Pre-Game Talk: Habs vs Kings

Tyson · 2024-10-16T11:05:35-0400

I read somewhere that the Kings stopped playing a 1-3-1. Habs had no answer for a big team playing that style. Should be interesting. LA has very weak goaltending and are missing Doughty.

Redux91 · 2024-10-16T11:08:52-0400

Campbell on the radio overseeing Habs practice says Heineman - Kapanen - Struble is unstoppable in 3 on 3 lol
Interesting

I'd prefer to have Evans with them 5 on 5 over Dvorak personally

Lafleurs Guy · 2024-10-16T11:13:58-0400

Canadienna said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1846526855517556780

I'm not a huge fan of JFresh and his models but this is pretty bad.

But not unexpected.

Defensively, we're going to be bad this year. Folks should just accept this now.

Offensively, I expect a fair bit of improvement.

Lafleurs Guy · 2024-10-16T11:15:52-0400

OldCraig71 said:
This is more of a coaching issue than just painting this like we have shit players. There are plenty of teams fairing better than us that have nothing to brag about in the talent department. MSL and his staff need to up their games.

Our players aren't shit but our D is really, really green.

morhilane · 2024-10-16T11:22:18-0400

Captain Mountain said:
Most top teams play at a frenetic pace and Montreal can't and/or wont do that.

That usually means the systems are too complex.

But the Habs also shows a real lack of efforts sometimes and some players are badly used (ex: Savard).

OldCraig71 · 2024-10-16T11:23:42-0400

Lafleurs Guy said:
Our players aren't shit but our D is really, really green.

This is year 3 of MSL and company and we should be seeing progression defensively and so far, I am not seeing anything different than the last two years. We are seeing players trapped for as much as 2 minutes without a change. Too much running around for my liking, chaos if you will.

Paddyjack · 2024-10-16T11:23:43-0400

morhilane said:
It's pretty bad because the Habs defense has been very crap at stopping players from ~~gettting in front of the net against Pits and Boston.~~ doing anything they want in the zone.

Fixed that for you. So far, I don't think I have seen a Habs team in 40 years being that bad defensively in their zone. It's ridiculous, and I'm pretty sure it's down to coaching. I would go as far as saying I never saw a TEAM in the NHL being as bad as this.

Lafleurs Guy · 2024-10-16T11:25:59-0400

OldCraig71 said:
This is year 3 of MSL and company and we should be seeing progression defensively and so far, I am not seeing anything different than the last two years. We are seeing players trapped for as much as 2 minutes without a change. Too much running around for my liking, chaos if you will.

Hutson, Xejac, Struble, Barron... these guys are all super green. Matheson has never been good defensively and never will be. We've got Guhle and Savard, that's pretty much it. And Mailloux will probably be joining at some point this year as well.

Unless we get a vet on the right side (something that might not be a bad idea) I don't see us being good in our own end anytime soon.

Habs · 2024-10-16T11:33:04-0400

Kings are a big nasty team, throwback to the Melrose era, I expect a physical game... our end of the ice could be a crime scene

They have gotten the cringey Danault tribute video out of the way already right?

Spearmint Rhino · 2024-10-16T11:33:43-0400

OldCraig71 said:
This is year 3 of MSL and company and we should be seeing progression defensively and so far, I am not seeing anything different than the last two years. We are seeing players trapped for as much as 2 minutes without a change. Too much running around for my liking, chaos if you will.

Move Guhle back to his natural side so he has an easier time of defending and moving the puck out and pair him with Hutson who’s pretty much a rover anyways. Matheson back with Savard - need to pump Squirrely Dan’s value which isn’t going to happen next to Lane

Ieatsht4brkfst · 2024-10-16T11:38:30-0400

with all the excuses the habs use in back to backs, if they dont come and win this game it will be pretty pathetic

red devil · 2024-10-16T11:38:35-0400

Copley could be starting for the Kings tomorrow

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846576123284516943

Theodore450 · 2024-10-16T11:42:17-0400

Captain Mountain said:
I don't know if its that they don't know what to do without the puck or that they don't know how to coach what to do without the puck. It feels like their system calls for a lot of active thought by players and a lot of back passing, and all its really doing is slowing the team down and giving opponents the initiative.

Most top teams play at a frenetic pace and Montreal can't and/or wont do that.

