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Post-Game Talk: Habs beat the Vancouver Petterssons

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RabbleMasterBlaster said:
Errr that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying we couldnt get a 1c forever but always had good 2c.and now that we have a 1c, we can't seem to find a 2c. Has nothing to do with org depth. Just the ineptitude of having both a 1 and 2c at the same time.
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It's not a video game. Patience is hard, and the past has been frustrating for all fans, but there's no value to be found in lamenting poorly reasoned comparisons
 
Miller Time said:
Yes, Dach is a more effective NHLer than about 1/2 of our current NHL forwards. Something a fan would be aware of...
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lol he’s had good games here and there but much more than half of the roster has been better. All 4 lines have performed well overall and Dach has been a massive disappointment especially after 40 games where the knee isn’t an excuse. Maybe mentally it is? Either way he’s not a top 6 forward at the moment
 
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Habs Icing said:
I'm not an MB fan, but I also disagree with ignoring the fact that he brought good players into the team. He may have exaggerated his take on the availability of top-notch centers but after almost 4 years in place this management hasn't brought any reliable NHL center to the team, That for me underscores MB's point. Getting excellent centers ain't easy.
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It’s not easy but it’s not impossible either. Moreover, it wasn’t just centers that were the problem.

It was lack of direction
Bad coaching
Bad development
Etc….

Even with Caufiled look at what was happening. One goal in half a season under Ducharme. The old regime gets fired and he scores 48 in his next 82 games.

Many of us said it for years, MB was actively ruining prospects. Look at the turnaround since they left.

So, yeah he got Suzuki. But even there he did it while Price in his prime… :laugh: Just makes no sense. Rebuild or don’t. Compete or don’t. But don’t do some of one and some of another…. Lets the entire team go in 2017-18 but then gets Drouin? Doesn’t follow up that move with anything? Puts Drouin at center and moves Chuck to wing? It just makes absolutely no sense.

There was no plan. Carey Price was the plan.
 
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ChesterNimitz said:
There's an element of complacency in Roy's game, but the real issue is Roy's style of play.

Roy is a highly skilled player who readily sees, reads and anticipates the play. He is a finisher. He has an excellent shot and release. He's able to get his shot off in a blink of a second. While that style of play may work and be productive in junior hockey and in the AHL, the speed of play in the NHL is quantum degree faster. You have to be able to buy yourself, time and space to be in a position to use your skills. Some do it with size, while most do it with speed and quickness. I have watch Roy closely over the the past several years and I have yet to see him exhibit the skating ability that would allow him to be a productive offensive forward at the NHL level.

I think Roy's sometimes lackadaisical style of playing is a significantly lesser issue than his overt lack of skating speed and quickness in what is becoming an ever faster paced NHL.

Let's hope I'm wrong. But with Demidov, Hage, Beck, Florian Xhekaj, Tuch, Davidson and Kapanen coming and coming fast, the window for this enigmatic player to make the team is closing quickly. And that doesn't even take into consideration the host of high draft choices Hughes has collected and the potential free agents that may be signed. There will be no room for slow pokes.
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Not every player plays the same way… and people who get upset at Roy get upset because he doesn’t fit with the mold of what they think he SHOULD be.

He’s a cerebral player. He needs to be paired with an experienced skilled linemate. Do that and he’ll work wonders. But he will not be able to carry a line - certainly not as a 21 year old trying to make the team.

And the problem is that we don’t have experienced talent outside the first line. Dach would’ve worked if he’d been healthy but he’s not. Laine is in the same bought Dach was in… it’s just not a great situation to bring him into.
 
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StCaufield said:
lol he’s had good games here and there but much more than half of the roster has been better. All 4 lines have performed well overall and Dach has been a massive disappointment especially after 40 games where the knee isn’t an excuse. Maybe mentally it is? Either way he’s not a top 6 forward at the moment
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One line has done most of the work offensively. Then it's attempting to survive until the 1st line is on again.
 
Lshap said:
I tuned out in the 3rd period, hoping (wrongly) that 3-0 was enough to easily lock up the game. Sigh... wake up to find it's never easy...

Did we allow Vancouver back in the game because of sloppiness, or were the Canucks just that good?
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The 3-1 goal is something the Habs looked hard at because it was a controversial one.

I thought it was goalie interference because the screen was set up by the Canucks player being firmly in the crease, preventing Monty from getting to the top of it.

One might be able to argue that Monty wasn't attempting to take that space, but what is the point of having the blue paint in that case? He was focusing on tracking the puck rather than battling for position that was rightfully his.

The Habs took a long look at decided not to challenge, partially because I don't think anyone has a good grasp on what constitutes goalie interference on a given day.
 
