salbutera
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Why Director of goaltending... sounds more like an org revisiting coaching & development methodologies towards goaltending vs plain goalie coach job
Confirmed with Link: Habs Relieve Stephane Waite of his duties, Sean Burke Named Director of Goaltending
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MB trying to save face and trying to get that coveted extension. He's gone mad with power. How about getting rid of Timmins too?
As for the Habs coaching staff, I would be very worried right now. The work environment must be very toxic. I expect more firings to come until MB, himself, is shown the door.
As for the Habs coaching staff, I would be very worried right now. The work environment must be very toxic. I expect more firings to come until MB, himself, is shown the door.
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I didn't think Bergevin had in him to be that stupid. But yeah. He is. Doing it after the 1st win of your interim coach, while seeing Price play the best he did in weeks, while having fired half your staff just a week ago, replacing him not with the best candidate out there but just the guy who was already in the team. He just raises the bar of stupidity.
It's possible it's based on something that specifically happened - but it's not for sure. They may have been considering letting Waite go (as I laid out, probably had discussions for a while) but thought they'd see how things with Ducharme settled in. They clearly weren't happy with Price still after game 1 and maybe still in practices - and instead of waiting longer, pulled the trigger here too.
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Interesting takes by Andrew Zadarnowski:
I don't agree with his "burned" comment -- 2 of his goalie coaches had fairly long runs. I don't know what the "burn" rate is for goalie coaches on other clubs but I doubt that most goalies on other clubs are only coached by one guy throughout their tenure.
As to his second point about external hires, that may also be due to the economic crisis and lack of revenue that NHL teams are experiencing. Yes, the Habs are cash rich compared to most other clubs but they've also implemented several cost-saving measures since the start of the pandemic. It's also been Bergevin's "absolute best interest" to make the playoffs over several years now.
I don't agree with his "burned" comment -- 2 of his goalie coaches had fairly long runs. I don't know what the "burn" rate is for goalie coaches on other clubs but I doubt that most goalies on other clubs are only coached by one guy throughout their tenure.
As to his second point about external hires, that may also be due to the economic crisis and lack of revenue that NHL teams are experiencing. Yes, the Habs are cash rich compared to most other clubs but they've also implemented several cost-saving measures since the start of the pandemic. It's also been Bergevin's "absolute best interest" to make the playoffs over several years now.
But the Habs created a director of goaltending post for him. This change isn't just about replacing Waite.
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What the hell did Bergevin learned this week that they didn't know last week? How were you not able to see in my post that in NO WAY am I saying that both guys had good relationship? What the hell is wrong with you?
I think we all agree that Bergevin has had ups and downs and many of us got tired of him/wanted him gone a long time ago. So I'm sure general feeling here is people would be happy to hear he doesn't have the latitude anymore he once had and may be in the hot seat.
However - I'm still not sure I even like that. He's the GM. He has to make the best decision possible. Don't tie his hands and ensure he half-asses it? Interim coach doesn't bother me a whole ton because that happens often, and I think Ducharme might do ok in that role. But for a goalie coach - I really hope they picked Burke because he's the best for the job, and not because Bergevin isn't allowed to hire outside organization. If that's the case - just fire Bergevin and bring someone whose allowed to make decisions.
Habs are in a fantastic position to contend this year (Canadian division, short season). We shouldn't waste it because GM has limited power. If they feel he's not the right man for the job - replace him. If not - give him proper rights until you do replace him.
Was a big fan of his back in the day from his time on Team Canada and with the Devils and 'Yotes. Hope he does a great job and helps steady Price. He had some of his best seasons in his 30s and I hope he can transfer some knowledge of what allowed him to have his best seasons later in his career.
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Disagree teams are starting to build bigger goaltending staffs. Brian Daccord (the father of the Sens goalie last night) has the same role with Yotes, Mitch Korn had the role with Caps during Cup win season then moved to Isles for the same role, Panthers (Luongo), and a few other teams also have that role. They all report to the GM vs the head coach, and their mandate is more than simply coaching, it’s evaluation, and managing a goalie scouting staff.
Has Burke ever coached?
Maybe he was hired as DoG and his first decisions was to fire Waite and now he has to do the interim (so the Rocket doesn't lose another coach) because MB can't hire anyone.
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There is no certainty that it is really about Bergevin having his hands tied. Could also be an economic move since Burke is already on the payroll, as was the case with Ducharme and Burrows. They also didn't replace Churla.
Ownership did allow Bergevin to spend to the cap max in the off season -- which shouldn't have happened if his hands were really tied.
Burke was already on our payroll, he's not deciding shit at the moment.. relax...
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Maybe he is looking for a GM job?Hmmm we may have one of those openings if things don't get any better soon.
salbutera
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Burke hire could very well be a precursor to a non biased evaluation of Price and goaltending prospects with the expansion draft approaching. One would think there’s a kinship developed between Waite & Price, which is not the case with Burke.
the decision was surely made a couple days ago, and Bergevin was probably expecting another loss by Price . The announcement would have made sense then ?