I miss when we were a fast team.
You’re spot on with giving the opponent the initiative

morhilane · 2024-10-16T11:45:19-0400

red devil said:
Copley could be starting for the Kings tomorrow

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846576123284516943

Goalies are already getting injured and the season barely started...

red devil · 2024-10-16T11:55:14-0400

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846579973701750866

domiwroze · 2024-10-16T11:56:29-0400

red devil said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1846579973701750866

Finally!

Hutson-Guhle
Matheson-Struble
Xhakej-Savard

OldCraig71 · 2024-10-16T11:56:50-0400

Lafleurs Guy said:
Hutson, Xejac, Struble, Barron... these guys are all super green. Matheson has never been good defensively and never will be. We've got Guhle and Savard, that's pretty much it. And Mailloux will probably be joining at some point this year as well.

Unless we get a vet on the right side (something that might not be a bad idea) I don't see us being good in our own end anytime soon.

Defense is a team effort and isn't just expected of blueliners. We have plenty of vets up front who should help our defense, but it isn't happening. If we are going to chalk it up to being green then we can expect the rebuild to go on for 2-3 more years.

Lafleurs Guy · 2024-10-16T11:58:41-0400

Spearmint Rhino said:
Move Guhle back to his natural side so he has an easier time of defending and moving the puck out and pair him with Hutson who’s pretty much a rover anyways. Matheson back with Savard - need to pump Squirrely Dan’s value which isn’t going to happen next to Lane

Trading Matheson makes sense on a lot of levels right now. It allows Guhle to go back to his normal side. We could get a vet RD. Hutson takes over PP1...

I like Matheson but he's not really a fit in our long term plans.

Lafleurs Guy · 2024-10-16T12:00:04-0400

OldCraig71 said:
Defense is a team effort and isn't just expected of blueliners. We have plenty of vets up front who should help our defense, but it isn't happening. If we are going to chalk it up to being green then we can expect the rebuild to go on for 2-3 more years.

I figured we'd be bad defensively and improve offensively. So far that's what we've seen.

I get what you're saying but this is a work in progress. I'm not concerned about this. I think we're an 85 point team this year.

Rapala · 2024-10-16T12:00:41-0400

Tyson said:
I read somewhere that the Kings stopped playing a 1-3-1. Habs had no answer for a big team playing that style. Should be interesting. LA has very weak goaltending and are missing Doughty.

They tried the flying V that had some success breaking down the 1-3-1. Four guys dropping back on puck retrieval attacking in unison...
I laughed like hell when they first did it because I kept thinking why aren't they doing something similar with our PP to help the pathetic zone entry.

Lafleurs Guy · 2024-10-16T12:01:05-0400

domiwroze said:
Finally!

Hutson-Guhle
Matheson-Struble
Xhakej-Savard

I don't think Struble's going to be on the right side.

Spearmint Rhino · 2024-10-16T12:03:51-0400

Lafleurs Guy said:
Trading Matheson makes sense on a lot of levels right now. It allows Guhle to go back to his normal side. We could get a vet RD. Hutson takes over PP1...

I like Matheson but he's not really a fit in our long term plans.

100% in favor of dealing him at his peak, expect he will crash and burn like Petry did

Captain Mountain · 2024-10-16T12:05:21-0400

Theodore450 said:
I miss when we were a fast team.
You’re spot on with giving the opponent the initiative

Montreal is a fast team, or can be. They just get bogged down in the defensive zone for too long, which means they're usually gassed by the time they actually get the puck out.

Personnel is an issue (lack of two way forwards and young, inexperienced teams deal with this constantly), but we're seeing D like Harris and Kovacevic being more effective on other teams and deteriorating play on D in Montreal (Matheson). That, plus the immediate statistical decline in Montreal's D play from Julien to Ducharme and greater decline from Ducharme to MSL suggests that coaching is at least partially to blame.

red devil · 2024-10-16T12:08:17-0400

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846583756221514077

Rapala · 2024-10-16T12:08:48-0400

OldCraig71 said:
Defense is a team effort and isn't just expected of blueliners. We have plenty of vets up front who should help our defense, but it isn't happening. If we are going to chalk it up to being green then we can expect the rebuild to go on for 2-3 more years.

There will be some very ugly games as the team goes from it doesn't really matter to now it does.
We are truly a weak team when under duress and until we can rectify that we'll continue to see those long pathetic shifts in our own end.
I'm amazed at how bad our link up play is and at how often just clearing the zone becomes a good play under the circumstances.
We have to be one of the very worst teams 1v1 in the entire league and it's one of the main reasons Man V Man made no sense whatsoever.

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