Post-Game Talk: Hail Morry - Jets 3, Sabres 1

[YWGinYYZ]

I think that's enough discussion of the fanbase / posters in this thread. I'm too lazy to go back and do another round of clean-up, so I hope that we move on from it, and instead discuss the good/bad of the Sabres game instead of each other.

Thanks!

 

[tbcwpg]

Despite the Jets position in the standings I think everyone is frustrated by the overall level of play and obviously some of the loopy coaching decisions by Maurice, realistically this team could/would be in first place overall with top tier coach!

Maybe. It would be nice to compete with Tampa for first overall, but last year it got the Predators some nice regular season banners to put up, and not much else. I'll share the concern if theyre struggling in late March, but I find it hard to get worked up about their play pre-deadline, given the standings right now. They've been a top level team for 2 seasons now, it's difficult to consistently keep that up for that long. Dips will happen

 

[AlphaLackey]

Despite the Jets position in the standings I think everyone is frustrated by the overall level of play and obviously some of the loopy coaching decisions by Maurice, realistically this team could/would be in first place overall with top tier coach!

Could, I'll grant you. WOULD, that's a tougher sell. Tampa Bay has one hell of a team.

 

[ps241]

Could, I'll grant you. WOULD, that's a tougher sell. Tampa Bay has one hell of a team.

That sadly probably won't win the Cup.

 

[AlphaLackey]

That sadly probably won't win the Cup.

Every year, every team (including the best ones) probably won't win the Cup. TB remains the favorite, though, I think we'd agree.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Little is one of the most underrated centers in the league if you ask me .

Used to be underrated. He hasn't been that good since LLW got unceremoniously broken up (Ladd to Chicago, Wheeler to Fefe's pocket). The Jets haven't looked good for a while, but they've been getting wins. I don't feel confident about this team at all. Even their vaunted PP has been blah for the last 20 or so games. They look slow, they play slow, they're always cycling in the OZ, they aren't attacking the soft ice in the middle, they crack under a heavy forecheck, etc. It's been hard watching them this season.

The frustrating part is we _know_ that they can play better. They've played ridiculously well against Nashville and Tampa, but then lay an egg against teams that they don't seem to get up against. The efforts against Ottawa and Montreal are embarrassing. We're lucky that Nashville has taken this time to be mediocre as well.

Blah. Be better, Jets. Quit sleeping through games and actually play them.

 

[antiqueslivers]

any chance Morrow is playing instead of Niku because we are trying to showcase him for a package deal? (I know its a bit of wishful thinking).

Before either the sabres game or the ottawa one I swear I heard one of the 1290 fellas mention that they noticed a number of jets coughing... perhaps a chest cold has runs its way through the team, explaining their heavy skates?

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

any chance Morrow is playing instead of Niku because we are trying to showcase him for a package deal? (I know its a bit of wishful thinking).

Before either the sabres game or the ottawa one I swear I heard one of the 1290 fellas mention that they noticed a number of jets coughing... perhaps a chest cold has runs its way through the team, explaining their heavy skates?

I'm fine with Morrow on this team. He's above average for a 7/8 guy in the NHL. The problem comes when he's playing as a 5/6 while Niku sits in the Pressbox.

 

[Jets 31]

any chance Morrow is playing instead of Niku because we are trying to showcase him for a package deal? (I know its a bit of wishful thinking).

Before either the sabres game or the ottawa one I swear I heard one of the 1290 fellas mention that they noticed a number of jets coughing... perhaps a chest cold has runs its way through the team, explaining their heavy skates?

Yah i've been saying that for about a week now , lots of Jets have sounded sick , really congested .

 

[ERYX]

Yah i've been saying that for about a week now , lots of Jets have sounded sick , really congested .

Wheeler sure sounded sick in the All Star game interviews. It's certainly that time of year.

 

[ERYX]

Every year, every team (including the best ones) probably won't win the Cup. TB remains the favorite, though, I think we'd agree.

Tampa was the favourite to win it all last season weren't they? And yet they didn't even make the SCF. I didn't watch any if the Eastern Conference finals but my good friend who's from Florida and is a big Bolts fan was furious and said they played awful and laid an egg in the Washington series.

Which just goes to show that anyone can win a series and that the regular season doesn't matter all that much beyond needing to well in it to get into the playoffs. But the playoffs are a whole different season and my money is on the Jets bringing a whole other level of intensity (akin to what they've brought in certain games against other top teams) come playoff time.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Tampa was the favourite to win it all last season weren't they? And yet they didn't even make the SCF. I didn't watch any if the Eastern Conference finals but my good friend who's from Florida and is a big Bolts fan was furious and said they played awful and laid an egg in the Washington series.

