GDT: Habs vs Sens

[OnTheRun]

Do we know the actual lines for tonight?

As per RDS:
Les trios probables

Pacioretty-Drouin-Gallagher,

Lehkonen-Plekanec-Hudon,

Byron-Danault-Shaw,

De La Rose-Galchenyuk-Hemsky

 

[MaxDummy]

Drouin benefits from being the new shiny toy.

 

[De Montreal]

I really dont see no problem with Galchenyuk on a ''4th'' line if he get to play with Hemsky and he also get tons of powerplay time, which he will.

Actually, a few weeks ago, I suggested we should put Byron / Danault / Shaw together, leaving Galchenyuk with Hemsky and one of McCarron or Mitchell. I wasnt expecting JDLR there but he had a good camp and deserve it. Bottom line, the lines for game 1 are the same I wanted.

Now, I only hope I will also agree with Julien pairings... I really dont see why Streit should stick with us, but it looks like it will. Hopefully it's as a 8th dman. Mete will get a 9 games tryout, once Schlemko is back he might get sent down but I hope not.

Mete - Weber
Schlemko - Petry
Alzner - Benn
Davidson, Streit

 

[Belial]

Streit should not even be tought about as a first pair option. Even for just one game.

You don't get it... This is the same situation as with Mitchell a couple of days ago when he played on the first line. I don't think they are planning to go with Mete on the first pair when the season starts, he will probably play with Benn.

If there are issues, and there always are, then that's the time for experiments. Only a feckless coach would put a less than perfect lineup in stone.

There're lines that are clicking and a guy that's lost, you want to break lines that are clicking just so your idol get's a chance. Get real man, this is a team game, not individual showcase!

 

[ColinO]

As per RDS:
Les trios probables

Pacioretty-Drouin-Gallagher,

Lehkonen-Plekanec-Hudon,

Byron-Danault-Shaw,

De La Rose-Galchenyuk-Hemsky

Thanks.

 

[BLONG7]

Streit is not a top 6 on any serious contender.

Streit is not even an NHL Dman, anymore...maybe a 8th Dman, that's it...

 

[ColinO]

The one thing I will say is that, if these are the lines, I would not be surprised to see all four lines getting around the same minutes tonight. No reason not to - it's preseason. So I'm not sure it's accurate to say that AG is on the fourth line. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. I don't mind him with Hemsky (that is if he's not going to play with Max and Drouin. We'll get to see what DLR can do with a couple of good creative players.

 

[Tyson]

NICOLAS DESLAURIER on waivers. I like this kid on the 4th line. Big bruiser. Surprised Buffalo waived him.

 

[CauZuki]

You don't get it... This is the same situation as with Mitchell a couple of days ago when he played on the first line. I don't think they are planning to go with Mete on the first pair when the season starts, he will probably play with Benn.


There're lines that are clicking and a guy that's lost, you want to break lines that are clicking just so your idol get's a chance. Get real man, this is a team game, not individual showcase!

Yeah because the last 9 cup winners were all about the teams. It's not like they had star talent that they developed properly. Not one team has won primarily by just having good chemistry. Since the lockout the only proven way to win has been to have multiple elite pieces. We can't risk messing up Galchenyuk we don't have the star depth to compensate for it.

What you are describing is a team that makes the playoffs but never makes some noise once there. This is in line with Bergevin's "vision" and doesn't surprise me. If goal is to have good seasons and qualify for the playoffs Habs are in good shape. However if the goal is winning a cup our current strategy is laughable.

 

[groovejuice]

You don't get it... This is the same situation as with Mitchell a couple of days ago when he played on the first line. I don't think they are planning to go with Mete on the first pair when the season starts, he will probably play with Benn.


There're lines that are clicking and a guy that's lost, you want to break lines that are clicking just so your idol get's a chance. Get real man, this is a team game, not individual showcase!

I don't have hockey players as idols. I see a valuable player having a tough time, and I think the freakin team needs to do a better job addressing players who are slumping.

As usual you're offering up poorly disguised insults rather than address the topic at hand. Listen to yourself man, preseason isn't a good time to move players around to find the best possible lineup for the season. That's laughable.

 

[De Montreal]

Go Canadiens

 

[Tyson]

The one thing I will say is that, if these are the lines, I would not be surprised to see all four lines getting around the same minutes tonight. No reason not to - it's preseason. So I'm not sure it's accurate to say that AG is on the fourth line. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. I don't mind him with Hemsky (that is if he's not going to play with Max and Drouin. We'll get to see what DLR can do with a couple of good creative players.

