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Dangerous? I dunno, the worst-case scenario is he's a #5 overpaid by about a million signed until he's 31 during a time period where the Habs will have multiple defencemen on their ELC/cheap RFA contracts. Not really a big deal.

#5 D shouldn't be paid 3.8M......worst case scenario is that we are stuck with a contract and player we don't need. Of course, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but it could.

I don't see Matheson as a top pairing D, so he's on the 2nd or 3rd pairing.
I think it won't be long before Guhle, Harris, Norlinder or Xhekaj are also fighting for these spots cause i don't see any of them being 1st pairing D for the next 4 years.

It's still 4 more years at 4.8M$....It's not a problem next year for sure, but could become down the road.
 

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Gally's ppg the past 3 seasons.

0.73
0.66
0.43

His biggest problem is his health. When you consider that he's really not that old yet, is clearly broken down, and will have a long offseason for the first time in a while, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he bounces back and manages to play 60+ games.

Maybe if he gets back to something around 20 goals/50 points we could actually move him.
 

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The Habs have no “albatross” contract’s, not within the current salary cap.

I agree Gally’s contract looks like it will be a burden but given the way he plays his contract will be LTIR before it hurts….much like Price’s.

Most of other guys listed are deadline deals.
 

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Oh Bergevin joke...haven't heard that one before.

Maybe you, like him, dont understand how contracts work.

Players don't always get paid for what they're worth or going to do, that's true for the Habs and it's true for all the other teams.

That obviously doesn't mean you go handing inflated contracts right, left and centre...but it's also par for the course when players reach a certain vested status in the NHL, they get paid for what they've done rather than what they're going to do.

The Tampa Bay Lightning won back to back Stanley Cups with players who had "bad contracts".

Welcome to pro sports.
And then you get some organizations that don’t do that. Organizations that actually make good decisions on not giving huge contracts that won’t work out, and who actually do that without, say, dumping franchise defencemen who want two years. Competent organizations run by people other than Bergevin.

Pro sports are tough, most of the management is incompetent, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t aspire to more.
 
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Josh Anderson isnt a bad contract.
Hockey writers arent a management team and the moment they are going to understand the law of supply. They will understand that a 6ft3 winger, skating like the wind, able to score 20 goals is something rare on the trade market. then, I hope they are gonna understand his contract isnt that bad.
Guy is 28 and scored 20 goals exactly once
 
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And then you get some organizations that don’t do that. Organizations that actually make good decisions on not giving huge contracts that won’t work out, and who actually do that without, say, dumping franchise defencemen who want two years. Competent organizations run by people other than Bergevin.
Not really...it's inevitable. I think you can find "bad" contracts on pretty much every team.

Again, the players are playing the system too you know?

Teams use the CBA try to keep salaries down, players use the CBA to try to drive salaries up.

Said it earlier, the Tampa Bay Lightning won back to back Cups with guys like Tyler Johnson or Barclay Goodrow or Yanni Gourde on "bad" contracts, hell one can argue Steven Stamkos fits that bill too...did anyone care?

Of course not...they won.
Pro sports are tough, most of the management is incompetent, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t aspire to more.
Of course not...but I think it's important to not get too caught up in this subjective stuff of who has a "bad" contract stuff either.

It would be amazing to have 23 amazing value contracts but that's not realistic, the system ain't built that way. The system is built to control player costs early and for as long as possible and then vested players tend to get their end at some point.

The Huberdeau example is a perfect one...no one actually believes he's going to fulfill the value of that entire deal. The Flames are banking on immediate dividends while putting off the financial burden his deal is going to surely bring.

I mean not even the Flames believe he's going to be a 90+pt player when he's 35yrs old.

But if he puts up 100pts next year again...no one will care that it's a bad contract and even if he does get 100pts, it's still a bad contract.
 

