Post-Game Talk: Habs lost twice in 24hrs, latest vs the Broons

[morhilane]

the media and Kent mentioned several times they liked getting the 'local guy' back home, I am not rewriting lol

Kent presented him as a 5-stars human being to be precise.

 

[Kosseca]

No friend, I commented my thoughts clearly: the regression from the players HuGo specifically acquired is (1) not good in general and (2) gives me cause to be sceptical of their judgement and ability.

I guess you are speaking of Dach, Barron and Newhook when you say "players acquired". To be fair, it is not KH fault if Dach got injured and lost a full year when in fact he was trending upwards.

Newhook is playing exactly as advertised. I think some have a romantic notion of what he can bring to this team. In an ideal world, he should play 3rd line/energy style where he can use his speed to forecheck. He's in the wrong chair because of the lack of depth on this team.

I never like Barron and that trade so, that is indeed a clear "fail" for KH in my book, but no GM wins all it's trade.

 

[LaP]

the media and Kent mentioned several times they liked getting the 'local guy' back home, I am not rewriting lol

Oh i'm sure they liked getting a local player. But what i mean is they knew what they were getting. A 30ish points 2nd pairing dman who was not good defensively which with his contract was worth pretty much nothing. But to trade Petry without retention we had to accept a contract and well a local player was a bonus for sure. Mathesom doing 60 points was certainly never predicted by anyone in the league. It was never supposed to happen.

 

[LaP]

I guess you are speaking of Dach, Barron and Newhook when you say "players acquired". To be fair, it is not KH fault if Dach got injured and lost a full year when in fact he was trending upwards.

Newhook is playing exactly as advertised. I think some have a romantic notion of what he can bring to this team. In an ideal world, he should play 3rd line/energy style where he can use his speed to forecheck. He's in the wrong chair because of the lack of depth on this team.

I never like Barron and that trade so, that is indeed a clear "fail" for KH in my book, but no GM wins all it's trade.

We can't say that so far KH acquisitions via trades worked cause they certainly have not for now. He gave Romanov, a 31st overall (obtained for Chiarot) and a 37th overall and got Dach and Newhook in return. Both players will be 24 soon and are very close to be "as seen on TV". What we can say though is they were not bad gambles. The picks and players he gave were not elite either. He gambled and probably lost but it made sense and that's what is important.

The other trades the jury is still out. Mesar and Heineman for Toffoli too soon to tell. Lehkonen and 26th (obtained for nothing see below) overall for Barron and 21st overall against too soon to tell if Hage becomes a top 6 then worth it. Kulak for Hutson looks outstanding but jury is still kind of out at this point.

He won a trade though and it was a big win. He traded nothing and got two first round picks. That's definitely a win unless you overvalue "nothing". As for the players he drafted too soon to say and it will remain the same for another 2 years. Slaf looks fine. Hutson too. Hage looks good. Demidov too. Reinbacher sample size is too small.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I thought Barron came with a 2nd rounder, and we used LA's pick???

Yep, you're right. My mistake. We took Hage in the first.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Barron did have some use!


They brought him in as a 'local boy' and they were counting on him to be good.

Bro he plays 30 minutes a night and gets 60 points in a season. He has brain cramps but let’s lay off the negativity please.

No friend, I commented my thoughts clearly: the regression from the players HuGo specifically acquired is (1) not good in general and (2) gives me cause to be sceptical of their judgement and ability.

Dach was injured, Newhook regressed, big f***ing whoop.

We are in a rebuild, and our key pieces aren’t playing. How you can judge at the moment is incomprehensible, but you did spend most of Slafkovsky’s first two seasons calling him a bust.

 

[Habs]

Bro he plays 30 minutes a night and gets 60 points in a season. He has brain cramps but let’s lay off the negativity please.



Dach was injured, Newhook regressed, big f***ing whoop.

We are in a rebuild, and our key pieces aren’t playing. How you can judge at the moment is incomprehensible, but you did spend most of Slafkovsky’s first two seasons calling him a bust.

I'm being positive by saying trade him now while he still have value. He's playing his way into the worst +- in the NHL, nobody wants that. You can be just as negative and have called out just as many players. So it's only ok if you do it?

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

I'm being positive by saying trade him now while he still have value. He's playing his way into the worst +- in the NHL, nobody wants that.

I agree with this, trade Matheson while his value is high. We don't need him we have Hutson and with him gone we can put Guhle back on the left side.

 

[TheFutureisBright]

They kept Savard because he is a big guy in the room and they need his veteran leadership. That's enough calculus to keep him over Kovacevic. Not to mention Savard is still and always has been the better defenseman between the two.

I remember how everyone used to say Kovacevic was soft. Monster now? This board is bipolar

 

[SnapVirus]

Romanov is the second best Damn in NewYork. He has a bigger impact on a game than Dach will ever. It is a Lost trade. With Romanov right now, our defence would be much much better.

We still need a good offensive center man.

 

[CharleyHorse]

It's not Hindsight when we've been bitching about the lack of size and goalie depth, and we trade the 2 pieces we needed for the rebuild. We have enough draft picks in the 2-7 rounds.

I cheered the Harris/Laine trade, always hated the Newhook Barron deal. We've been complaining about size for 30 years, how is that Hindsight?



cringe, ewwww

It is hindsight because Allen and Kovacevic weren’t seen as crucial pieces at the time. Allen was too old and not part of the long-term plans; the trade provided a decent return for what Allen was, and ended the three-goalie logjam. Kovacevic was ok, but Barron’s perceived ceiling fit the rebuild better. These moves were logical then but are being second-guessed now. You may have always disagreed, but that doesn’t change what most people were saying at the time. Whining about the moves now based on outcomes we couldn’t predict is classic hindsight.

Complaining about size for 30 years doesn’t make every decision about it wrong, and your fetish with it oversimplifies the team’s current issues. The Habs rank 7th in average weight at 201 lbs - that's far from a small team. Meanwhile, Michkov, the player you wanted, is 5’10” and 172 lbs, which is below both the team’s average weight and players like Newhook (5’10”, 199 lbs) and Barron (6’2”, 202 lbs). If size is your main concern, Michkov wouldn’t have addressed it. Having said this, I am not minimizing the role of size, just recognizing it's not all about it; it’s about building a balanced team with skill, speed, and physicality (not necessarily related to size).