Hemsky will become a healthy scratch pretty quickly. He simply imo brings nothing at this point in his career.

 

[De Montreal]

NICOLAS DESLAURIER on waivers. I like this kid on the 4th line. Big bruiser. Surprised Buffalo waived him.

He's basically Martinsen

 

[habergeon]

I have no doubt Galchenyuk can score 30 with Drouin.

The problem seems to be, in my opinion, is that Galchenyuk likes to drive his own offense. It's been pounded in his head since he got into the league. From the circles in, he tries to beat a few defenders for his chances. The fact that he can score like this is a credit to the kind of skill he has.

Drouin is very cerebral and plays at a high pace and use this to create openings for his linemates. Similar to Kovalev he's a puck possession guy who creates things out of nothing, but needs to have the puck to do this. His stick handling skills are absolutely amazing, trust me...we haven't seen anything yet from Jo.

But playing him with a winger like Galchenyuk, right now, doesn't work unless Alex is content just to move to scoring areas and get himself open. I can see why Patches workes so well with him as his strength is to do just that, and he'll score 40 playing a full season with Drouin simply by seeking open ice without the puck and benefiting from Drouin's passing and vision.

So far, Alex has been a little stubborn on how he prefers to create, and this is what is causing him issues as the league adapted to him and D units collapse when he has the puck.

If you notice on power plays, Galcheyuk has success playing exactly the opposite way. Moving to open areas and unleashing a very underrated shot, but on 5/5 Alex seems to put pressure on himself to carry the puck and create. Maybe because it's that he never really had offensive generating players with him, I"m not sure. It's weird, because in junior he was a pass first guy and a very good one with Yakupov, but it was Therrien who was trying to get him to shoot and be selfish. So now he is, and it's killing him.

If anyone can unlock his potential, it's Julien. And a guy like Hemsky will get the puck to Galchenyuk in scoring areas if Hemsky bring the puck in the zone. It should be one of the more interesting things to watch over the season.

 

[MaxDummy]

You don't get it... This is the same situation as with Mitchell a couple of days ago when he played on the first line. I don't think they are planning to go with Mete on the first pair when the season starts, he will probably play with Benn.


There're lines that are clicking and a guy that's lost, you want to break lines that are clicking just so your idol get's a chance. Get real man, this is a team game, not individual showcase!

Believe me I get it.

So Pacioretty - Drouin - Gallagher is clicking? Good. Now try Galchenyuk instead of Gallagher for the last preseason game. If it doesn't work we know we have a back up plan that's working with Gallagher.

 

[TheGame777]

Drouin benefits from being the new shiny toy.

He benefits from being better with puck and smarter on the ice.

 

[OnTheRun]

You don't get it... This is the same situation as with Mitchell a couple of days ago when he played on the first line. I don't think they are planning to go with Mete on the first pair when the season starts, he will probably play with Benn.


There're lines that are clicking and a guy that's lost, you want to break lines that are clicking just so your idol get's a chance. Get real man, this is a team game, not individual showcase!

Duh... Patches-DD-PAP was dynamite in the Preseason... How did that turn out for the super line? Oh yeah... Davey went pointless for the 20-something first games of the year. What is clicking in the preseason is is not super relevant. Sustainability matter lots more.

 

[SquiddFX]

NICOLAS DESLAURIER on waivers. I like this kid on the 4th line. Big bruiser. Surprised Buffalo waived him.

Probably because he wasn't very good. He was so bad they claimed Jordan Nolan to replace him.

 

[Belial]

Yeah because the last 9 cup winners were all about the teams. It's not like they had star talent that they developed properly. Not one team has won primarily by just having good chemistry. Since the lockout the only proven way to win has been to have multiple elite pieces. We can't risk messing up Galchenyuk we don't have the star depth to compensate for it.

What you are describing is a team that makes the playoffs but never makes some noise once there. This is in line with Bergevin's "vision" and doesn't surprise me. If goal is to have good seasons and qualify for the playoffs Habs are in good shape. However if the goal is winning a cup our current strategy is laughable.

I don't have hockey players as idols. I see a valuable player having a tough time, and I think the freakin team needs to do a better job addressing players who are slumping.

As usual you're offering up poorly disguised insults rather than address the topic at hand. Listen to yourself man, preseason isn't a good time to move players around to find the best possible lineup for the season. That's laughable.

