Post-Game Talk: Hail Morry - Jets 3, Sabres 1

[jefferoni]

I hope nobody has me on ignore because i always try and be nice . Plus then i would be talking to myself and that's not good .

^^^ Who said that??? ^^^

In all seriousness @Jets 31, I would never put you on ignore because I enjoy your posts... plus I'm pretty sure I get at least 1/2 of my likes just from you!

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I hope nobody has me on ignore because i always try and be nice . Plus then i would be talking to myself and that's not good .

I'm sure my pessimistic rants have me on many a No Tirade List.

It's a shame people use the Ignore feature. Everyone has something worth reading some of the time.

 

[Jack722]

I Really doubt that laine / scheif/ wheeler would be a good line, considering scheif and wheeler have needed ehlers this year to pull their metrics out of the mud.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I am confused by this pgt. I missed the game and only saw highlights. It doesnt seem overly negative to me - some positives, some negatives. But there are a ton of posts complaining about the rampant negativity. I guess negativity is different things to different people. But I think there are more posts complaining about the negativity, than there are actual negative posts. Btw, expressing a valid concern is not a negative post.

Anyway, Helle played great, our solid #2 centre Little was on the score sheet again, we won on the road, great outcome.

 

[jefferoni]

I'm sure my pessimistic rants have me on many a No Tirade List.

It's a shame people use the Ignore feature. Everyone has something worth reading some of the time.

ALMOST everyone... my Ignore list is and will continue to be...

 

[Jets 31]

^^^ Who said that??? ^^^

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In all seriousness @Jets 31, I would never put you on ignore because I enjoy your posts... plus I'm pretty sure I get at least 1/2 of my likes just from you!

Too funny Thanks jefferoni , i needed a good laugh today .

 

[Jets 31]

I am confused by this pgt. I missed the game and only saw highlights. It doesnt seem overly negative to me - some positives, some negatives. But there are a ton of posts complaining about the rampant negativity. I guess negativity is different things to different people. But I think there are more posts complaining about the negativity, than there are actual negative posts. Btw, expressing a valid concern is not a negative post.

Anyway, Helle played great, our solid #2 centre Little was on the score sheet again, we won on the road, great outcome.

There was posts yesterday but they got deleted .

 

[Jets 31]

I am confused by this pgt. I missed the game and only saw highlights. It doesnt seem overly negative to me - some positives, some negatives. But there are a ton of posts complaining about the rampant negativity. I guess negativity is different things to different people. But I think there are more posts complaining about the negativity, than there are actual negative posts. Btw, expressing a valid concern is not a negative post.

Anyway, Helle played great, our solid #2 centre Little was on the score sheet again, we won on the road, great outcome.

Little is one of the most underrated centers in the league if you ask me .

 

[Jets 31]

Isn't there a Jets game tonight ? I thought they played everyday .

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

ALMOST everyone... my Ignore list is and will continue to be...

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Avgard was a classic. I miss that guy.

 

[jefferoni]

Avgard was a classic. I miss that guy.

A classic what?

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

ALMOST everyone... my Ignore list is and will continue to be...

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I'm 99% certain his posts were satirical jabs at posts that seemed to put Laine's interests above the team's interests. I found them to be entertaining, albeit in a troll like way.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

A classic what?

Hockey Professor

 

[pucka lucka]

I've been wondering about why Perrault gets so limited minutes for 2 years now. My speculations have varied ranging from PoMo incompetence to an underlying back injury which makes it necessary to limit his minutes in order to keep it in check I think it's Maurice though... he gets way too comfortable in his 'preferred' lineups and usage. When there are injuries, he has shown he can actually coach sometimes, but how rigid he is with his healthy roster is baffling. I'm not saying he should be mixing things all the time, but having some guys glued to each other seriously limits his options. Basically he has shown he can 1) swap Connor and Ehlers between 1st and 2nd line 2) move players in the 4th line in/out from pressbox. That's about it.

