Habs Off-season discussion Part 4 (Your ****** proposals still go here)

[Leon Lucius Black]

So. Is Bergevin done for the summer? Or do we see more moves?

- Budaj or Tokarski likely get moved, after the playoffs Tokarski would definitely get claimed on waivers
- Likely see Moen dealt and a cheaper option brought in as a 13th/14th forward
- Wouldn't be surprised if Bergevin makes a move to get a top 6 winger after Subban and Eller are re-signed

 

[Halifaxhab*]

- Budaj or Tokarski likely get moved, after the playoffs Tokarski would definitely get claimed on waivers
- Likely see Moen dealt and a cheaper option brought in as a 13th/14th forward
- Wouldn't be surprised if Bergevin makes a move to get a top 6 winger after Subban and Eller are re-signed

the top 6 fwd. via trade or signature? Because I think they believe they found their top 6 RW in Sekac

 

[Habs 4 Life]

So. Is Bergevin done for the summer? Or do we see more moves?

Unless a team comes calling for guys like Moen and Budaj, I think were done until the start of the season. Sekac will make the team most probably and if he doesn't fit the bill a trade will happen during the season. I think Bergevin wants to keep Cap space for that possible trade down the road

 

[Halifaxhab*]

Unless a team comes calling for guys like Moen and Budaj, I think were done until the start of the season. Sekac will make the team most probably and if he doesn't fit the bill a trade will happen during the season. I think Bergevin wants to keep Cap space for that possible trade down the road

100% agreed

 

[Gros Bonhomme]

Lol i'm watching the Weise live Q&A right now and someone asked him if he will ever be able to top the arm flexing taunt he did to Lucic. He answered that he has a few things up his sleeve and he's going to wait for the right moment this year to pull it off.

 

[Dominator13]

Did anybody ask him if he plans on dripping them next year like he use to do with Vancouver?

 

[Miller Time]

Dude...most of the guys you mentioned didn't even play in the playoffs...parros, white, bouillon? briere was a 4 million dollar 4th liner...ya he had some good moments but malhotra is wht we actually need there.

I love gorges..but it was his heart and leadership I valued...as far as his play on the ice goes...he was a pretty poor skater and found himself front and center of either a carey price highlight reel save or screened goal too many times....4 more years at 4 million is too much for a guy that is going to be replaced by a much younger bigger better skating tinordi.

And gio....it's a bit of a loss in the defensive forward department, but PA will certainly cover his offensive production and more..

vanek's the only real hole I see and we didn't even need him in the playoffs obviously since he wasn't there.

we got de la rose, hudon, sekac, andrighetto, and eventually big mac coming up the pipeline...followed by scherbak....we're doing great.

don't disagree that most of the players we "lost" weren't particularly important.

don't disagree that both Gio and Gorges had warts that made them expendable

don't disagree that we have some intriguing young prospects in the pipeline (but i would argue that our prospect pool is not among the best in the league)

don't disagree that we have some young players that should theoretically step up into full time roles (tinordi/beaulieu/sekac), though to expect them to step in and contribute significantly more than the players they are replacing is a big stretch.


also don't think our roster improved this offseason, in the sense that (barring additional trades/signings) we head into next season relying exclusively on young players improving/contributing greater for the team to be in a position for superior results.

Parenteau - Gilbert - Maholtra - Sekac + roster space/need for beaulieu/tinordi/bournival to play bigger roles
v.
Vanek - Gorges - Gionta - Briere + veteran/gritty depth (bouillion, murray, parros, white)

that's a pretty "C" level swap as far as roster strength goes... maybe a 'B' when factoring in the Cap realities.


call me greedy, but I was hoping for an "A+" offseason. If you want to be the best, you need to put together a few "A+" roster management offseasons to go with the top-tier drafting/scouting team we already have in place

 

[Agalloch]

don't disagree that most of the players we "lost" weren't particularly important.

don't disagree that both Gio and Gorges had warts that made them expendable

don't disagree that we have some intriguing young prospects in the pipeline (but i would argue that our prospect pool is not among the best in the league)

don't disagree that we have some young players that should theoretically step up into full time roles (tinordi/beaulieu/sekac), though to expect them to step in and contribute significantly more than the players they are replacing is a big stretch.


also don't think our roster improved this offseason, in the sense that (barring additional trades/signings) we head into next season relying exclusively on young players improving/contributing greater for the team to be in a position for superior results.

