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1. Don't fire the coach, core doesn't deserve more coaches.
2. Trade a core piece, either Miller or Boeser. Team needs a shake up.
3. Move Suter, Juulsen, Forbore and Lankinen. Get a few extra picks for the draft and promote within.
4. In the offseason, change the defense and bring in a special team coach for the PP.
5. Give Ian Clark a blank cheque. Goaltending hasn't been the same since.
6. Build a practice rink, it's embarrassing this team doesn't have one. 8 rinks is terrible.

It's easy to say this, but right now every team knows we're in a terrible position. Are you trading Boeser or Miller for the sake of it because that's the offer you're getting.

Likewise, we don't have anyone to promote who would replace Suter. Sasson and Ratu have been decent, but they're nowhere close to as versatile. Lankinen isn't getting you more than a 2nd, Meanwhile, Juulsen and Forbort would clear waivers.

If we were getting good offers for any of our players, we'd have made a trade already. Teams are looking to fleece not pay actual market value.
 
If they're dealing Boeser, they better get a defenseman in return.

Allvin's bungling the D last summer should be viewed in the same light as the summer of 2020 when Benning let Tanev and Toffoli walk because he was preoccupied with chasing OEL, the first time, and re-signing Virtanen. In fact, considering the core is now solidly in their prime, it's actually worse.
How you equate Benning letting go of one of the best defensive defenseman in the last decade for nothing, to this year is inconceivable to me. Benning gave up a 9 OA pick for OEL. Would you like Allvin to make a panic move like that? I don't.

There may have been a few options for cheap d-men this year, but it's impossible to tell if they ever had the chance to get them for that cheap (Kovacevich).

I think people are forgetting the utter lack of young talent and assets Benning left behind. And the liabilities.
 
The Ottawa trade probably was a bit of an overpay, but Washington got him for very good value. Admittedly, the Canucks probably didn’t have anything that Ottawa was interested in.
I thought Ottawa did ok on the Washington trade too. Jensen isn’t quite as good but is also a solid top-4 defender, and they got an extra year of control at a slightly lower price for a player who was going to walk at the end of the season. Plus stylistically Jensen fits a bit better on a team that already has Chabot and Sanderson.
 
The point is that with the hypothetical assets we obtain selling off the mentioned players above we should be able to acquire 1 or possibly 2 young core pieces and potentially dip our toes into getting ourselves a higher end FA with the available cap. Guys like Tkachuk/Power/Necas/Byram would be obtainable and then you sign Ehlers or something in FA.

If we do decide to sell, the next logical step would be to have guys like Raty, D-Petey, Willander etc get a couple of months of NHL experience with the hope that they’re able to establish themselves as full time NHL’ers by the start of next season.



Lankinen’s value right now should be absurdly inflated due to several factors such as his record, his insanely cheap contract, and taking the duties of a starting goaltender and exceeding expectations.

I’m purely speculating but I think teams would much rather spend more assets to get an inexpensive quality goalie than pay less to get a more expensive goalie cap wise of the same caliber.
Why are we trading Lankinen. Demko is one slip on a banana peel and done.
Lankinen needs to be signed and just get rid of Demko for what ever you can get at this point .Time to get rid of some core guys.Miller Boeser Myers Demko ect.
 
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Kind of feels like the Canucks thought they could limp along to around the deadline, still be in a good position for playoffs, and then weaponize the cap space they've generated.

I believe Vector (?) Has been keeping track of it, and they'd have almost $8M of space without outgoing contracts I think. That'd buy you some decent upgrades. Except it blew up in their face and it'll be a dog fight to get in now.

Bang on, which is more or less what they've done.
 
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1. Don't fire the coach, core doesn't deserve more coaches.
2. Trade a core piece, either Miller or Boeser. Team needs a shake up.
3. Move Suter, Juulsen, Forbore and Lankinen. Get a few extra picks for the draft and promote within.
4. In the offseason, change the defense and bring in a special team coach for the PP.
5. Give Ian Clark a blank cheque. Goaltending hasn't been the same since.
6. Build a practice rink, it's embarrassing this team doesn't have one. 8 rinks is terrible.
should have built a practice rink a long time ago. next to rogers arena so they wouldnt have to use that trash 8 rinks aka "scotiabarn" or drive to UBC... trade 2 core pieces. firing the coach and using this card is not avaliable anymore.. its time to BLOW IT UP

It's easy to say this, but right now every team knows we're in a terrible position. Are you trading Boeser or Miller for the sake of it because that's the offer you're getting.