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Guy is 28 and scored 20 goals exactly once
Could say the same about alot of guys in his salary range

Burakovsky- 2 20 goal seasons
Hyman- 3 20 goal seasons (playing shotgun with 2 of the top 3 forwards in the game)
Zucker 4 20 goal seasons (but he's a bit older)
Koneckny- 3 20 goal seasons
Bjorkstrand- 3 20 goal seasons

I don't know...seems pretty much on par for that type of player.
 

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Price's yearly signing bonuses aren't covered by insurance, so that team would have to eat up the 17.5 mil in bonuses left and only 7 mil left to pay in actual salary.

A team would need to be desperate to reach the cap floor to take on so much left to pay.
Some teams don't seem to be worried about the cash. Not many, but some.
 

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Josh Anderson isnt a bad contract.
Hockey writers arent a management team and the moment they are going to understand the law of supply. They will understand that a 6ft3 winger, skating like the wind, able to score 20 goals is something rare on the trade market. then, I hope they are gonna understand his contract isnt that bad.
Or they understand that a forward should not be paid more just because he is big. Hoffman is criticized on a daily basis on this board while he is signed for less money and term than Anderson, has scored a little less goals but more points last year and both are just as bad defensively. 5.5m for a defensive liability scoring 20 goals when uninjured but not bringing anything in the game is a bad contract, which does not mean he does not hold any value, except that in the current market, cap is king.
If Anderson has several seasons like his 18/19 one the contract will be worth it but that does not look like it right now.
 

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Could say the same about alot of guys in his salary range

Burakovsky- 2 20 goal seasons
Hyman- 3 20 goal seasons (playing shotgun with 2 of the top 3 forwards in the game)
Zucker 4 20 goal seasons (but he's a bit older)
Koneckny- 3 20 goal seasons
Bjorkstrand- 3 20 goal seasons

I don't know...seems pretty much on par for that type of player.
Zucker is a liability PIT can‘t wait to get out of this contract. All the other players you mention are useful on the ice outside of their goal scoring. Bjorkstrand has been consistently outscoring Anderson, has less term and only got a 3rd and a 4th.

Konecny is younger has less term and outscores Anderson too.
Hyman is a very good two way player
Burakovsky is more consistent than Anderson, better defensively, has outscored Anderson for the past three years on a stacked team to be fair.
 
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The top five depicted by the hockey writers is;

Price 5th
Anderson 4th
Hoffman 3rd
Armia 2nd
Gallager 1st

not listed was Drouin and Dadanov. I see Drouin as the worst.

You got to pay some price to get shot at cup. Other teams were league worst clubs for 6 years. Colorado, Tampa, Black Hawks, Leafs, Oilers, Kings. All others actually Or a Florida who traded away their next 4 first picks. Bergs got you there without dipping into farm or trading first picks. all it costs was a few bad contracts. He must been smart hockey man to do that. Because no other GM has done it
 

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Or they understand that a forward should not be paid more just because he is big. Hoffman is criticized on a daily basis on this board while he is signed for less money and term than Anderson, has scored a little less goals but more points last year and both are just as bad defensively. 5.5m for a defensive liability scoring 20 goals when uninjured but not bringing anything in the game is a bad contract, which does not mean he does not hold any value, except that in the current market, cap is king.
If Anderson has several seasons like his 18/19 one the contract will be worth it but that does not look like it right now.
I don’t get why you compare anderson vs hoffman. It’s like compare apple and orange. The league is full of guy like Hoffman. Boston have Debrusk amd Craig Smith, their value are next to nothing.
 

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Zucker is a liability PIT can‘t wait to get out of this contract. All the other players you mention are useful on the ice outside of their goal scoring. Bjorkstrand has been consistently outscoring Anderson, has less term and only got a 3rd and a 4th.
I think you missed the point...the point was that Josh Anderson's contract is reflective of his value throughout the league.

He's paid according to his comparables.