Parenteau - Gilbert - Maholtra - Sekac + roster space/need for beaulieu/tinordi/bournival to play bigger roles
v.
Vanek - Gorges - Gionta - Briere + veteran/gritty depth (bouillion, murray, parros, white)

that's a pretty "C" level swap as far as roster strength goes... maybe a 'B' when factoring in the Cap realities.


call me greedy, but I was hoping for an "A+" offseason. If you want to be the best, you need to put together a few "A+" roster management offseasons to go with the top-tier drafting/scouting team we already have in place

Bergevin said he was ready to take a step backward to take 2 steps forwards after.

Next year, we will have 2-3 rookies on the roster and the young players already on the roster will take leadership roles.

 

[Miller Time]

Bergevin said he was ready to take a step backwards to take 2 steps forwards after.

Next year, we will have 2-3 rookies on the roster and the young players already on the roster will take leadership roles.

exactly...

no real issue with that (beyond the optimal situation where you have a crafty GM who can build for long term success even while continuously incrementally improving his roster).

in the wider context, if he does manage to guide the team to that "2 steps forward", then this offseason could fit into a broader successful narrative... but it's no given. The 2 steps forward need to actually happen...

 

[Mue]

Lol i'm watching the Weise live Q&A right now and someone asked him if he will ever be able to top the arm flexing taunt he did to Lucic. He answered that he has a few things up his sleeve and he's going to wait for the right moment this year to pull it off.

Lame - he should just stick to playing hockey.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Lame - he should just stick to playing hockey.

Yhea. Its not like they are have mans with feelings, you know.

 

[Kriss E]

exactly...

no real issue with that (beyond the optimal situation where you have a crafty GM who can build for long term success even while continuously incrementally improving his roster).

in the wider context, if he does manage to guide the team to that "2 steps forward", then this offseason could fit into a broader successful narrative... but it's no given. The 2 steps forward need to actually happen...

I think you might be underestimating the significance of the chances made on Defense.
I understand the uncertainty that comes with youngsters, however, Beaulieu and Tinordi are significant improvements over Bouillon and Murray.
Weaver is pretty much an older Gorges, but they play the exact same game. Adding Gilbert, another RHD who can skate and move the puck well on top of playing the PP is a major plus. Moving Emelin back on the left side is something I've been waiting to happen for 2 years now, imo, it will help him tremendously.
We go into next season with hopefully the intention of having a Markov-PK pairing that will be one of the best top pairs in the NHL, as they showed when paired together this year.

I think our defense improved significantly, and that will help our transition game by plenty. To me, the transition from defense to offense is the most important aspect of today's game.
Up front, I'm with you, definite question marks. I wasn't pleased with Vanek's performance in the POs but he was a must re-sign for me. If not him then at least Vrbata. I don't have high expectations for PAP. Unlike the defense where we're relying on kids for one bottom spot, on offense we our kids take more room and without them stepping up we're not going far.

 

[Mue]

Yhea. Its not like they are have mans with feelings, you know.

I have no clue what you're trying to say.

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

don't disagree that most of the players we "lost" weren't particularly important.

don't disagree that both Gio and Gorges had warts that made them expendable

don't disagree that we have some intriguing young prospects in the pipeline (but i would argue that our prospect pool is not among the best in the league)

don't disagree that we have some young players that should theoretically step up into full time roles (tinordi/beaulieu/sekac), though to expect them to step in and contribute significantly more than the players they are replacing is a big stretch.


also don't think our roster improved this offseason, in the sense that (barring additional trades/signings) we head into next season relying exclusively on young players improving/contributing greater for the team to be in a position for superior results.

