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Reinbacher’s looking great this year. Understand the excitement, no doubt he’ll win the calder.
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Bouboumaster
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RedHawkDown
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What about 4 weeks ago when Detroit was ahead in the standings? Was it clear cut in the opposite direction back then?
Insane how much stock people put in winning and losing streaks of very similar teams. Montreal and Detroit have the same number of wins and the difference between the two teams is 3 OT losses for Montreal. And that's with the recent 3-10 run for Detroit.
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Difference is, we're supposed to be 1 or 2 years behind the Red Wings, in the rebuild timeline
The fact that the Wings are still where they are is a problem IMO
You can disagree with that but then you'd be wrong
RedHawkDown
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I agree it’s a problem. I just don’t agree you’re ahead. That’s it.
You have Demidov, Hage, Reinbacher and Fowler coming, we have ASP, Buchelnikov, Danielson, and Augustine/Cossa coming. The teams are extremely close.
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What if that's actually true though and Montreal sees some regression next season?
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If we are looking at teams that succeed you need a game changer at F, a true franchise forward
I don’t see that in Detroit group the same way as I see in Habs future in Demidov
Larkin- Raymond vs Suzuki- Caufield we can have pretty much as equal and Larkin is already in the peak of his prime
That’s where I see the Detroit rebuild failing
Barkov- Tkachuk
Matthews- Nylander
Point- Kucherov
You need a stronger high end
Even Montreals is very questionable for will it be strong enough to be a legit top tier contender, but Demidov has the it factor the most
Raymond, Cat, Larkin, Kane
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Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Laine
I take the Habs group....but it is relatively equal.
As Kane ages out....the Wings have to hope for Kasper to fill their "big 4".
Habs have no one ageing out and are about to add Demidov. Wings will be adding Buchlenikov. Moving forward its hard to tell.
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At D.....
Seider and Edvinsson are nice pieces.
Hutson + Guhle are also nice pieces.
Habs adding Reinbacher in short order. Wings adding Sandin-Pelikka.
Pretty equal. Hutson will be the difference maker if he continues into Norris trophy contendership in a few years. Until then......equal.
Fowler vs Cossa?
Only time will tell. Equal.
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Too close to call everyone and would be stupid to predict.
As long as we both leapfrog the Leafs and Sens I will be very happy.
vs.
Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Laine
I take the Habs group....but it is relatively equal.
As Kane ages out....the Wings have to hope for Kasper to fill their "big 4".
Habs have no one ageing out and are about to add Demidov. Wings will be adding Buchlenikov. Moving forward its hard to tell.
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At D.....
Seider and Edvinsson are nice pieces.
Hutson + Guhle are also nice pieces.
Habs adding Reinbacher in short order. Wings adding Sandin-Pelikka.
Pretty equal. Hutson will be the difference maker if he continues into Norris trophy contendership in a few years. Until then......equal.
Fowler vs Cossa?
Only time will tell. Equal.
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Too close to call everyone and would be stupid to predict.
As long as we both leapfrog the Leafs and Sens I will be very happy.
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Even if you take the rose-colored view of all other teams (as I predict you will), I think the comparison gets less lopsided if you include teams that are less top-heavy such as Dallas, Carolina, Vegas, Washington, Winnipeg etc.
Sure, that could happen too. It's almost as if it's hard to predict exactly how things will progress. Realistically I see both teams getting better, although it might not be a completely linear process for either of them.
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Have to give it to the habs for the fact that Detroit started their rebuild 86 years sooner
BB88
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Ah the non Detroit, Montreal fan is here with the rose colored glasses on and not the forever loyal Detroit fan…
Don’t even try to compare Detroit’s build or future outlook to Dallas
You also love to underrate Vegas like crazy. Detroit doesn’t have the star power Vegas had on their Stanley Cup run. Eichel has shown clearly higher ceiling than Larkin, then add all the rest from Marchessault& Stone etc. Just as a team they are build very different to Detroit
Carolina& Winnipeg are great regular season teams, is again that the goal for Detroit? Be a good team, not an elite team?
Carolinas problem has been not having that game changer, why they are 0-12 in the Eastern finals. Care to tell us more about the mighty success of Winnipeg in the playoffs?
What if we look at the consistent elite teams. Tampa, Florida, Boston, Pens, Chicago, LA, Washington, Colorado, Dallas, Vegas, (Edmonton)
But that wouldn’t be okay with you, but keep making my point. Detroit is building a good team, not a top tier team
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I said "less lopsided", not "Detroit's players are exactly equal". The point was that not every successful team has those 2 superstar guys driving the bus. Different builds are possible and it all hinges on some things going right for Detroit, something you're clearly not interested in considering as even a remote possibility.
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Incredible how that guy is wrong about literally everything lol. He does make all the wings threads entertaining i'll give him that haha.Still think he's a bum?
Looks like Raymond isn't trending for 90+ points anymore like a poste arrogantly claimed earlier in this thread. "Trending significantly better than Suzuki". No, I don't think so.
You can add in Beck, Kapanen and Joshua Roy in the Habs column. And Hutson/Slaf are 20 / 21 years old.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Sure then add Plante, Brandsegg-Nygard, and Lombardi in the Wings column. And Kasper/Edvinsson are 20/22 years old.
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look at linemates. Raymond's never had a significant ppg lead over his line mates. Nick has led the team in scoring four years in a row and hasn't had a team mate close to him since toffoli.
5v5
Raymond at 22: 1.7 pts/60
Suzuki at 22: 1.69 pts/60
Raymond most common linemates:
Debrincat: 1.75 pts/60
Larkin: 1.56 pts/60
Kaspar: 1.46 pts/60
Suzuki most common linemates at 22:
Caufield (20 yrs old rookie season): 1.65 pts/60
Josh Anderson: 1.56 pts/60
Toffoli: 1.28 pts/60
Good on Raymond for being a part of a historic PP (that is gonna be impossible to repeat)
If you want to, you're free to admit Anderson, rookie Caufield and Toffoli on a massive down year are better than Larkin, Debrincat and Kaspar
Suzuki was literally on the worst team in the NHL as well.
Also if you wanna talk about trends, Slafkovsky is trending better than Raymond at the same age. (would love to see you wiggle your way around this lol)
Truth is there's no one in the Wings organization I take before Suzuki, Demidov, Hutson and Slafkovsky.
Also, Raymond has 49% of his points on the PP!!! Lane Hutson has as many even strength points as him lmao.
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