Habs VP of Communications defends Mailloux

[BigEezyE22]

I'm not charging him with anything. It was sexual misconduct.

Sexual misconduct is a broad category. What he did was absolutely sexual misconduct, even if his exact plea agreement was semantically something else.

Just like if you kill someone, and you're charged with manslaughter - someone calling you a "murderer" isn't inaccurate.

Actually that would be inaccurate.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Imagine that. The mouthpiece for an organization using precise and clarifying language.

 

[Pink Mist]

He was charged in Section 4 of Sweden's criminal code – an entirely different section than their sexual crimes, which is Section 6. Disagree? Take it up with the Swedish courts.

So yes, those were facts. Either accept them or keep your misinformed statements to yourself.

Want my personal feelings? Ask me. But the legal rulings won't change, no matter how either of us feel.

Congratulations on being able to read the names of crimes. That had nothing to do with my point about the intent of what crimes the charge is meant to capture or how it came to fruition.

Sexual harassment also falls under the same category of crimes in the Swedish criminal code (Offenses Against Liberty and Peace) and in fact they don't call it sexual harassment, they call the charge "Unlawful Harassment" (Chapter 4, section 4b) to capture a variety of types of harassment include types of sexual harassment. It can also fall under the crime of "Gross Violation of Integrity" (Chapter 4, section 4a), also under the same category of crimes. Is sexual harassment not a form of sexual misconduct even though the charge is called Unlawful Harassment and it falls under the category of "Offenses Against Liberty and Peace" rather than sex crimes?

You are clearly trying to obfuscate what Mailloux was charged with and maybe you should actually read the relevant sections of the Swedish criminal code before you try to fact check people.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

I can't stand how this board is turning into reddit.

I mean it seems to be becoming equal parts 4Chan as well.

All I know is the people defending this as simply "precise" and "accurate" language, are the types that throw tantrums when people they disagree with use "precise" and "accurate" language that involves words they don't like.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Congratulations on being able to read the names of crimes. That had nothing to do with my point about the intent of what crimes the charge is meant to capture or how it came to fruition.

Sexual harassment also falls under the same category of crimes in the Swedish criminal code (Offenses Against Liberty and Peace) and in fact they don't call it sexual harassment, they call the charge "Unlawful Harassment" (Chapter 4, section 4b) to capture a variety of types of harassment include types of sexual harassment. It can also fall under the crime of "Gross Violation of Integrity" (Chapter 4, section 4a), also under the same category of crimes. Is sexual harassment not a form of sexual misconduct even though the charge is called Unlawful Harassment and it falls under the category of "Offenses Against Liberty and Peace" rather than sex crimes?

You are clearly trying to obfuscate what Mailloux was charged with and maybe you should actually read the relevant sections of the Swedish criminal code before you try to fact check people.

It is kind of weird when those in positions of power on this site constantly flock to one side of these arguments (almost always the same defense of the accused player side) and act as authority on the subject matter itself (despite demonstrating sub par or misinterpreted understanding), and have the ability to sanction anyone they disagree with.

A Swedish poster explained some of the legality in this case and how these offenses are normally punished in Sweden, but every time I lay it out it goes ignored and people just continue to post their rosey versions of Mailloux's situation.

 

[c3z4r]

I feel like I have no idea what this threads about. I must have missed something.

People on twitter were comparing Ian Cole's allegations to Mailloux's and they somehow managed to bait a response from the Habs VP.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Trying to stop a stampede of keyboard warriors is not an advisable or smart thing to do though.

The funny thing about these posts is the consistent failure of people like you to realize when you're guilty of keyboard warrioring. It's a bit too predictable, like a script is being followed lol.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I mean it seems to be becoming equal parts 4Chan as well.

All I know is the people defending this as simply "precise" and "accurate" language, are the types that throw tantrums when people they disagree with use "precise" and "accurate" language that involves words they don't like.

All I know is that the people using imprecise and inaccurate language (no quotations required) are the types that falsely accuse men of sexual assault.

Is that how this works?

 

[Coaches Coroner]

All I know is that the people using precise and inaccurate language (no quotations required) are the types that falsely accuse men of sexual assault.

Is that how this works?

From what I saw I think people purposefully misused the definition to draw people for whom the distinction is of paramount importance out of the woodwork. Is there a difference? Yes. Is it weird that some people are hyper fixated on this particular distinction? Also yes imo.

It's a distinction with little difference to those who are not in danger of acquiring either label, generally speaking.

 

[Frank Drebin]

From what I saw I think people purposefully misused the definition to draw people for whom the distinction is of paramount importance out of the woodwork.

Like bait?

Yeah. I can see that. I don't care for those methods. I prefer to discuss honestly and in good faith. Calling Ian Cole a pedophile is sensationalist and dishonest. Just like calling Dany Heatley a murderer. Its factually incorrect.

 

[Number8]

I‘m not a lawyer and certainly not an international lawyer. I don’t know anything about the legalities of Logan Mailloux did but I get the sense he’s not a particularly nice kid (this one incident is unkind enough to make that generalization - nice kids don‘t do that to girls).

However I do know good PR and bad PR. I can assure you that this a good example of some pretty shitty PR. What a ham fisted, amateurish effort.

 

[DuklaNation]

Misos in old greek means hatred. Misogyny (as in OP's tweet) is used too often these days improperly. Perhaps a word that conveys lack of respect or something similar. When speaking actual Greek, I would not use this word in this context. Old Greek predates Latin so don't give me that excuse either.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Misos in old greek means hatred. Misogyny (as in OP's tweet) is used too often these days improperly. Perhaps a word that conveys lack of respect or something similar. When speaking actual Greek, I would not use this word in this context. Old Greek predates Latin so don't give me that excuse either.