Parenteau - Gilbert - Maholtra - Sekac + roster space/need for beaulieu/tinordi/bournival to play bigger roles
v.
Vanek - Gorges - Gionta - Briere + veteran/gritty depth (bouillion, murray, parros, white)

that's a pretty "C" level swap as far as roster strength goes... maybe a 'B' when factoring in the Cap realities.


call me greedy, but I was hoping for an "A+" offseason. If you want to be the best, you need to put together a few "A+" roster management offseasons to go with the top-tier drafting/scouting team we already have in place

it would be nice to be an A+ every year, but to had those big fish via free agency or trade comes with the cost of overpaying or giving up so much that it sends you sideways....bergevin said we're building through the draft and that's what we should be doing....if the right deal comes around and the price for a guy like kane or o'reilly or whoever is acceptable than im sure we'll try to get them....but our best improvements are going to be found in simply adding what we already have to the lineup...getting better from within....we're gonna start introducing a lot of youth....their not all gonna stick..but eventually we're going to find what we're looking for and some players are gonna become gems...we've seen it already..we will continue to see it....draft draft draft. patience

 

[PricePkPatch*]

I have no clue what you're trying to say.

Meaning thay he clearly should just shut up and play the game. Have no emotion, being entirely uninvolver and never saying a thing.

Robots > human being

 

[Mue]

Meaning thay he clearly should just shut up and play the game. Have no emotion, being entirely uninvolver and never saying a thing.

Robots > human being

Having emotion or responding to a situation is not what I have an issue with. Contrived antics, on the other hand, are silly.

 

[S Bah]

The positions that need to be filled after Tinordi, Beaulieu and Emelin take LHD roles away from Markov 3 seasons from now. Then Subban with say Nygren and Pateryn on RD, that's in a perfect world (ideally which rarely occurs) the Habs big three excluded.

What could be better is the Habs making a deal for one of two RD's that haven't lived up to their expectations yet.

1) Adam Larsson RD - 6'3" - 205lbs. #4 OV 2011 Entry Draft
2) Zach Bogosian RD - 6'3" - 215 lbs. #3 OV 2008 Entry Draft

Either one of these added to the Habs defence would give their defence Top Five status league wide IMHO.

The positions that have been improved by the draft of Scherbak and signing of Sekac wingers either LW/RW, could be filled by these two players;

1) E.Kane LW - 6'2" - 195 lbs. #4 OV 2009 Entry Draft
2) B.Ryan RW - 6'2" - 207 lbs #2 OV 2005 Entry Draft

Both have shown promise of becoming the elite type wingers expected when drafted, but Ryan has already been traded once and it seems Kane's first trade is close. This usually happens when top five drafted players don't live up to others expectations. Our Asst GM Rick Dudley drafted E.Kane and Z.Bogosian and probably knows more about these players than most, he had a plan for his team when he drafted them. Meaning he would know if they could be exactly what the Habs are missing or not, IMHO they would fit beautifully in our long term plans, while both Larsson & Ryan could fit well too.

If Bergevin is trading these are players that fit the type of team the Habs are building, one with mobility, size and the passion to be #1 OV or Stanley Cup Champions. Bobby Ryan will be a UFA at the end of next season July 1st 2015 and wouldn't cost assets in trade if he was signed, depends upon whether or not he's a disruptive influence which was a concern in Anaheim from what I remember hearing.

It's easy to see the weak points are defence(right) with the free agent signings of Weaver and Gilbert for 2nd & 3rd pairing defencemen. Unless Pateryn & Nygren live up to their potentials the Habs will have to make moves before the end of next season, so those types of trades to develop over the season if they falter. At the wing positions if any of PAP, Sekac, Andrighetto or JDLR don't show promise, likewise trades centered around E.Kane or free agent signing of B.Ryan at the end of the season.

The Habs would look better with any two of those players, but Kane & Larsson would be the ones I think would fit best, but I'm no GM or Asst GM, just GM of my armchair and the TV control unit.