Also that whole bit about Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler having "bad underlying numbers" or whatever when they have played like 3 periods total together over the past season and a half is such a completely dishonest BS reason. Where's the sample size in that? Especially since 2 of those 3 periods were first game back for Scheifele after a long injury, and he sucked that game. And let's face it, Connor doesn't exactly benefit the underlying numbers of any line he's been on recently, yet he seems Maurice's no1 option for the 1st line. Granted, Ehlers is down currently, but somehow I always get the feeling for whatever reason Maurice really prefers Connor there, despite Ehlers giving better results and underlying numbers. He's the coach, he has the right to opinions and to making those decisions, but he shouldn't ever try to back them up with intellectually dishonest BS like "underlying numbers" when clearly he doesn't really care about those. There's just too many things that would be done differently if he did.

A kindred spirit!

This is exactly my point. He's always done this. he's also never won anything. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt? Why does a coach get 1500 games to never win anything? Sure it could be circumstance, but why take the risk? The day PoMo was hired I was concerned for this very reason. We'd squander our potential with a coach who wasn't good enough. He kept starting Pavelec against the Ducks. Kept playing Hendricks. Keeps letting Laine flounder. Keeps playing Morrow. Keeps letting a 22 year old sit for a couple of months.

Maybe we can overcome our suspect coaching and turn it on in the playoffs. It happens all the time, but we are one of many. I just don't understand how one of the best 30 of something in the entire world (hah) just doesn't do anything. Where are the improvements, the adjustments, the fine tuning? Why doesn't Petan get an occasional game just to keep him sharp? Appleton and Lemieux are just SO valuable that they can't miss a game?

 

[jefferoni]

I'm sure my pessimistic rants have me on many a No Tirade List.

It's a shame people use the Ignore feature. Everyone has something worth reading some of the time.

 

[HannuJ]

I'm sure my pessimistic rants have me on many a No Tirade List.

It's a shame people use the Ignore feature. Everyone has something worth reading some of the time.

i would like to disagree with you but i cannot see what you post.

 

[ps241]

20? Ok, I'll assume I'm on there lol. We're all free to say and believe what we want. Personally, I want dissenting views and I want to keep learning.....but perhaps ignorance is bliss. We can try and form our own reality, but it always collapses eventually.

The fact we are debating means you were not on the list. The 20 people were almost exclusively non Jets fans that kept (keep) posting on our board. I have only ignored a couple of Jets fans and like I said they are no longer welcome on the site anyways. I enjoy dissenting views and I don't need to curate reality. I listen to the viewpoints and feedback that point out how and why we are struggling at evens and I welcome it. People like Garret, Whileee, WGGChief, lomiller1 (just to name a few) are pretty good and telling it like it is and adding in the statistical content to blend with the eye test that allows one to stay grounded in a form of REALITY.

The challenge is no matter how we cut it we are still in first place warts and all so that is also a reality. We may or may not play the same way in the playoffs and that is also a reality because our team is very similar to the line up from last season. I have no problem with people pointing out obvious flaws but its seems like there are more and more posters finding little to know joy in where we are at as a team at this snap shot in time? I find it a bit fatalistic and process obsessive. I don't love the way we are playing 5v5 but we have a really talented team that can win the cup if we get hot and lucky at the right time just like every other good team in the playoffs.

 

[tbcwpg]

I'm not a pessimist in the slightest, but I think there's good discussion to be had about the pros and cons of the roster, especially this season. There's really nothing else to discuss - they are firmly in a playoff spot, so there's no playoff race to scoreboard watch for, and the one team that we will be scoreboard watching, doesn't seem to want to take advantage of the Jets average level play lately as well.

I just think that some struggle with the issue of timing. I don't mean to call out any posters by name, because I think they have value to contribute, but you're going to have these types of discussions about positivity vs pessimism when you come into a PGT after a pretty decent road win to read that the team is destined to go out in the first round, or when the team is winning 6-0, and there's discussion about how bad the goaltending is after he gives up a 6-1 goal.

It can be exhausting and I think many posters who would otherwise not engage in it, do so.

