LeBrun: Guentzel: Pens want prospects over picks - Carolina favorite

[Baby Pettersson]

Then leave it alone and stop posting in every Guentzel trade thread. Notice this thread is five other teams as well?

Go away.

Ya sorry, not like this is a public message board for teams to discuss trades or anything. How inconsiderate of me.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

If they have a contract extension in place they will give up Lekk.

Our window is 3-5 years

No we won't. Why wouldn't we just try to sign him in the off season then?

 

[Ryder71]

No we won't. Why wouldn't we just try to sign him in the off season then?

Because you'd want to have him for a run now? Also there would be plenty of interested teams then?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Because you'd want to have him for a run now? Also there would be plenty of interested teams then?

But if the cost for one additional playoff run and a 'leg up' in negotiations is trading a top 10-15 prospect in the league who is tearing up the SHL, nobody is paying that price. I would sooner take my chances.

 

[Turin]

No we won't. Why wouldn't we just try to sign him in the off season then?

Because the post says your window is 3-5 years. When is Lekkerimaki gonna be an impact player for you? Maybe after 2 years? Guentzel would be an impact player the entire window, starting this year.

But, it's moot because I don't see him signing in Canada.

 

[Ryder71]

But if the cost for one additional playoff run and a 'leg up' in negotiations is trading a top 10-15 prospect in the league who is tearing up the SHL, nobody is paying that price. I would sooner take my chances.

That's fine, but if your team is gelling There's no guarantee whatsoever you'll be in that position next year. Clearly you're risk averse, that's ok. But understand that you might not be in a better situation next year. Also, LEKK while he's certainly a promising player, there aren't any guarantees his play will translate to huge success in the NHL. At least with Jake he's a proven commodity, and thus you'd have to pay a price for that.

 

[BHawk21]

To me, that's fine. Guentzel's next contract is potentially more harmful to Carolina's future than a lost 1st round pick.

Carolina isn't doing anything unprecedented here. Washington didn't buy high priced rentals until they made that one exception (Shattenkirk). St. Louis ended up doing it just one time as well (Miller). Ditto Tampa (Savard), interestingly.

While on the subject of conservatism, aggressive GMs over the years have included Sweeney (Nash, Bertuzzi, Orlov), Chevelydayoff (Stastny, Hayes, Monahan), Dubas (Foligno, O'Reilly), Drury (Copp, Tarasenko), etc.

2023- Golden Knights Barbashev Bluger and Quick
2022- Avalanche Lehkonen Manson and Cogliano
2021- Tampa Savard
2020- Tampa Coleman Goodrow
2019- St Louis Nothing

Seems like a lot of these winning teams have added pending free agents at the deadline and then hung on to them after winning.

Carolina can afford the prospects. Are they trying to win the cup this year? Or waiting these windows close fast. Svech is healthy. Top players are mid to later 20s. Contracts coming up. The time seems to be now.

You know better then me on the roster/window but from outside looking in. It looks like its time to go for it. Nadeau Morrow your 1st doesnt help this group IMO

 

[WetcoastOrca]

That's fine, but if your team is gelling There's no guarantee whatsoever you'll be in that position next year. Clearly you're risk averse, that's ok. But understand that you might not be in a better situation next year. Also, LEKK while he's certainly a promising player, there aren't any guarantees his play will translate to huge success in the NHL. At least with Jake he's a proven commodity, and thus you'd have to pay a price for that.

You’re massively overrating Guentzel if you think he’ll return a Lekk type prospect. Look at the Horvat deal. A first and a B prospect and maybe another later pick. That’s the best you’re getting. It’s got nothing to do with being risk adverse or not.

 

[Ryder71]

You’re massively overrating Guentzel if you think he’ll return a Lekk type prospect. Look at the Horvat deal. A first and a B prospect and maybe another later pick. That’s the best you’re getting. It’s got nothing to do with being risk adverse or not.

Bo Horvat is not the player Jake Guentzel is, get real! Look up their stats, in particular their playoff statistics it's not even close! To lump them at the same level you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about. But JR knows just how important he is. Again, don't take my word for it, look it up yourself! Horvat 18 points in 29 games, Jake 34 goals 58 points in 58 games.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Bo Horvat is not the player Jake Guentzel is, get real! Look up their stats, in particular their playoff statistics it's not even close! To lump them at the same level you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about. But JR knows just how important he is.