Likewise, we don't have anyone to promote who would replace Suter. Sasson and Ratu have been decent, but they're nowhere close to as versatile. Lankinen isn't getting you more than a 2nd, Meanwhile, Juulsen and Forbort would clear waivers.

If we were getting good offers for any of our players, we'd have made a trade already. Teams are looking to fleece not pay actual market value.
imgaine vancouver gave up lerkermaki/walliner +1st 2025 and something else for say byyram or andderson.
 
What is going on here? So many things that are false.

1. You kinda can trade or UFA your way to a competent blueline, if you're not an idiot. WSH added Chychrun and Roy in the offseason. TVR came cheap. That's half their blueline. NJ added Dillon and Pesce via UFA, and Kovacevic in a really cheap trade (which I and other smart posters were screaming about Kovacevic for a year-plus). That's half their blueline - and they're now an elite defensive team. FLA plucked Forsling off waivers, Montour was dumped to them, and Mikkola and Kulikov were UFAs. Their Cup-winning blueline came from the scrap heap. Just have to find the right guys.

2. Zadorov was traded to VAN for a 3rd and 5th. It wasn't a 1st++. You obviously got confused with Lindholm, but it very obviously undermines your point. Allvin largely solved their blueline issue last season reasonably cheaply.
You CAN trade and UFA your way to a competent blueline but you really need to have good scouting along with a bunch of good luck for it to be viable. Last year we signed Soucy and Cole, and not long before that traded for Hronek, then added Z in another trade. We hit on all our acquisitions and our pro scouts looked like genius.
Fast forward to this season and we signed Desharnais, Forbort and extended Myers and Juulsen, and suddenly our pro scouts looks like idiots.
I guess my point is that while it is possible, the odds are stacked against you to hit so often, eventually you will miss and end up with some duds, and the season is flushed away. Keep playing this game doesn't seem like a sustainable long term strategy.
 
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They essentially believed their own hype too much when it came to their pro scouting and how much their system elevated whatever D-man they put into it - last year every D-man had the best season of their career except probably Cole.

I don't think anyone was convinced before the season started that this D group was Stanley Cup calibre but I and many others gave them the benefit of the doubt that they could hold the fort until they acquired an upgrade.

But Myers and Soucy were awful out of the gate and Soucy hasn't really recovered outside a short stretch of games, Forbort and Desharnais have performed predictably somewhere between bad and adequate, the Hronek injury meant a ton more games for Juulsen, and that aforementioned upgrade still hasn't arrived.

I wouldn't say this was a Benning level bungling as there was some bad luck involved and no drastic loss of assets but it was definitely a major miscalculation that they haven't been able to fix and it may cost them the playoffs and has probably already cost them a successful season unless we see a miraculous turnaround sometime soon here.

Gotta wonder what other options were genuinely available to them in the summer that they passed on.
 
I can see Boeser being a trade casualty if JRPA dont see him signing an extension they are comfortable with.

As for Tocchet I dont see them firing him but isn't his contract up at the end of the season? It might be a case of letting him ride out the season and both sides moving on mutually. It has been boring hockey but truthfully I dont think Tocchet is the problem.

If Drury is still hot after Miller it might be worth seeing what is available aside from Schneider & maybe taking a lesser or struggling player but getting a pick is the way to go. JT looked checked out vs Winnipeg
 
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You CAN trade and UFA your way to a competent blueline but you really need to have good scouting along with a bunch of good luck for it to be viable. Last year we signed Soucy and Cole, and not long before that traded for Hronek, then added Z in another trade. We hit on all our acquisitions and our pro scouts looked like genius.
Fast forward to this season and we signed Desharnais, Forbort and extended Myers and Juulsen, and suddenly our pro scouts looks like idiots.
I guess my point is that while it is possible, the odds are stacked against you to hit so often, eventually you will miss and end up with some duds, and the season is flushed away. Keep playing this game doesn't seem like a sustainable long term strategy.
It really emphasizes how important it is to have a pipeline of decent prospects that can step in every year or two on cheap contracts. And then you can usually get another few yrs after their initial contract for relatively cheap.

With the dearth that Benning left, we’ve had to constantly fill holes with trades and UFAs, paying a heavier price and leaving little room for bringing in high end talent.

Would be nice if a couple of these d prospects work out over the next few years to make that a reality.
 
Once Benning left, it was talked about on here that it would take several years to clean up his mess and some of the poison pills that he left behind. Last season was a crazy one (possibly an anomaly) and supercharged expectations. However, the team is still somewhat hamstrung, and there will still be cleaning up to do. We all possibly got ahead of ourselves.
 