 

[pucka lucka]

I'm not a pessimist in the slightest, but I think there's good discussion to be had about the pros and cons of the roster, especially this season. There's really nothing else to discuss - they are firmly in a playoff spot, so there's no playoff race to scoreboard watch for, and the one team that we will be scoreboard watching, doesn't seem to want to take advantage of the Jets average level play lately as well.

I just think that some struggle with the issue of timing. I don't mean to call out any posters by name, because I think they have value to contribute, but you're going to have these types of discussions about positivity vs pessimism when you come into a PGT after a pretty decent road win to read that the team is destined to go out in the first round, or when the team is winning 6-0, and there's discussion about how bad the goaltending is after he gives up a 6-1 goal.

It can be exhausting and I think many posters who would otherwise not engage in it, do so.

So who is the problem? The ones who want to come here and discuss the details of the game and time or those that have a problem with that?

 

[AlphaLackey]

I'm sure my pessimistic rants have me on many a No Tirade List.

It's a shame people use the Ignore feature. Everyone has something worth reading some of the time.

The Ignore feature's biggest failure is that it doesn't get used enough. Because it doesn't also block replies to posts from ignored posters, nor has the intelligence to sense when a non-reply post is a direct response to an obvious derailment or personal attack, it winds up being insufficient on its own; it needs a certain saturation level to provide the 'herd immunity', so to speak, to be effective at its role.

It should, however, be used very sparingly, because for the most part, you're correct. For the most part.

 

[Board Bard]

I've been wondering about why Perrault gets so limited minutes for 2 years now. My speculations have varied ranging from PoMo incompetence to an underlying back injury which makes it necessary to limit his minutes in order to keep it in check I think it's Maurice though... he gets way too comfortable in his 'preferred' lineups and usage. When there are injuries, he has shown he can actually coach sometimes, but how rigid he is with his healthy roster is baffling. I'm not saying he should be mixing things all the time, but having some guys glued to each other seriously limits his options. Basically he has shown he can 1) swap Connor and Ehlers between 1st and 2nd line 2) move players in the 4th line in/out from pressbox. That's about it.

Also that whole bit about Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler having "bad underlying numbers" or whatever when they have played like 3 periods total together over the past season and a half is such a completely dishonest BS reason. Where's the sample size in that? Especially since 2 of those 3 periods were first game back for Scheifele after a long injury, and he sucked that game. And let's face it, Connor doesn't exactly benefit the underlying numbers of any line he's been on recently, yet he seems Maurice's no1 option for the 1st line. Granted, Ehlers is down currently, but somehow I always get the feeling for whatever reason Maurice really prefers Connor there, despite Ehlers giving better results and underlying numbers. He's the coach, he has the right to opinions and to making those decisions, but he shouldn't ever try to back them up with intellectually dishonest BS like "underlying numbers" when clearly he doesn't really care about those. There's just too many things that would be done differently if he did.

Absolutely right. If Maurice uses "underlying numbers" to help in his decisions, then his underlying numbers are obviously garbage given the roster choices he makes. Personally I think the analytics Maurice uses -- and not just talks about in press conferences to make himself look smarter -- are far below the standard that modern teams use, and that includes analysis of those numbers.

 

[tbcwpg]

So who is the problem? The ones who want to come here and discuss the details of the game and time or those that have a problem with that?

There is no problem with one side or the other. Framing it as that makes the problem worse.

The problem is when people revert to calling people "Maurice bashers", or "Hellebuyck defenders". I think some people take this place a little too seriously some times.

 

[pucka lucka]

There is no problem with one side or the other. Framing it as that makes the problem worse.

The problem is when people revert to calling people "Maurice bashers", or "Hellebuyck defenders". I think some people take this place a little too seriously some times.

I'll drop it because I know this will go no where..

 

[AlphaLackey]

So who is the problem? The ones who want to come here and discuss the details of the game and time or those that have a problem with that?

Neither.

As many others have also said, and I will reiterate, there is a massive difference between the behaviour tbcwpg is describing and "people who want to discuss the details of the game and time".

 

[sipowicz]

Despite the Jets position in the standings I think everyone is frustrated by the overall level of play and obviously some of the loopy coaching decisions by Maurice, realistically this team could/would be in first place overall with top tier coach!