Konecny is younger has less term and outscores Anderson too.
Hyman is a very good two way player
Burakovsky is more consistent than Anderson, better defensively, has outscored Anderson for the past three years on a stacked team to be fair.
Again, the point wasn't to split hairs over how Anderson compares to these players...the point was to indicate that his production is in line with these players.

He's paid according to his market value.
 
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I don’t get why you compare anderson vs hoffman. It’s like compare apple and orange. The league is full of guy like Hoffman. Boston have Debrusk amd Craig Smith, their value are next to nothing.

A good player is a player who makes his team better. My point is that I don‘t know how Anderson makes the team better and is valuable.

I think you missed the point...the point was that Josh Anderson's contract is reflective of his value throughout the league.

He's paid according to his comparables.



Again, the point wasn't to split hairs over how Anderson compares to these players...the point was to indicate that his production is in line with these players.

He's paid according to his market value.
Well if he is paid more than people doing better things than him, he is overpaid. That is the case and this is what I tried to show above.
 

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A good player is a player who makes his team better. My point is that I don‘t know how Anderson makes the team better and is valuable.


Well if he is paid more than people doing better things than him, he is overpaid. That is the case and this is what I tried to show above.
Every team with cap space would like to acquire Josh Anderson, the opposite, every team with cap space wouldnt acquire Hoffman.
 

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The top five depicted by the hockey writers is;

Price 5th
Anderson 4th
Hoffman 3rd
Armia 2nd
Gallager 1st

not listed was Drouin and Dadanov. I see Drouin as the worst.

The top five depicted by the hockey writers is;

Price 5th
Anderson 4th
Hoffman 3rd
Armia 2nd
Gallager 1st

not listed was Drouin and Dadanov. I see Drouin as the worst.

well if you watched Drouin last year he was doing more than all of those guys except Anderson. If you mean it’s because he’s always injured then you can say that about Gallagher too in past years

Armia is on the list because he is crap and his contract goes for 3 more damn years. He and Gallagher are definitely the most idiotic contracts on the team. At least Hoffman's only goes to 23-24.
Gallagher earned the AAV but the term is horrific

I don’t get why you compare anderson vs hoffman. It’s like compare apple and orange. The league is full of guy like Hoffman. Boston have Debrusk amd Craig Smith, their value are next to nothing.
Why can you compare two fruits? Haha maybe if you said you can’t compare apples to broccoli lol 😝

Anderson isn’t much better though. So predictable and hardly gets back with a below average shot
 

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A good player is a player who makes his team better. My point is that I don‘t know how Anderson makes the team better and is valuable.
I think he makes this team better...but he's not a franchise player, he's not paid like one either.
Well if he is paid more than people doing better things than him, he is overpaid. That is the case and this is what I tried to show above.
He's paid the same amount and his production is in line with them.

He's currently 106th in the NHL amongst forwards in terms of cap hits. I don't see what the problem is here?

You can use whatever superlative to describe his contract (i.e. overpaid) it doesn't change the facts.

Phil Danault just had his first 20 goal season this past season and he's making the same cap hit (Yes I understand he's a much more complete player).

Look I get it, Josh Anderson can be frustrating as a player and his contract is a bit longer than I'd like but his salary is in line with the market.
 

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What does "A" mean? Achievement of...etc?

See link for explanation:

 
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The top five depicted by the hockey writers is;

Price 5th
Anderson 4th
Hoffman 3rd
Armia 2nd
Gallager 1st

not listed was Drouin and Dadanov. I see Drouin as the worst.

I only worry about the Gallagher and Price contracts (although if Price LTI-Retires, then I only worry about the Gallagher one)
 

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The top five depicted by the hockey writers is;

Price 5th
Anderson 4th
Hoffman 3rd
Armia 2nd
Gallager 1st

not listed was Drouin and Dadanov. I see Drouin as the worst.


Don't have the time to do that right now but apart from the Price contract (where I think the reaction was mixed), fans on this board were happy with everyone of those deals, at the time they were made. You can go dig up those threads if you wish but it's absolutely true.
 

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