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I think it's hilarious everyone went to town on the 'in the mix' jokes like they were sincerely confused as to what it meant lol

This is what it looks like
They are IN the mix, they might make it, they might not make it
But this is where HuGo thought their big picture should be at this stage of the build

Obviously you'd love to be doing a bit 'better', but we are STILL not even finished breaking apart Bergevins old catastrophe people gotta realize

I'm so excited for this summer, it was ALWAYS going to be be about *this* summer
The real purge and turn over

Oh yeah big win :D
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Not every player plays the same way… and people who get upset at Roy get upset because he doesn’t fit with the mold of what they think he SHOULD be.

He’s a cerebral player. He needs to be paired with an experienced skilled linemate. Do that and he’ll work wonders. But he will not be able to carry a line - certainly not as a 21 year old trying to make the team.

And the problem is that we don’t have experienced talent outside the first line. Dach would’ve worked if he’d been healthy but he’s not. Laine is in the same bought Dach was in… it’s just not a great situation to bring him into.
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I don't think its a case of being upset, but expressing a view that assesses Roy as being a skillful, at times, passive, mediocre skating player whose game doesn't translate well to the fast paced, high intensity nature of today's NHL game. And that going forward we will have much better options.
 
JianYang said:
When they were fully healthy, they were getting contributions from all over the place and beating the best teams over and over. But as I said back then, the depth is not as great as it seemed because there were too many injury scenarios which would have significantly impacted the club.

I certainly had guhle on the list of players they couldn't afford to lose, but kudos to them for still managing to stay in the hunt for now.
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Habs have been among the healthiest teams this year. The only 3 players I've lost for significant time are all injury prone. Nobody should blame the lack of depth on injuries.
Miller Time said:
Habs have the most players in the league with 10+ goals.

Depth isn't the issue, top 6/top 4 talent is the issue. With Laine, Dach & Guhle out, our already young/mediocre top 6/top 4 is stretched brutally thin

Newhook, Gally, Roy... That was our 2nd line

Matheson played 27+min & Strubbles was our 4th D in ice time.


Our roster depth is a strength, if anything.

Pick just about any playoff team in the league and remove their highest paid forward, #1D & #2C...

MacKinnon, Makar, Nelson
McDavid, Nurse, RNH
Ovechkin, Carlson, PLD
Scheifele, Vilardi, Morrissey
Et. Et.
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Most 10 goals scorer but only 2 20 goals scorer. And will most likely finish the season with just 2 20 goals scorers yet again just like the last 2 seasons.

When I say lack of depth, this applies across the board. No 2nd line like you said. A good 4th line does not make up for the deficiencies across the other 2 lines.
Struble, Savard and Xhekaj are bottom pair guys at best. Yet again lack of depth (Hutson and Matheson need to play a lot).
 
Habs Icing said:
I'm not an MB fan, but I also disagree with ignoring the fact that he brought good players into the team. He may have exaggerated his take on the availability of top-notch centers but after almost 4 years in place this management hasn't brought any reliable NHL center to the team, That for me underscores MB's point. Getting excellent centers ain't easy.
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Losing Danault for nothing (and then signing Hoffman) + going from KK to Dvo really didn’t help us.

Danault isn’t perfect but it would have helped transition to Hage / Beck / Kapanen. No point crying about spilled milk now but wtf was that.
 
StCaufield said:
lol he’s had good games here and there but much more than half of the roster has been better. All 4 lines have performed well overall and Dach has been a massive disappointment especially after 40 games where the knee isn’t an excuse. Maybe mentally it is? Either way he’s not a top 6 forward at the moment
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There's a difference between being disappointed a player hasn't played to the levels expected, and their actual impact level. I think you are conflating the two.

While not the be all end all, Dach is the 4th most used forward (of 19 that have played) by the coaching staff this season. If anything, better than 1/2 is a gross understatement
 
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Nicko999 said:
Habs have been among the healthiest teams this year. The only 3 players I've lost for significant time are all injury prone. Nobody should blame the lack of depth on injuries.
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I don't think you understood what I wrote. Depth is important for many reasons and one of them is to weather the storm when key injuries hit. The true test of depth is not when you are fully healthy and getting contributions up and down the lineup (as was the case when the habs made their big push in the hardest part of their schedule).

Depth is revealed in your ability to plug players into a situation when key players go down. That is is the Habs weakness right now, and I was warning against that even when times were great back in late December and January.
 
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jrom said:
Losing Danault for nothing (and then signing Hoffman) + going from KK to Dvo really didn’t help us.

Danault isn’t perfect but it would have helped transition to Hage / Beck / Kapanen. No point crying about spilled milk now but wtf was that.
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It was similar to the year he lost radulov and markov for nothing and signed streit, Alzner, schlemko, and hemsky.

bergevin wasn't all bad but those two particular offseasons were downright horrific.
 
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jrom said:
Losing Danault for nothing (and then signing Hoffman) + going from KK to Dvo really didn’t help us.

Danault isn’t perfect but it would have helped transition to Hage / Beck / Kapanen. No point crying about spilled milk now but wtf was that.
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Bet Habs could use Mike Hoffman's goal scoring now.
 
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