Habs VP of Communications defends Mailloux

[Ulic]

You don't think there's a gradation/difference between grooming underage higschool girls and what Mailloux did!? All in the same basket? Sorry but that sounds crazy too mee and that doesn't mean I'm diminishing what Mailloux did.

They are not the same. But they are absolutely in the same basket.

 

[Canadienna]

Here are two things I think are true:

It's important to get the facts straight before posting about it on the internet.

It can be insensitive to correct minor errors in someone's justified anger at a serious situation.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yes, your #3 and #4 points are completely on point. Sex was obviously part of the story or the case wouldn't exist. The argument we were having was over how Mailloux is labeled. Why is this whole labeling thing important to me? Why am I demanding a higher standard of accuracy? Nothing to do with the Habs and much more to do with being a father of two sons. At that age, social labels cut pretty deep; legal labels are much worse and can affect their future lives.

This is just my personal opinion, but I think most teen sexuality is tied to self-esteem. Yes, there are some true sexual predators whose pathology or genes screw up their perception of the opposite sex. Those guys are flat out dangerous. But most normal kids are just looking for validation; most of the damaging garbage that takes place on social media can be traced back to that fundamental need. It doesn't excuse it; it simply helps explain it.

I'd like to think Mailloux's immature thoughtlessness falls into that category. He was too caught up with impressing his fellow jocks to consider the hurt he caused. Obviously I don't know the kid and have no idea what he's like as a person. He said the right things and appears to be on the right track. But none of us know if his thoughts match his apologies. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I understand why you may not. The real verdict will be what kind of adult he becomes.

Videotaping individuals engaging in sex without their knowledge is not just “self esteem”.

If the player in question simply was bragging about having sex with a girl this case is a nothing burger.

Instead he videotaped someone engaging in sex with him without their knowledge and distributed it to multiple parties.

The reaction you have to it is simply uneducated and using your sons as a shield for your opinion is even worse as someone who has a son as well. If my son did what this player did, I’d fully understand the repercussions.

 

[Canadienna]

Videotaping individuals engaging in sex without their knowledge is not just “self esteem”.

If the player in question simply was bragging about having sex with a girl this case is a nothing burger.

Instead he videotaped someone engaging in sex with him without their knowledge and distributed it to multiple parties.

You are on fire. He didn't video tape anything.

 

[Gurglesons]

You are on fire. He didn't video tape anything.

Sorry he only took a photo without permission. That changes everything…

Look at the women in your life and how you would feel if this happened to them.

 

[Canadienna]

Sorry he only took a photo. That changes everything…

People ITT have said

He was an adult and she was a minor - False, he was a minor and she was an adult.
He took nude photos of her without consent - False she was not nude in the photo
He was disseminating child pornagraphy - False, again he was the minor
He was video taping their sexual encounter - False he took a photo of a sexual encounter.

Then the sexual assault vs sexual misconduct vs criminal offensive photography.

None of these inaccuracies make what he did right, but they are still inaccurate and should be corrected.

 

[hairylikebear]

I think "everyone" is mad because they link it to Ian Cole case which is allegedly a lot worse. I could be wrong but seems to me like the twitter poster and many here are trying to put both in the same basket.

Imo the crime Mailloux did isn't sexual in nature as oppose to what Ian Cole. It is related to a consensual sexual activity and it still bad, but there's a pretty big gap.

I tend to agree that there is an attempt to diminish the difference in severity, but I don't think you should continue with this "basket" angle. There are many ways these two things can be categorized together.

 

[Canadienna]

Look at the women in your life and how you would feel if this happened to them.

I would be devastated.

 

[ole ole]

If someone did this to your daughter, would you be spending your day online trying to argue semantics about how they took advantage of her in a highly vulnerable moment?

I'd be asking my daughter what the ......... was she doing giving ........... to a 17 yr old stranger.