I do find it a bit ironic that Chychrun is being referenced as someone who may have been part of the solution as I recall many on here, from an advanced statistics perspective, didn’t like him.
Do not question the smart and also very handsome but quite humble posters (e.g., me).
 
Nonis said the same thing with teams asking for Edler, Bourdon and Kesler in every deal when looking for offensive help, then his ass got fired in the offseason. At some point you just have to do your job.

Management was praised nonstop last year for finding a way to get the job done without giving up major pieces, and deserves equal amounts of blame for sitting on their ass all year & allowing the defense + culture issues to spiral out of control.

Every contract except Hughes and Demko has been signed by these guys - no excuses for not being able to fix it. Fabbro was available for free, Carrier for peanuts, etc. Instead Juulsen is still playing hard matchup minutes for us instead of riding the bench.

Tocchet’s also got to get his act together. I defended him nonstop earlier in the season, but the team has come out extremely flat lately. I gave him all the praise in the world for fixing the teams defensive issues & making them play hard, but now they can’t even do that out there. Yes, there’s issues with the defense, but the effort just isn’t there right now.
Hilariously misinformed example. The literal best thing Nonis did, outside of the Luongo deal that fell in his lap, was keep his powder dry and not give up our entire future for a soon to be UFA who MIGHT have gotten us to the 2nd round once before leaving. It would have been the ultimate in selfish, self-preservation thinking.
I do find it a bit ironic that Chychrun is being referenced as someone who may have been part of the solution as I recall many on here, from an advanced statistics perspective, didn’t like him.
The dislike for Chychrun came in response to those who more casually follow the rest of the league and thought we were 'crazy' to go after Hronek and should have gone after Chychrun. It didn't make sense then and time has borne that out. It doesn't mean he isn't a legit top 4. But he was redundant on LD and had a contract guiding him to UFA.

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This is a disappointing and frustrating season, and last year got everyone's expectations really high.

I do think this board tends to sort of amplify the most histrionic voices.

I said at the start of the year, this season will be a reload. We will probably lose in the 1st round.

Our window in earnest starts when Willander (and to a lesser extent Lekkerimaki) are contributing on their ELCs.

I think Willander will be a quick study and be a useful shutdown guy, at least against 2nd lines most of the time, relatively quickly.

We will then need a solid two way or puck moving LD who can grow with the organization.

The dramatic responses about how 'this core is cooked' are nonsense and I'm always curious how those who want to trade everyone after a bad two months would emotionally survive the 'burn it all down' rebuilds they mistakenly think they want.

If Miller and Petey can't co-exist, I deal Miller easily without a second thought. Keeping him would be a catastrophe.

With that in mind, I trade him for that needed LD and a flawed middle 6 center and whatever pick we can get. To use the NYR, I do KAM and Trochek or, more likely, Chytil.

If I have to, I trade him for a similarly paid guy who might need a move like Timo Meier.

I probably let Brock walk if he wants something like 8x8. I don't think that ages well.

I do whatever I can to acquire Nikolaj Ehlers, the guy I wanted with the stupid Virtanen pick incidentally.

We desperately need to adopt team speed as our identity again like we had for large stretches of last year.

Those aren't the only moves I would make but a team with:

DeBrusk-EP-Ehlers

As the top line.

Chytil and then our buzz saws of Sherwood, Garland, Joshua, Blueger, and a hopefully emerging Lekkerimaki is a forward group you can start with.

Yes, we still need a better 2nd line center, but that's more easy to acquire or fill by committee than this awful bottom 4 D, and absolute dearth of speed on our wings.

A top four of Hughes-Hronek
KAM (or similar)- Willander

Has the potential to grow into an INSANE strength in terms of puck retrievals, puck movement, skill in their zone.

An underrated thing about having a really skilled D is that they can make middle 6 lines incredibly effective.

Let's say you put, just e.g. Garland with Chytil and Joshua. None of those guys are stone cold, create something out of nothing killers. But if they have intelligent and skilled D to play off of, then they can have 2 minute shifts in the other team's zone.

But similar players with Myers, Desharnais, etc get one shot, regain the puck, send it to the point and it's off a shin pad and out.
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I still maintain strongly that the germ of the Canucks team that can win the Stanley Cup is here in Petey, Hughes, Hronek, DeBrusk making 5.5, Willander and possibly Demko if he can regain his game and stay healthy.

It may be time to move off of Miller if the room is as toxic as the reports, and Boeser is so loveable but 8x8 for him is crippling.
 
