LeBrun: Guentzel: Pens want prospects over picks - Carolina favorite

[The Grim Reaper]

If my team was a serious top 4 contender and lacking a winger, I'd sell the whole damn farm to acquire a player of Guentzel's playoff pedigree and not look back. I'd take a proven NHL player over multiple "prospect could be good" any day.

 

[Ryder71]

Why? JR, Allvin and Tocchet all know the player very well. They likely have an idea of what he’s looking for contract wise without even talking to him. If he okays a trade to Vancouver, it obviously means he’s waived his NTC, or Vancouver wasn’t on it which would mean he actually likes the city/organization. Vancouver wouldn’t have to offer anything else to be confident they can re-sign him. Islanders didn’t with Horvat.

Because then you're not really getting a rental. You're getting a player obliging to stay there. You don't think KD would know that's in the works? There's a ton of familiarity here, that might change things a bit. We will not get anything less than a very good return.

 

[Empoleon8771]

All of this "don't get your hopes up with Vancouver" talk just reminds me of this tweet earlier today:



The Canucks can't simultaneously be "seriously" in on Guentzel while all of Lekkerimaki, Willander, Hoglander or a 1st are all not available.

 

[66-30-33]

Jake traded yet?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Jake traded yet?

 

[66-30-33]

Right after the removal of the chair?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Because then you're not really getting a rental. You're getting a player obliging to stay there. You don't think KD would know that's in the works? There's a ton of familiarity here, that might change things a bit. We will not get anything less than a very good return.

This is the exact same situation the Isles did with Horvat last season. Vancouver is still taking a risk that Guentzel decides he wants to test the market.

 

[Ryder71]

Jake traded yet?

A team that's never won thinks they can lowball us? This is absurd. lol

 

[VanillaCoke]

You understand that your brass was here in PIT right? You understand that we know quite a bit about your front office, correct? Everything that Canucks fans suggest seems counter intuitive to how JR actually does things.

Sounds like you don't understand at all tbh.

It's not JR cowboy time.
It's Swedish GM Patrik Allvin, and his entire management team time, and they have been nothing but thorough and informed.

Allvin has been so obviously pro swedish players and prospects since day one, and hasn't ever shown and signs any of them have been available.

It is overwhelmingly likely if Jake lands in vancouver, none of them are moving to Pittsburgh, and I'm just saying, pens fans might want to be prepared for that.

If Guentzel doesn't end up in van bc they wouldn't move those three, fine, no problem.

 

[66-30-33]

A team that's never won thinks they can lowball us? This is absurd. lol

So...yes?

 

[Ryder71]

This is the exact same situation the Isles did with Horvat last season. Vancouver is still taking a risk that Guentzel decides he wants to test the market.

Then PIT should do a sign and trade, problem solved.

And it's not the same, Jake knows them and they know us. It's a bit different when you consider that. Similar to why JR went after Jordan. Had his brother wanted to add a guy his brother wanted. And paid a big price for it.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Then PIT should do a sign and trade, problem solved.

Go for it then.

I think you’re confusing what I’m saying here. I’m suggesting that if Vancouver acquires Guentzel, they’ll do whatever is possible to re-sign him. I’m not suggesting they would tamper prior to a trade.

 

[Ryder71]

Go for it then.

I think you’re confusing what I’m saying here. I’m suggesting that if Vancouver acquires Guentzel, they’ll do whatever is possible to re-sign him.

Of course they would. I'm not debating that, but to act as if he's a pure rental to get the price down is silly. We're not stupid.

 

[Fatass]

Then, they won't be getting Guentzel.



That's not the point. Guentzel is the best rental UFA winger in the past few years. The Penguins aren't just going to default to some low-ball that Rutherford is comfortable with because "it's the Canucks".

Just go talk to Devils fans about Tyler Toffoli. The packages and assets being offered in here for Guentzel get you Toffoli, not Guentzel. The Canucks simply will be outbid by other teams.

Which is exactly why I wrote that JG will be traded before the deadline to the highest bidder. What we post here as offers or what Pittsburgh wants is immaterial and only for fun. We are guessing what the cost will be. Imo the Canucks will not pay more than previously stated. Another club might. We shall see.

