I agree with you, St Caufield, that Gallagher earned his AAV. But as you said the term was ridiculous because with his playing style he was going to fade within 2-3 years of the contract. And th backloading of the contract makes absolutely no sense.
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He absolutely did not earn his AAV.
He hit 30 goals twice in ten seasons. His career average GPG is 0.30 and PPG is 0.59, that's 25g and 48pts a season. His production goes down in the playoffs, it's not like he's even stand out there.
He is not remotely good enough to be 1m cheaper than Tarasenko.
Very few things Bergevin did made sense at the time or at any time later. The real scandal is why so many in the media and so many fans had so much undying loyalty toward him and would make so many excuses for him.
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Danault has way more value than Anderson. I’m not sure why you’re slipping this in. It doesn’t help your argument.
Josh Anderson makes too much for too long. It’s not a boat anchor like Price’s contract, but it’s not a good contract.
Clearly wrote right there that I wasn't comparing both players...just using their identical cap hits.
He's paid what others in his range are. He's paid market value.
You not liking the contract or labeling as "bad" doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
You probably think if he was on another team he'd be making 3.5M a year for 3 yrs...but be wouldn't.
He'd be paid what he is now because thats his market value.
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Done or not, Price's contract is one of the worst in the entire league.
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Bla bla bla. Comparing their caphits when one is clearly more valuable doesn’t help your argument. Not mentioning Danault at all would have the same impact. Keep babbling on about market value as you wish. It’s not a good contract, it’s not our worst, but it’s not one bit attractive.
The worst imo. Even the bonus structure is ridiculous.
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That must be the reason Hughes told us 25 times already since the end of the season that he gets a lot of calls asking for Anderson.
Other GMs must be calling because they can't wait to take on that bad contract.
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Talk is cheap. No one has acquired Josh now have they.
Hoffman deal was such a bad deal the moment that it was signed. Not so much the dollar amount or term but such a bad signing in general.
Habs Icing
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You guys are such heartless a-holes.
It's not just Bergevin crying over Gallagher. Gorton and Hughes have been seen to shed tears because of him.
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Grate n Colorful Oz
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That's such BS. Many complained about Price, Anderson, Armia and Gallagher's contracts.
You like re-writting history to fit your narratives.
I hope you follow your hero Drouin wherever he goes after this year.
Hoffman:
Confirmed with Link: - Habs sign Mike Hoffman (3 years, 4.5M AAV)
Armia:
Confirmed with Link: - Habs re-sign Armia (4 years, 3.4M AAV)
Four-year contract extension for Joel Armia I'm okay with this!
Anderson: (ok this was much more negative than I remembered, and rightly so)
Confirmed with Link: - 7 Years x 5.5M$ Josh Anderson
Gallagher:
Confirmed with Link: - Gallagher signs 6 years x 6.5M AAV
Drouin:
Confirmed with Link: - [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II
Drouin is underappreciated. He's another Radulov basically (weaker but faster), possession-driving beast. What do the lines look like for next season (assuming somehow Galchenyuk and Plekanec stay)? Patches - Danault - Radulov Drouin - Galchenyuk - Shaw Lekhonen - Plekanec - Gallagher ?
Byron:
Confirmed with Link: - Montreal Canadiens Sign Paul Byron to 4-Year Extension ($3.4M AAV)
Canadiens MontréalCompte certifié @CanadiensMTL 28 sil y a 28 secondes Plus Les Canadiens se sont entendus sur une prolongation de contrat de quatre saisons avec l’attaquant Paul Byron (moyenne valeur annuelle de 3.4 M$), soit jusqu’au terme de la saison 2022-2023. #GoHabsGo
I don't need help making the argument...they have identical cap hits, that's a fact, you can verify if you'd like.
The fact you keep mentioning that Danault is more valuable is just parroting off what I wrote previously. So i'm not sure why you keep bringing it up. The reason Danault was mentioned was to use the salary as comparables, not the player or their impact.
You can bla bla bla all you want...
I will keep talking about market value because market value is the only thing that matters, your or my description of the contract is completely pointless and is just used to fill up discussion boards like this with useless drivel.
Again, if Josh Anderson was a free agent today...he wouldn't sign for less than he's making now and teams would be lining up to sign him, which would probably drive his salary up even higher.
It's not my fault you don't understand how market value works.