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...s-Bolts-and-Preds-Hockeybuzzcast-at-1/1/61346


"I honestly can't believe its July 16th. I can never remember a day in mid-July where I have gotten more texts and more calls regarding a player like I have in the last 16 hours regarding Evander Kane. The price for Kane is extremely high, but that is not stopping teams from asking and considering their options.

The Canadiens and Rangers have been sniffing around for a while now, but the Lightning and Predators are new to the dance. The Preds and Habs "appear" to be the most serious, but I can't stress enough that is just from my sources. "

 

[Halifaxhab*]

Meaning thay he clearly should just shut up and play the game. Have no emotion, being entirely uninvolver and never saying a thing.

Robots > human being

Robots don't get hurt and I bet they hit really hard too.

 

[S Bah]

I would love to see the Habs get E.Kane (LW) that would make LW the strongest position the Habs have at forward with Max P. and Alex G. It depends on the players going back of course, Gallagher, Prust, 2015 1st and Plekanec would be a sure enticement for Chevaldayoff to consider. It might take an extra piece from them a draft choice or the rights to A.Burmistrov LHC to replace the loss of veteran Plekanec, both of those picks E.Kane and A.Burmistrov being Asst.GM Rick Dudley's picks while Atlanta GM.

The salaries involved would offset each when Burmistrov comes back over next season. Seems that the Jets could be a better team with 3 veterans coming back and an extra 1st, for E.Kane and Burmistrov(left because of coach Noel - to Russia)

The trade for E.Kane (LW) #4 OV 2009 & A.Burmistrov (C) #8 OV 2010, just take back the 2015 1st or Gallagher. If Bergevin could make that trade and another with Nashville for the rights to (Enigmatic Alex Radulov (RW)) then add Kane @ LW and Burmistrov @ C and the Habs would have a pretty talented top six line to complement the DD / Pacioretty / Sekac line and still have the Egg Line to complete the Top Nine. With Malhotra / Wiese / Bourque or Bournival the 4th line.

If Tinordi & Beaulieu both blend into the Habs blueline as hoped, the Habs could have a really strong team with scoring from every line. Subban & Markov should light it up for the defence & PP, PAP & Sekac should fight for the RW spot on DD's line and provide extra goalscoring to complement sniper Pacioretty. If the Habs don't want Radulov, then one of PAP or Sekac take RW with Kane & Burmistrov. They would be a really fast line with two snipers and a great playmaker in Burmistrov.

If I was Bergevin instead of Letang, go after Bogosian RD Winnipeg or Adam Larsson RD NJD's, both players are former top five players in their draft yrs. Letang has some serious red flags (injuries). The Habs have RD's coming through their system, but adding a Top four dman in either Bogosian or Larsson 6'3" & 205 lbs. would give the Habs one of the best young mobile defences in the league and tougher with Bogosian 6'3" 215 lbs.

The positions that need to be filled after Tinordi, Beaulieu and Emelin take LHD roles away from Markov 3 seasons from now. Then Subban with say Nygren and Pateryn on RD, that's in a perfect world (ideally which rarely occurs) the Habs big three excluded.

What could be better is the Habs making a deal for one of two RD's that haven't lived up to their expectations yet.

1) Adam Larsson RD - 6'3" - 205lbs. #4 OV 2011 Entry Draft
2) Zach Bogosian RD - 6'3" - 215 lbs. #3 OV 2008 Entry Draft

Either one of these added to the Habs defence would give their defence Top Five status league wide IMHO.

The positions that have been improved by the draft of Scherbak and signing of Sekac wingers either LW/RW, could be filled by these two players;

1) E.Kane LW - 6'2" - 195 lbs. #4 OV 2009 Entry Draft
2) B.Ryan RW - 6'2" - 207 lbs #2 OV 2005 Entry Draft

Both have shown promise of becoming the elite type wingers expected when drafted, but Ryan has already been traded once and it seems Kane's first trade is close. This usually happens when top five drafted players don't live up to others expectations. Our Asst GM Rick Dudley drafted E.Kane and Z.Bogosian and probably knows more about these players than most, he had a plan for his team when he drafted them. Meaning he would know if they could be exactly what the Habs are missing or not, IMHO they would fit beautifully in our long term plans, while both Larsson & Ryan could fit well too.