There's a lot of stuff the Greeks did that that are done differently now. Language is similar, it changes and morphs sometimes especially when transitioning from one language to another.

 

[SEALBound]

No doubt what the kid did was wrong. I will never say anything to the contrary. At the same time, I do hope that some of you in this thread find yourself in a similar position where you've made a mistake and there is a relentless mob of people wanting to haunt you for it and ruin you until the end of time.

Good lord.

 

[MoneyManny]

It's embarrassing to respond to "he was accused of sexual misconduct by photographing a women naked without her consent" with "he wasn't charged with sexual misconduct".

It's defending a player who did some messed up stuff based on semantics. It does nothing to actually change what happened and instead tries to play semantics to defend a player.

She wasn't naked, absolutely nothing explicit is shown on the picture. Can't identify the woman either.

Please stop inventing facts to fuel your outrage.

 

[DuklaNation]

There's a lot of stuff the Greeks did that that are done differently now. Language is similar, it changes and morphs sometimes especially when transitioning from one language to another.

As someone who speaks Greek fluently and know how many English words have Greek origins (its a massive amount), I 100% disagree with this statement. Hmm, I don't know what the word actually means so I'll create my own fluid definition. Just use a more direct description.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

She wasn't naked, absolutely nothing explicit is shown on the picture. Can't identify the woman either.

Please stop inventing facts to fuel your outrage.

If he didn't post then you'd have nothing to get your daily dose of outrage from though.

 

[Captain97]

person in charge of PR for a team explains factually what happened vs what is being spread online wjen a player on said team is being comoared to a pedophile.

More news at 11

Got in a discussion with a buddy about this kid and he was hell bent on saying how terrible of a human he was for being a sexual assaulter, it was only after multiple times explicitly saying what happened that he realized "oh I was thinking about a different situation with a different prospect."

He shared a video of him being blown and shows no remorse for it. Super uncool and not smart thing to do but he's not an assaulter and there is coming back from it. Not something that should ruin his career.

He did show remorse... he has been talking st events examining what he did to other young men and why it is wrong.

 

[Lshap]

One page of this thread alone. You’re working harder than Habs PR to try and “correct the record”.

May I point out: You chose to reply to someone who is correcting false information, but did not reply to those who are repeatedly and willfully sharing incorrect information.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Oh boy another thread to add to my ignore list, which is growing exponentially lately

 

[Lshap]

Congratulations on being able to read the names of crimes. That had nothing to do with my point about the intent of what crimes the charge is meant to capture or how it came to fruition.

Sexual harassment also falls under the same category of crimes in the Swedish criminal code (Offenses Against Liberty and Peace) and in fact they don't call it sexual harassment, they call the charge "Unlawful Harassment" (Chapter 4, section 4b) to capture a variety of types of harassment include types of sexual harassment. It can also fall under the crime of "Gross Violation of Integrity" (Chapter 4, section 4a), also under the same category of crimes. Is sexual harassment not a form of sexual misconduct even though the charge is called Unlawful Harassment and it falls under the category of "Offenses Against Liberty and Peace" rather than sex crimes?

You are clearly trying to obfuscate what Mailloux was charged with and maybe you should actually read the relevant sections of the Swedish criminal code before you try to fact check people.

You called it “Sexual misconduct”. It was not. Period.

There are plenty of discussion points, as long as we respect a baseline of facts. Instead, you’re now straying into different subparagraphs of Swedish law that have nothing to do with Mailloux because you want to drag the word “Sexual” into this. Your post is the definition of ‘obfuscating’.

Again, I have no issue with your personal opinion. There's plenty to discuss, but what this is and isn't under the law has been established. My issue is with the indiscriminate use of very serious legal definitions. It's not “Heretofore” versus “Thereafter”. Sexual Offence terminology should be reserved for real sex offenders and shouldn’t be tossed around like cheap clickbait.

 

[PostBradMalone]

May I point out: You chose to reply to someone who is correcting false information, but did not reply to those who are repeatedly and willfully sharing incorrect information.

If I ever felt compelled to spend hours “correcting false information” about a creep who took a photo of a young woman performing a sex act and shared it without her consent, I would immediately begin reevaluating all of my life choices leading up to that point.

 

[BigEezyE22]

Congratulations on being able to read the names of crimes. That had nothing to do with my point about the intent of what crimes the charge is meant to capture or how it came to fruition.

Sexual harassment also falls under the same category of crimes in the Swedish criminal code (Offenses Against Liberty and Peace) and in fact they don't call it sexual harassment, they call the charge "Unlawful Harassment" (Chapter 4, section 4b) to capture a variety of types of harassment include types of sexual harassment. It can also fall under the crime of "Gross Violation of Integrity" (Chapter 4, section 4a), also under the same category of crimes. Is sexual harassment not a form of sexual misconduct even though the charge is called Unlawful Harassment and it falls under the category of "Offenses Against Liberty and Peace" rather than sex crimes?

You are clearly trying to obfuscate what Mailloux was charged with and maybe you should actually read the relevant sections of the Swedish criminal code before you try to fact check people.

Isn't that Toronto Tweeter trying to obfuscate Mailloux's crime by tying it to accusations of another player systematically praying on minors in a sexual manner?

 

[MoneyManny]

If he didn't post then you'd have nothing to get your daily dose of outrage from though.

Yeah let's not let the truth get in the way of a juicy story amirite?

 

[Lshap]

If I ever felt compelled to spend hours “correcting false information” about a creep who took a photo of a young woman performing a sex act and shared it without her consent, I would immediately begin reevaluating all of my life choices leading up to that point.

Interesting... you feel compelled to repeatedly critique someone who is correcting, but have nothing to say to those who are factually incorrect.