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Did it ever cross your mind that the Habs don't want to trade Josh Anderson?
It's actually hilarious to watch you actually try to act like Josh Anderson's contract is so bad that he's got no value.
Meanwhile, in the real world, teams were lining up all summer trying to squeeze him off the Habs.
bla bla bla
The Times ain't the only thing you behind in
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Hoffman:
Confirmed with Link: - Habs sign Mike Hoffman (3 years, 4.5M AAV)
forums.hfboards.com
Armia:
Confirmed with Link: - Habs re-sign Armia (4 years, 3.4M AAV)
Four-year contract extension for Joel Armia I'm okay with this!
Anderson: (ok this was much more negative than I remembered, and rightly so)
Confirmed with Link: - 7 Years x 5.5M$ Josh Anderson
Gallagher:
Confirmed with Link: - Gallagher signs 6 years x 6.5M AAV
Drouin:
Confirmed with Link: - [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II
Drouin is underappreciated. He's another Radulov basically (weaker but faster), possession-driving beast. What do the lines look like for next season (assuming somehow Galchenyuk and Plekanec stay)? Patches - Danault - Radulov Drouin - Galchenyuk - Shaw Lekhonen - Plekanec - Gallagher ?
Byron:
Confirmed with Link: - Montreal Canadiens Sign Paul Byron to 4-Year Extension ($3.4M AAV)
Canadiens MontréalCompte certifié @CanadiensMTL 28 sil y a 28 secondes Plus Les Canadiens se sont entendus sur une prolongation de contrat de quatre saisons avec l’attaquant Paul Byron (moyenne valeur annuelle de 3.4 M$), soit jusqu’au terme de la saison 2022-2023. #GoHabsGo
Those don't even prove what you were saying.
I was here and I remember plenty of posters disliking those contracts as they were signed. Can find plenty of posts in those threads.
Stop making stuff up to support your weak arguments.
As long as Josh Anderson stays healthy, he'll bag 25 goals (which is roughly the pace he's carried over 2 years with the Habs) and whether his contract is good or bad won't freaking matter because guys who score at that pace, get paid in that range.
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Habs Icing
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Jeeze, man, you're too much. You call the guy out for making up crap. He responds with evidence and you don't even bother to look at the evidence. You ignore it and continue with your narrative.
Mrb1p
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I don't think Anderson's contract is a big hurdle, it's a hurdle. I get what you are saying, but I get what @417 is saying too. Truth is probably somewhere in-between your 2 positions.
The mitigating factor with Anderson is that he can go in hot streak that makes him look like a more valuable player for short stints. A cup-ambitious team might bite.
Le Tricolore
Boo! BOOOO!
Erik Karlsson and Marc-Edouard Vlasic's are worse, IMO.
I'm not sure I could think of any others, though.
Mrb1p
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Karlsson is still a great player when hes healthy, Gallagher is a very meh player when healthy.
Id rather have one less year of Vlasic at .5 plus than save .5 on Gally tbh.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Jeeze, man, you're too much. You call the guy out for making up crap. He responds with evidence and you don't even bother to look at the evidence. You ignore it and continue with your narrative.
What evidence? He's pretending those contracts were universally approved and those links do not prove that.
No shit sherlock as if there wouldn't be positive posts about it. It doesn't prove there weren't any negative ones.
I know you and logic is like Betsy Kettleman and logic, yet here you are saying things that aren't even accurate.
The fact you say his links prove anything shows you're butting in without an inkling of what I'm arguing over. Go back to reading Schopenhauer so you can stop failing at being a contrarian.
Habs Icing
Formerly Onice
Don't switch the goalposts. The poster you were responding to never said there weren't any negative posts. After all, this is HF's Habs forum where negativity is a constant. You're the perfect example.
He said fans (meaning most) were really satisfied with the contracts. Drouin was the perfect example. The dissenters were maybe a handful. I should know I was one and it felt really lonely in here.
But continue doing what you accused the other poster of doing. Revising history. You're an expert.
I don't really care to be in the middle of debating whether a contract is good or bad. It's neither here nor there for me.
I'm pretty confident that if he's healthy, he's good for 25ish goals and that's the cost for that kind of player.
If he scores 10 goals or scores 40 next year. I won't think his contract is "bad" or "a steal" either.
