Habs vs Sens
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Montreal’s young talent is stepping up big, and under Martin St. Louis, they have built a hungry, resilient identity. Their strong five on five play and defensive improvements show they’re trending in the right direction.
Also Kent Hughes is a wise GM
Also Kent Hughes is a wise GM
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Do they tho?
IMO the best skater on either team is Suzuki, without a doubt
Stützle could be a bit more offensive, but Suzuki's 2 ways game blow Stützle's out of the water
Is Batherson better than Caufield?
IMO, the answer is the Habs, easily
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Habs and it’s not that close imo. And I generally think habs fans overrate their prospects, but it’s hard to over state just how bad Ottawa has fumbled their rebuild. Not in the sense that they are underachieving or have a loser culture or something, but more like they dealt assets for players that clearly didn’t want to be there that they never should have gotten rid of. Ottawa could be so much better long term if they just trusted the process.
I think both Tkachuk and Stutzle are better players than Suzuki. Stutzle’s 90 point season is more than any Hab player has put up in over 15 years. And yes Batherson is better than Caufield.
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NHL edge disagrees with that, and it’s not that close
Over different skating stats measured,
Stutzle ranks from the 92%, 97% , 97%, 98%, 99%, 99% percentile.
Suzuki , ranks below 50%, 52%, 68%, 82%, 84%, 91%, 93% percentile.
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Bouboumaster
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Last year:
Suzuki: 77 points
Stützle: 70 points
This year, they have the same amount of points. With Suzuki being a better two ways players
Suzuki > Stützle
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As you are aware Stutzle played hurt all year from game 4 on. Now healthy, will get back to close to 90 points.
At Stu’s age when he got 90 , Nick was getting less than half that.
that has zero to do with the skating metrics, that you replied to,This year, they have the same amount of points. With Suzuki being a better two ways players
Suzuki > Stützle
Most GM’s take Stutzle and Brady over Suzuki, probably not even close.
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Golden_Jet
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You said Suzuki was a better skater,
He’s not,
it’s likely you meant to say better player, scorer, something along those lines.
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Easily Habs. Pipeline for years. Superior depth at forward and defense. Ottawa's window could close before it even opens if they can't figure out how to keep Tkachuk when his contract expires in just 3 more years after this one.
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Bouboumaster
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He might have peaked at 90 points
Suzuki is still putting more and more points
L take overall
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I mean...the poll is "who is in better shape moving forward?". Not , "who is the best team right now?". Moving forward suggests a future level of understanding and the Tkachuk contract is a huge component of Ottawa's future.
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sens have more high end talent but habs have more depth. sens have been more wasteful with their talent. i still go sens but i could see the habs winning in the long run
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Sens fairly easily. Their guys have all developed and we know what they have. With the Habs, while Suzuki has shown he is a good player, none of their other guys have shown they are on the same level as Tkachuk, Stutzle etc.
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Without Demidov, it’s easily the Sens. With Demidov, who is of course a Habs prospect, I think it becomes too close to call and maybe even edge to Habs. He’s going to be a hell of a player.
Right now the sens would likely wipe habs in a 7 game series.
Right now the sens would likely wipe habs in a 7 game series.
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You would think Ottawa would be far ahead with their present day team but something just never came together with their rebuild. I was really impressed with their drafting for many years and thought they were building something good but yeah, just should be better right now.
Montreal gets the benefit of the doubt right now, but now they have to actually go and do it. They've never had to actually put together the results yet as their timeline is quite a few years behind Ottawa. Hutson and Demidov are no joke though, those guys could change their entire trajectory. A lot of these rebuilds look good at this stage and just never progress well enough. Hughes does seem like a good GM to me.
Montreal gets the benefit of the doubt right now, but now they have to actually go and do it. They've never had to actually put together the results yet as their timeline is quite a few years behind Ottawa. Hutson and Demidov are no joke though, those guys could change their entire trajectory. A lot of these rebuilds look good at this stage and just never progress well enough. Hughes does seem like a good GM to me.
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Thanks tips, So now we need assume that certain players won’t sign another contract in 4 years,
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Not sure why it can’t be part of the dicussion
If the thread is upsetting to you you can just not open it
Doom Bot
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Wouldn't their guys being fully developed and their team still being right with MTL in the standings be more of a negative for a future outlook?
Golden_Jet
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lol, it’s not upsetting, I just stated my opinion, if that bothers you, you can just go onto the next post.
