Thoughts on Chatfield's Takedown Yesterday?

[Isaac Nootin]

No, that's just called integrity and self respect.

Are the smaller players allowed to hit? Just trying to figure out how this works.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I only wished it was Wilson instead on the receiving end.

Definitely don't wish it on anyone, but gun to my head, there's definitely a ton of players more deserving of that than McMichael for sure like Reimer, Tage Thompson, Provorov, or as you've said Wilson.

 

[PB37]

For those who didn’t see the game last night, this was the tone immediately leading up to this incident:



Immediately after that, McMichael chased Chatfield down behind the play to instigate another fight. Note that this happened around 5:30, which is right at the borderline where he doesn’t risk a suspension for doing it.

This is the fight in real-time. Remember, neither of these guys is an experienced fighter.



Sorry if I don’t have any pearls handy to clutch over this. The Caps wanted the smoke and they got it. Unsurprisingly, something dangerous happened as a result. It’s not so fun when it’s your guy getting the sharp end of the stick.

I didn't see the game - saw the Chatfield takedown and thought it was dirty - but after getting context, Caps had it coming. Good for the Canes.

 

[My3Sons]

It's unfortunate that we couldn't keep our cool, even when provoked and game getting out of hand.

I don't think Chatfield meant to martial arts someone, but I don't like the takedown when the other guy is helmetless, so he will probably be disciplined and that's fine.

And at the end of the day, Wilson is a professional goon who won because everyone is talking about this play instead of Wilson going after all the smaller guys.

The Hurricanes have always struggled with the physicality line in the playoffs which costs us...if we meet Washington we will have to be more composed and handle Wilson better.

Has Wilson ever fought a genuine tough guy? He's taken some runs at smaller players but I don't recall him answering the bell against a guy his own size who can fight. I don't like the idea of the league returning to the state of the game 20 years ago where each team has to ice a thug but the DoPS is doing its best to incentivize that.

 

[sabremike]

Definitely don't wish it on anyone, but gun to my head, there's definitely a ton of players more deserving of that than McMichael for sure like Reimer, Tage Thompson, Provorov, or as you've said Wilson.

To quote Ron White: "Next time you have a thought... just let it go."

 

[PB37]

Has Wilson ever fought a genuine tough guy? He's taken some runs at smaller players but I don't recall him answering the bell against a guy his own size who can fight. I don't like the idea of the league returning to the state of the game 20 years ago where each team has to ice a thug but the DoPS is doing its best to incentivize that.

He has. He got beat up by Josh Anderson this year. Kevan Miller got the better of him in their 2nd fight. Adam McQuaid mopped the floor with him fairly easily.

 

[max21]

Has Wilson ever fought a genuine tough guy? He's taken some runs at smaller players but I don't recall him answering the bell against a guy his own size who can fight. I don't like the idea of the league returning to the state of the game 20 years ago where each team has to ice a thug but the DoPS is doing its best to incentivize that.

Oleksiak, Chara, Reaves, Tkachuk, Lemieux just off the top of my head. The newest thing now is he doesn’t fight tough guys for whatever reason, maybe justifying the fact now that he’s also a 30 goal scoring winger. Seems to be a lot of Bruins fans that come out with their pitchforks against him for some reason

 

[HTFN]

Maybe don't cross check an unsuspecting player in the back with enough force to send them flying? Like just because that shit happens doesn't mean it's not going to get the opposing team pissed off and start shit.

The yes or no question here is what Wilson did in that moment a POS dirty move? The answer is yes. Was it egregious? I guess it depends on your definition of egregious... but also yes? Like what would be the defence of that action at all?

lol are you for real here?

talking about Wilson like it would change the outcome of a judo throw is one (crazy) thing but what you're going with is that a crosscheck in front of the net at the whistle is the big action that justifies it all? Just put it all on Wilson's tab and deflect because he shoved a guy who, if I'm not mistaken, was just jamming at the net?

surely that's not what we're saying, right? we remember we're hockey fans and what clearing a crease looks like, don't we?