If Chucky would be playing well we wouldn't have this debate right now but he's playing like crap! So give me a break.

 

[CauZuki]

If Chucky would be playing well we wouldn't have this debate right now but he's playing like crap! So give me a break.

Something something judge a fish by his ability to climb trees. Why is the standard on Galchenyuk so high? While everyone else can play with the same teammates? Do you think chemistry and skill matching isn't important? What about confidence, why are we assuming he is some willy vet while Drouin is the spring chicken. They are one year apart ffs.
Why are we giving him tuff love when he has shown to not respond well to that. Some players aren't nails...

 

[TheGame777]

So far, Alex has been a little stubborn on how he prefers to create, and this is what is causing him issues as the league adapted to him and D units collapse when he has the puck.

If you notice on power plays, Galcheyuk has success playing exactly the opposite way. Moving to open areas and unleashing a very underrated shot, but on 5/5 Alex seems to put pressure on himself to carry the puck and create. Maybe because it's that he never really had offensive generating players with him, I"m not sure. It's weird, because in junior he was a pass first guy and a very good one with Yakupov, but it was Therrien who was trying to get him to shoot and be selfish. So now he is, and it's killing him.

If anyone can unlock his potential, it's Julien. And a guy like Hemsky will get the puck to Galchenyuk in scoring areas if Hemsky bring the puck in the zone. It should be one of the more interesting things to watch over the season.

Quoted for truth. It's that simple, Galchenyuk can't keep the puck too long on his stick because of his inability to create plays. This is a fact that we can see since his entry in the league. At first it was alright because he was still new and he could adapt, but after 5 seasons, it will never change. He isn't the type of player that Drouin or that Radulov is. He has better success when he tries to stay open and shoot the puck. I saw him a lot in juniors, and he could create because the pressure isn't the same. He had time, he had space and he was a head over most players, but in the NHL this doesn't work if you're not meant for it. Hemsky can do exactly what Galchenyuk dreams about doing, and if he doesn't have success wih him its a lost cause. I'm sure he will be beneficial for him in the long run. Galchenyuk just needs to stick at what he's good at and let other player do what they are good at. Hugging the puck trying to dangle between players isn't working.

 

[habsterr]

Believe me I get it.

So Pacioretty - Drouin - Gallagher is clicking? Good. Now try Galchenyuk instead of Gallagher for the last preseason game. If it doesn't work we know we have a back up plan that's working with Gallagher.

Agreed we got to try that line at least once in the pre-season.

Martinsen > Deslaurier

 

[Belial]

Believe me I get it.

So Pacioretty - Drouin - Gallagher is clicking? Good. Now try Galchenyuk instead of Gallagher for the last preseason game. If it doesn't work we know we have a back up plan that's working with Gallagher.

I think it was already said pretty clear that Chucky will play at LW...

Duh... Patches-DD-PAP was dynamite in the Preseason... How did that turn out for the super line? Oh yeah... Davey went pointless for the 20-something first games of the year. What is clicking in the preseason is is not super relevant. Sustainability matter lots more.

So what's your point? Put Chucky on that line and even if it's clicking it's irrelevant? Do you see the irony?

Something something judge a fish by his ability to climb trees. Why is the standard on Galchenyuk so high? While everyone else can play with the same teammates? Do you think chemistry and skill matching isn't important? What about confidence, why are we assuming he is some willy vet while Drouin is the spring chicken. They are one year apart ffs.
Why are we giving him tuff love when he has shown to not respond well to that. Some players aren't nails...

Dude, the guy plays bad hockey and it has nothing to do with his teammates! Open your eyes...

 

[OnTheRun]

So what's your point? Put Chucky on that line and even if it's clicking it's irrelevant? Do you see the irony?

No I don't and why would I? Lines change over the course of a season, so what is clicking is pre-season is always irrelevant to that extent.
And like I said, sustainability is what matter. The offense of this team need to be jump started ASAP and there's literally zero upside in starting the season with one of the team best offensive player on a cold streak. None.

Breaking a line during pre-season is not exactly a sin, since the game don't matter and the change don't have to be permanent.

 

[scrubadam]

Drouin benefits from being the new shiny toy.

and scoring 2 points over the 2 games he played.

Guess he didn't get the memo and should of stunk it up out there and put up no points. He is making other guys look bad and thats a no no on this team. I hope he understands his place and plays horrible tonight so it makes it easier for CJ to move him down the line up for other players.

Seriously who does this guy think he is scoring a goal and getting an assist. The nerve of him!