 

[Cotton]

generally i love the Habs and everything that they do,, but stuff like this is embarasing

especially on a day where Ian Cole is accused of terrible things, the Oilers fire a minor league coach for having charges related to assaulting minors, and with all of the hockey canada sexual assault things going on

she quickly deleted her tweet but here it is

As far as I can recall his crime was sharing a photo, a non-identifying, non-nude photo, with teammates? That's not much to really attack, he was a minor, she was actually older than him, and he did something silly.

He's more than paid for him crime. At this point he should be defended.

 

[jfhabs]

I tend to agree that there is an attempt to diminish the difference in severity, but I don't think you should continue with this "basket" angle. There are many ways these two things can be categorized together.

I very much disagree. Taking a non consensual photography and grooming minors don't belong in the same 'basket' at all.

They are not the same. But they are absolutely in the same basket.

Strongly disagree and apparently most legal courts too.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

It's embarrassing to respond to "he was accused of sexual misconduct by photographing a women naked without her consent" with "he wasn't charged with sexual misconduct".

It's defending a player who did some messed up stuff based on semantics. It does nothing to actually change what happened and instead tries to play semantics to defend a player.

Deleted.

 

[SheldonJPlankton]

Hush-money makes it all go away. Just ask Auston Matthews.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

They are not the same. But they are absolutely in the same basket.

No. Jesus Christ. An adult grooming and sexually abusing a child is not "in the same bracket" of crime as an underage teen sharing a sexually explicit photo.

 

[Zalos]

Chantal is great, but I don't think she should have corrected the other person in the context of what is happening right now. Bad timing for sure.

 

[jfhabs]

Chantal is great, but I don't think she should have corrected the other person in the context of what is happening right now. Bad timing for sure.

Well I think you are right, but I think it's so wrong at the same time not being able to rectify people with facts on social media... very sad.

 

[Lshap]

Videotaping individuals engaging in sex without their knowledge is not just “self esteem”.

If the player in question simply was bragging about having sex with a girl this case is a nothing burger.

Instead he videotaped someone engaging in sex with him without their knowledge and distributed it to multiple parties.

The reaction you have to it is simply uneducated and using your sons as a shield for your opinion is even worse as someone who has a son as well. If my son did what this player did, I’d fully understand the repercussions.

My sons as a shield??? This is one of the most bizarre and uninformed replies I've seen.

 

[Pink Mist]

Okay, lets be clear with our facts. She consented to the image being taken; she did not consent to having it shared.

This statement is made not in defense of either action, but purely in the interests of accurate representation and reporting.

She did not consent to have her photo taken.

That is misinformation, since we're on this whole calling out misinformation beat.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You are on fire. He didn't video tape anything.

It can be insensitive to correct minor errors in someone's justified anger at a serious situation.

Sorry, had to.

 

[Canadienna]

It can be insensitive to correct minor errors in someone's justified anger at a serious situation.

Sorry, had to.

No that was the whole point of that post.

I get why people are tired of corrections with such a serious case.

OTOH this thread is non stop misinformation.

 

[Frank Drebin]

No that was the whole point of that post.

I get why people are tired of corrections with such a serious case.

OTOH this thread is non stop misinformation.

I don't get it to be honest. I understand the severity of this and the Ian Cole situation but to purposely spread incorrect information, it just makes no sense to me.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

She did not consent to have her photo taken.

That is misinformation, since we're on this whole calling out misinformation beat.

With further investigation, it seems that the claim that the photograph was taken consensually is indeed false, though the logistics of the exchange then are baffling.

The post has been deleted.

Thank you.

 

[BMacLeafs]

I guarantee that if the Habs hired womxn or two in their front office, the team's reaction would have been very different.

 

[Devils090]

I feel like I have no idea what this threads about. I must have missed something.

Mailloux should spend the rest of his life in solitary

 

[WatchfulElm]

Chantal is great, but I don't think she should have corrected the other person in the context of what is happening right now. Bad timing for sure.

It's such a minor misstep (from Chantal I mean). Not sure how it deserves such a long thread. Actually I know : this thread has turned into an argument over how bad or not what Mailloux did is. Which is pretty much unrelated to the thread title.