 

[HabsForHire]

I don’t think it’s that different from a lot of the takedowns we see nowadays, but the league should probably step in and clarify- not cool, very dangerous.

it's very different, using your leg like that to slow foot in a fight is bush league. could have been a verrrrry bad outcome

 

[JimmyG89]

But didn’t. So there you have it.

Weird how the same guy keeps ending up in the middle of these incidents and then the argument comes up about what someone else did after things escalated out of control. It’s almost like the common element actually needs to be addressed.

Not to mention that there was no remorse at all after this happened. Panarin missed the rest of the season after that incident, which was significantly more dangerous. Even their social media team leaned into it. Nothing from DoPS either, so the precedent is set.

I have zero remorse for anything that happens to or involving Wilson. None. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Don't care how many old ladies he helped carry their groceries home or helped cross the street. On the ice, he is a dumb as they come and has caused significantly more harm than good.

This game will be much better as soon as he is out of the league.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Do you have the video of the Burns skate on OV? That was so cool men. Sent a direct message to those Caps that we won’t be pushed around in Raleigh!

I think the scoreboard did that

 

[illicit]

Canes fans trying to justify a dangerous play, "but but but Wilson". If Tom did what Chatfield did, you guys would be losing your mind. See you next Thursday.

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

Canes fans,
If you want to complain about Tom Wilson, I don't like him either, then make a Tom Wilson thread. Otherwise this is the very definition of him living rent free in your head. As much as you say he instigated it, the fact is that he was not involved. Tom Wilson saying mean things does not justify that move by Chatfield.

 

[HTFN]

Sorry if I don’t have any pearls handy to clutch over this. The Caps wanted the smoke and they got it. Unsurprisingly, something dangerous happened as a result. It’s not so fun when it’s your guy getting the sharp end of the stick.

The fact that you don't is wild behavior.

Nobody's upset that the game got spicy except a few Canes fans in this thread, the issue is clearly about how close we just came to watching someone go to the hospital. You spending the majority of your posts in this thread saying "but what about Wilson" and "well I'm not excusing it, but did you guys see how mean the Caps were being" is crazy.

You realize you can just... not comment if you don't want to talk about the actual thread, right?

 

[max21]

He has. He got beat up by Josh Anderson this year. Kevan Miller got the better of him in their 2nd fight. Adam McQuaid mopped the floor with him fairly easily.

I’ll say it I guess “rent free”

 

[PB37]

I’ll say it I guess “rent free”

Facts are indeed free.

 

[Sheppy]

Yeah, i absolutely can't stand that stuff. If you don't want to fight, tie the guy up, don't dump him on his head.

Bush league.

I don't think he should really be suspended, but fine him at least.

 

[caps4cup]

Has Wilson ever fought a genuine tough guy? He's taken some runs at smaller players but I don't recall him answering the bell against a guy his own size who can fight. I don't like the idea of the league returning to the state of the game 20 years ago where each team has to ice a thug but the DoPS is doing its best to incentivize that.

Do you actually believe he’s never fought a tough guy or do you just really want that to be true? Here’s some of the guys he’s fought:

Ryan Reaves (2x)
Matt Martin (3x)
Mark Borowiecki (3x)
Zdeno Chara
Jared Boll
Tom Sestito
Dalton Prout
Reese Johnston
Nic Deslauriers
Rich Clune

Those are the guys that stuck out as heavyweights. Wayne Simmonds, Anders Lee, Josh Anderson, and Jarred Tinordi all stuck out as bigger guys that are still active/were recently playing, that it looks like he fought multiple times but aren’t heavyweights.

 

[gojetsgo]

I’m glad someone started a thread on this so I can point out that it was immediately preceded by 3 periods of Tom Wilson openly threatening to injure someone on national TV while taking repeated runs the smallest players on the ice, until he finally came across 5’8” Logan Stankoven… who dropped him to his knees with a right cross.

