K.Quincey '09
M.Streit '08
J.Corvo '08
M.Zidlicky '08
M.Bergeron '07
F.Kuba '07
M.Carle '07
J.Liles '07
T.Preissing '07
J.Liles '06
M.Zidlicky '06
B.Campbell '06
F.Kaberle '06
T.Preissing '06
J.Corvo '06
T.Numminen '06
J.Modry '06
A.Meszaros '06
K.Ballard '06

I don't think you made the point you were trying to make here

 

[zeke]

I think it's pretty clear.

 

[DJJones]

So your list is Barrie, Yandle, Gostisbehere, Green, Krug, and Shattenkirk.

None of those guys are in your top 100 defenseman?

 

[zeke]

Sure some of them may have turned into decent top-4 dmen.