Which just goes to show that anyone can win a series and that the regular season doesn't matter all that much beyond needing to well in it to get into the playoffs. But the playoffs are a whole different season and my money is on the Jets bringing a whole other level of intensity (akin to what they've brought in certain games against other top teams) come playoff time.

Absolutely. Even the runaway favorite in the Stanley Cup tournament is very likely to not win it. Moneypuck.com has the Sharks as the favorite, actually, so we'll go with that. 11.11% chance of winning the Cup = 88.89% chance of not winning the Cup.

And for every other team it gets worse from there

So yeah, largely what you need is a ticket, and then a whole lot of breaks.

 

[ps241]

Every year, every team (including the best ones) probably won't win the Cup. TB remains the favorite, though, I think we'd agree.

Yes at this snap shot in time I would put them in the #1 spot but it sure isn't like the NBA where that means allot.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Yes at this snap shot in time I would put them in the #1 spot but it sure isn't like the NBA where that means allot.

Right-o on that. NHL has so much more parity.

 

[garret9]

Do your metrics include wins and losses?

Yes...

 

[garret9]

Don’t understand how this works well enough. That chart doesn’t seem to reflect reality for Lemieux. How are all his goals and his overall decent looking play not improving his “impact”?

It only looks at how many shots and where the shots are coming from (and other shot quality factors).
It ignores whether or not the shots actually go in.
The numbers would suggest that Lemieux has been lucky and that his current performance would unlikely repeat if he did the same games next year and got the same chances.

The Jets score on 13.3% of shots when he's on the ice, which ranks 5th highest of all players with at least 200 mins.
The Jets goalies have a 0.962 save percentage when he's on the ice, which also ranks 5th highest.
Overall, Lemieux ranks #1 in PDO (and Appleton #2). That lucky variance distribution doesn't just mean his goal totals are a bit of an illusion, but perception of performance is likely skewed.

Who knows... maybe Lemieux is even a better finisher than Laine, while simultaneously the greatest defensive player ever... but I doubt it.

 

[LowLefty]

Who knows... maybe Lemieux is even a better finisher than Laine, while simultaneously the greatest defensive player ever... but I doubt it.

Very true - but maybe he's not garbage either

Edit - I know you didn't call that out - just propping up Lemmy a bit

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

It only looks at how many shots and where the shots are coming from (and other shot quality factors).
It ignores whether or not the shots actually go in.
The numbers would suggest that Lemieux has been lucky and that his current performance would unlikely repeat if he did the same games next year and got the same chances.

The Jets score on 13.3% of shots when he's on the ice, which ranks 5th highest of all players with at least 200 mins.
The Jets goalies have a 0.962 save percentage when he's on the ice, which also ranks 5th highest.
Overall, Lemieux ranks #1 in PDO (and Appleton #2). That lucky variance distribution doesn't just mean his goal totals are a bit of an illusion, but perception of performance is likely skewed.

Who knows... maybe Lemieux is even a better finisher than Laine, while simultaneously the greatest defensive player ever... but I doubt it.

To me he looks massively improved from earlier in the season and essentially the only guy who can just will himself and the puck from the corner into the crease. Even if he hadn't scored as much as he has recently I would think the other aspects of his game look better. But confidence from scoring and other factors affect that as well. Oh well hopefully the small bread crumbs that point towards him massively over producing will start to improve as well.
The Jets could obviously use a gritty young power forward who can score in the 20 goal range. Maybe Lemieux can become that guy?

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

I'm not the biggest Lemmy or Chia fan, but what they do bring is that grit and craziness. Like, sometimes you need a guy that might get stabby every now and then. Those traits are way overvalued, and they should be in the bottom and not in the top of your lineup (Lucic and Clarkson), but I think you sometimes need that edge.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, Wheeler and Buff can certainly bring the stabs, but I don't want them sitting long term in the penalty box.

 

[Robinson2187]

Avgard was a classic. I miss that guy.

His shtick got old for me pretty fast but man did he leave a lot of comic fodder in his wake.

 

[Atoyot]

His shtick got old for me pretty fast but man did he leave a lot of comic fodder in his wake.

He was like Anchorman, not a particularly good movie but very quotable.

 

[Robinson2187]

He was like Anchorman, not a particularly good movie but very quotable.

I loved Anchorman but point taken.