But yeah, the next guy who deliberately picked a fight with a non-fighter didn’t like being exposed to injury as a result. Concerning. Someone should be doing something about this dangerous behavior.

dude did the same shit vs the jets, went after ehlers and everyone of our small guys and when he got into the corner with schenn he cowered and hid behind the refs and schenn ended up with an unsportsmanlike for dropping the gloves

 

[My3Sons]

He has. He got beat up by Josh Anderson this year. Kevan Miller got the better of him in their 2nd fight. Adam McQuaid mopped the floor with him fairly easily.

Fair enough. Does he act up quite as much against a team that ices a guy who can give him a real fight? I am skeptical that Wilson practices what he preaches but I don't follow the Caps closely enough. What I will say is he has not acted up in games against NJ this season and they've added guys who will fight. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Wilson is a talented player. It's a shame he feels the need to do the things that have gotten him suspended.

On the topic of the thread, the context of course matters and it's not a shock Wilson was in the thick of it. As a neutral fan, what Chatfield did was wrong in my view and two wrongs don't make a right (even if three rights make a left) but if he's not an experienced fighter I could see it being a thoughtless moment as opposed to a calculated move. The Canes could use a thug on the roster to ice if needed. They really don't have anyone that is a serious threat in a fight. They could have used that last night maybe the game doesn't get out of hand if Wilson doesn't answer the bell in the first place.

 

[caps4cup]

Not to mention that there was no remorse at all after this happened. Panarin missed the rest of the season after that incident, which was significantly more dangerous. Even their social media team leaned into it. Nothing from DoPS either, so the precedent is set.

I have zero remorse for anything that happens to or involving Wilson. None. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Don't care how many old ladies he helped carry their groceries home or helped cross the street. On the ice, he is a dumb as they come and has caused significantly more harm than good.

This game will be much better as soon as he is out of the league.

There were 3 games left for the Rangers that season and they finished 11 points out of the playoffs. There was zero reason to have your best player playing even if it was the most minor of injuries.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Extremely intentional and dangerous. Shame there's no supplemental discipline.

 

[Primary Assist]

The rulebook doesn't really clarify what is/isn't allowed in a fight. Can't really call it intent to injure either when it looks like the intent was to just get a takedown. No rule broken, no suspension.

Very glad McMichael wasn't hurt

 

[My3Sons]

Do you actually believe he’s never fought a tough guy or do you just really want that to be true? Here’s some of the guys he’s fought:

Ryan Reaves (2x)
Matt Martin (3x)
Mark Borowiecki (3x)
Zdeno Chara
Jared Boll
Tom Sestito
Dalton Prout
Reese Johnston
Nic Deslauriers
Rich Clune

Those are the guys that stuck out as heavyweights. Wayne Simmonds, Anders Lee, Josh Anderson, and Jarred Tinordi all stuck out as bigger guys that are still active/were recently playing, that it looks like he fought multiple times but aren’t heavyweights.

Neither are true. I was asking a genuine question. I don't follow fighting and I don't follow the Caps. I've only seen some highlights of Wilson and a few games where I've never seen him fight anyone. I'm glad to see he has been called out and answered the bell.

 

[PB37]

Fair enough. Does he act up quite as much against a team that ices a guy who can give him a real fight? I am skeptical that Wilson practices what he preaches but I don't follow the Caps closely enough. What I will say is he has not acted up in games against NJ this season and they've added guys who will fight. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Wilson is a talented player. It's a shame he feels the need to do the things that have gotten him suspended.

On the topic of the thread, the context of course matters and it's not a shock Wilson was in the thick of it. As a neutral fan, what Chatfield did was wrong in my view and two wrongs don't make a right (even if three rights make a left) but if he's not an experienced fighter I could see it being a thoughtless moment as opposed to a calculated move. The Canes could use a thug on the roster to ice if needed. They really don't have anyone that is a serious threat in a fight. They could have used that last night maybe the game doesn't get out of hand if Wilson doesn't answer the bell in the first place.

After Reaves tamed him, Wilson always seemed to play it straight anytime those two were in the same game.