If Bergevin is trading these are players that fit the type of team the Habs are building, one with mobility, size and the passion to be #1 OV or Stanley Cup Champions. Bobby Ryan will be a UFA at the end of next season July 1st 2015 and wouldn't cost assets in trade if he was signed, depends upon whether or not he's a disruptive influence which was a concern in Anaheim from what I remember hearing.

It's easy to see the weak points are defence(right) with the free agent signings of Weaver and Gilbert for 2nd & 3rd pairing defencemen. Unless Pateryn & Nygren live up to their potentials the Habs will have to make moves before the end of next season, so those types of trades to develop over the season if they falter. At the wing positions if any of PAP, Sekac, Andrighetto or JDLR don't show promise, likewise trades centered around E.Kane or free agent signing of B.Ryan at the end of the season.

The Habs would look better with any two of those players, but Kane & Larsson would be the ones I think would fit best, but I'm no GM or Asst GM, just GM of my armchair and the TV control unit.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...s-Bolts-and-Preds-Hockeybuzzcast-at-1/1/61346


"I honestly can't believe its July 16th. I can never remember a day in mid-July where I have gotten more texts and more calls regarding a player like I have in the last 16 hours regarding Evander Kane. The price for Kane is extremely high, but that is not stopping teams from asking and considering their options.

The Canadiens and Rangers have been sniffing around for a while now, but the Lightning and Predators are new to the dance. The Preds and Habs "appear" to be the most serious, but I can't stress enough that is just from my sources. "

Too sum up the players that might need to be involved by the Habs the one team that has three former Atlanta draft picks is Winnipeg Jets, their GM at that time our Asst.GM Rick Dudley. Bergevin & Cheveldayoff could resolve a deal centered around the players I suggested and former Borge Salming trophy winner Magnus Nygren. In this scenario the Jets receiving Plekanec, Prust, Gallagher, Nygren, and 2015 1st round pick. The Habs in return get the last three 1st draft picks of former GM Dudley. Those being Bogosian RD, Evander Kane LW and A. Burmistrov C, that seems to clearly be beneficial too both teams, the Habs lose two RW's in Prust & Gallagher which in an ideal situation they can recover with the UFA signing of Ottawa's Bobby Ryan & R.Bourque returning to his natural RW position. Burmistrov could also return from the KHL to fill the role left by Plekanec, the harsh loss here could be the Habs 1st in 2015 turning into a top ten pick.

The reality is the Habs make sure that all the players received in the trade actually sign here, before the 2015 draft making it a 2016 pick if not. Major trade but isn't that exactly what Cheveldayoff was talking about, saying it's not easy to do in the NHL these days. Seems like a deal both clubs fans could appreciate, as well as their GM's and the players involved leave their Conference, so not a

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Damn it.

I was all ready to start laughing at you for such blockbuster trade, and you had to make a sensible argument with Dudley

 

[Halifaxhab*]

Damn it.

I was all ready to start laughing at you for such blockbuster trade, and you had to make a sensible argument with Dudley

Don't forget Chevy and Bergevin worked together in Chicago too.

Conspiracy theory double play! explains eklund making a stretch on it too

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Don't forget Chevy and Bergevin worked together in Chicago too.

Conspiracy theory double play! explains eklund making a stretch on it too

Eklund is not stupid. He has sources and can connect the dots.

Hes just not professional and will publish anything just for a quick traffic boost.

 

[Halifaxhab*]

Eklund is not stupid. He has sources and can connect the dots.

Hes just not professional and will publish anything just for a quick traffic boost.

Yup.

 

[Em Ancien]

Damn it.

I was all ready to start laughing at you for such blockbuster trade, and you had to make a sensible argument with Dudley

He also brought in Aliu who was his guy back in Chicago. Maybe he's pushing MB to go for Kane?