Horvat doesn’t play with a superstar and he plays the more important position.
You’re dreaming in technicolor if you think you’re getting that type of return.
Between Canuck fans wanting Guentzel for nothing and Pen fans like yourself demanding a crazy return this thread has really deteriorated.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Jesus Vegas is in on every player that becomes available. If they get Guentzel too, watch out. Their chances to repeat all of a sudden become that much higher.

 

[domaug]

Horvat doesn’t play with a superstar and he plays the more important position.
You’re dreaming in technicolor if you think you’re getting that type of return.

Guentzel has been a PPG winger WITHOUT CROSBY AND WITHOUT MALKIN

 

[Ryder71]

Horvat doesn’t play with a superstar and he plays the more important position.
You’re dreaming in technicolor if you think you’re getting that type of return.
Between Canuck fans wanting Guentzel for nothing and Pen fans demanding a crazy return this thread has really deteriorated.

Horvat is dogshit compared to Jake in the playoffs as well as the regular season. If you don't think Jake is a better player and in particular a better scorer you've lost your mind.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Guentzel has been a PPG winger WITHOUT CROSBY AND WITHOUT MALKIN

I didn’t say he wasn’t. He’s still a winger. Point per game wingers don’t return top 15 prospects. Show me a similar return for a rental.

Horvat is dogshit compared to Jake in the playoffs as well as the regular season. If you don't think Jake is a better player and in particular a better scorer you've lost your mind.

He’s slightly better but plays a less important position. Watch and learn. You ain’t getting a player like Lekk. Not even close.

 

[domaug]

I didn’t say he wasn’t. He’s still a winger. Point per game wingers don’t return top 15 prospects. Show me a similar return for a rental.

you said Horvat doesn't play with a superstar, implying that Guentzel's success is only because he's played with Crosby. it's such a tiring and braindead take that I won't take anything you say seriously ever again.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

you said Horvat doesn't play with a superstar, implying that Guentzel's success is only because he's played with Crosby. it's such a tiring and braindead take that I won't take anything you say seriously ever again.

Oh no. Now you’ve really hurt my feelings!
Speaking of brain dead, learn to read. Nowhere did I say Guentzel is not a good player. Stop being so sensitive.
Let’s check back in and we will see if he gets you a top 15 prospect. I suspect you’re in for a rude awakening.

 

[lokomotiv15]

Horvat doesn’t play with a superstar and he plays the more important position.
You’re dreaming in technicolor if you think you’re getting that type of return.
Between Canuck fans wanting Guentzel for nothing and Pen fans like yourself demanding a crazy return this thread has really deteriorated.

Guess we can all reconvene here at midnight tonight and see if the East Coast or West Coast's fans are bigger homer nut-jobs.

 

[Ryder71]

Horvat. .687 PPG RS
Guentzel .926 PPG RS

Horvat .62 PPG Playoffs
Guentzel 1.00 PPG playoffs.

Bo GPG Playoffs .41
Jake GPG playoffs .59

And Jakes sample size in the post season is double Horvats.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Guess we can all reconvene here at midnight tonight and see if the East Coast or West Coast's fans are bigger homer nut-jobs.

My bet is it lands in the middle between the 2 crazy extremes.

 

[Ryder71]

I didn’t say he wasn’t. He’s still a winger. Point per game wingers don’t return top 15 prospects. Show me a similar return for a rental.


He’s slightly better but plays a less important position. Watch and learn. You ain’t getting a player like Lekk. Not even close.

Slightly better? lmao

One is a PPG player in the post season the other is decidedly lower.

 

[SEALBound]

Horvat. .687 PPG RS
Guentzel .926 PPG RS

Horvat .62 PPG Playoffs
Guentzel 1.00 PPG playoffs.

Bo GPG Playoffs .41
Jake GPG playoffs .59

And Jakes sample size in the post season is double Horvats.

I'm embarrassed for anyone that is legitimately arguing that Horvat >= Guentzel.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Wait, someone said Guentzel is on the level of Bo freaking Horvat? LOL

 

[Zbynek]

Wait, someone said Guentzel is on the level of Bo freaking Horvat? LOL

Neither of these guys are even close to Nils Hoglander though.

 

[thefutures]

This is gunna be great can't wait to see the blue chip player dubas get back

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

They will get nothing