 

[PG Canuck]

A team that's never won thinks they can lowball us? This is absurd. lol

Because sitting on your couch seeing the players lift a Cup somehow makes you qualified? What the hell is going on here man.

This time of year is beyond hilarious entertainment. None of us know shit. HF gets proven wrong every damn day.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Of course they would. I'm not debating that, but to act as if he's a pure rental to get the price down is silly. We're not stupid.

Well without a contract in place, he would be a rental. It would be on Vancouver’s management group to still get a contract done. You don’t just get to force Guentzel to sign a contract just to trade him, Pittsburgh would have to allow him to negotiate with every potential suitor and when you do that you open up the potential for the player to decide where he wants to go.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

It

All of this "don't get your hopes up with Vancouver" talk just reminds me of this tweet earlier today:



The Canucks can't simultaneously be "seriously" in on Guentzel while all of Lekkerimaki, Willander, Hoglander or a 1st are all not available.

No team is giving the Pens a Lekerimaki or Willander type prospect. The Pens aren’t serious about trading Guentzel if they’re expecting that type of return.

 

[Ryder71]

Because sitting on your couch seeing the players lift a Cup somehow makes you qualified? What the hell is going on here man.

This time of year is beyond hilarious entertainment. None of us know shit. HF gets proven wrong every damn day.

You might not know shit, we'll see what the return with these teams is or another to see how accurate I am. Feel pretty confident actually as to what the return will look like.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Mostly nonsense. The quote said they don’t want to give up a first. It
No team is giving the Pens a Lekerimaki or Willander type prospect. The Pens aren’t serious about trading Guentzel if they’re expecting that type of return.

So according to Canucks fans, they won't trade Hoglander either. So no Hoglander, no Lekkerimaki, no Willander and no 1sts.

So what exactly are they doing to make an offer that competes with anyone for Guentzel? And how can your interest level be "serious" if you're only willing to pay lesser assets?

The "nonsense" in here is that the Canucks are somehow superbly interested in Guentzel yet they're not willing to pay anything for him. That fundamentally makes no sense.

 

[Ryder71]

Well without a contract in place, he would be a rental. It would be on Vancouver’s management group to still get a contract done. You don’t just get to force Guentzel to sign a contract just to trade him, Pittsburgh would have to allow him to negotiate with every potential suitor and when you do that you open up the potential for the player to decide where he wants to go.

On some teams he'd likely be a pure rental, EDM comes to mind. Don't think they could keep him. With VAN there's a legit chance they sign him. I trust our GM will read the situation and assess accordingly. Who's to say they aren't negotiating a sign and trade? You never know.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Being "seriously interested" in trading for Jake Guentzel while not being willing to pay any good assets for him is like me being "seriously interested" in losing weight as I'm eating out and drinking an 6 pack of craft beer every night.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

You might not know shit, we'll see what the return with these teams is or another to see how accurate I am. Feel pretty confident actually as to what the return will look like.

We will have to ask a Habs fan to chime in as they have the most cups and know more than both our fanbases.

 

[Peter Griffin]

On some teams he'd likely be a pure rental, EDM comes to mind. Don't think they could keep him. With VAN there's a legit chance they sign him. I trust our GM will read the situation and assess accordingly. Who's to say they aren't negotiating a sign and trade? You never know.

Maybe they are. I’m suggesting that Vancouver management would be confident they can re-sign him if they were to acquire him, just like Lou Lam was when he acquired Horvat last season without a contract in place.

 

[Ryder71]

We will have to ask a Habs fan to chime in as they have the most cups and know more than both our fanbases.

I have respect for the Habs, but haven't won since '93.

 

[Peter Griffin]

So according to Canucks fans, they won't trade Hoglander either. So no Hoglander, no Lekkerimaki, no Willander and no 1sts.

So what exactly are they doing to make an offer that competes with anyone for Guentzel? And how can your interest level be "serious" if you're only willing to pay lesser assets?

The "nonsense" in here is that the Canucks are somehow superbly interested in Guentzel yet they're not willing to pay anything for him. That fundamentally makes no sense.

You should direct your questions to Rick Dhaliwhal as he’s the one reporting this. I however don’t see any mention of Hoglander not being available…