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imgaine vancouver gave up lerkermaki/walliner +1st 2025 and something else for say byyram or andderson.

To be honest, I'd be okay giving up Lekkerimaki for Byram or Willander for Anderrson. Although, I'd be far more hesitant on the latter. Both are solid, long term assets that fit our age window. Byram comes with concession concerns, but even then, he's such a massive improvement on our left side, I'd be willing to risk it. Especially with how well he's played this season.

If it wasn't for Willander playing right, I'd be more willing to move him for Byram too.
 
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To be honest, I'd be okay giving up Lekkerimaki for Byram or Willander for Anderrson. Although, I'd be far more hesitant on the latter. Both are solid, long term assets that fit our age window. Byram comes with concession concerns, but even then, he's such a massive improvement on our left side, I'd be willing to risk it. Especially with how well he's played this season.

If it wasn't for Willander playing right, I'd be more willing to move him for Byram too.
Cant add support pieces when the core is dysfunctional.

EP and JT are ass this year. Trading futures for support cast when theyre playing like ass is a bad decision imo
 
If Cam Robinson is right and that QH is also tiring of JT's antics then I think the solution is quite simple. Trade him to the highest bidder and move on with it. It's not going to solve the D-man issue but at least you hope to fix the room (and especially EP). At some point, it becomes addition by subtraction.
 
How you equate Benning letting go of one of the best defensive defenseman in the last decade for nothing, to this year is inconceivable to me. Benning gave up a 9 OA pick for OEL. Would you like Allvin to make a panic move like that? I don't.

There may have been a few options for cheap d-men this year, but it's impossible to tell if they ever had the chance to get them for that cheap (Kovacevich).

I think people are forgetting the utter lack of young talent and assets Benning left behind. And the liabilities.
You missed the point, it's not about Tanev the player, Hughes was a 20-year-old completing his rookie season, Pettersson 21 and finishing his second season, Boeser 23 and after his third and Demko was 24 and a rookie, now is their time and this is the missed window opportunity, not back then.

They made a huge error in judgement, thinking they could go into the season with Forbort and Desharnais replacing Cole and Zadorov, and perhaps tweak things in-season as necessary, and now that the season is half over, the price to repair the situation has risen exponentially. A panic move would have been made in October or November, not 6 months after the original personnel decisions were made. The window swung wide open last year and at this rate, unless they get on a real heater, they might have to just squeak into the playoffs.

OEL, as horrible a deal as it was, wasn't a panic move, Benning obsessed over him for two years, and I don't think anybody forgets the barren pipeline he left behind, and that isn't even relevant to the point I was making anyway.
 
If Cam Robinson is right and that QH is also tiring of JT's antics then I think the solution is quite simple. Trade him to the highest bidder and move on with it. It's not going to solve the D-man issue but at least you hope to fix the room (and especially EP). At some point, it becomes addition by subtraction.
Off season move. Opens it up to a lot more teams and because if they trade Miller, Tocchet is going to resign according to rumours.
 
Hilariously misinformed example. The literal best thing Nonis did, outside of the Luongo deal that fell in his lap, was keep his powder dry and not give up our entire future for a soon to be UFA who MIGHT have gotten us to the 2nd round once before leaving. It would have been the ultimate in selfish, self-preservation thinking.

The dislike for Chychrun came in response to those who more casually follow the rest of the league and thought we were 'crazy' to go after Hronek and should have gone after Chychrun. It didn't make sense then and time has borne that out. It doesn't mean he isn't a legit top 4. But he was redundant on LD and had a contract guiding him to UFA.

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This is a disappointing and frustrating season, and last year got everyone's expectations really high.

I do think this board tends to sort of amplify the most histrionic voices.

I said at the start of the year, this season will be a reload. We will probably lose in the 1st round.

Our window in earnest starts when Willander (and to a lesser extent Lekkerimaki) are contributing on their ELCs.

I think Willander will be a quick study and be a useful shutdown guy, at least against 2nd lines most of the time, relatively quickly.

We will then need a solid two way or puck moving LD who can grow with the organization.

The dramatic responses about how 'this core is cooked' are nonsense and I'm always curious how those who want to trade everyone after a bad two months would emotionally survive the 'burn it all down' rebuilds they mistakenly think they want.

If Miller and Petey can't co-exist, I deal Miller easily without a second thought. Keeping him would be a catastrophe.

With that in mind, I trade him for that needed LD and a flawed middle 6 center and whatever pick we can get. To use the NYR, I do KAM and Trochek or, more likely, Chytil.

If I have to, I trade him for a similarly paid guy who might need a move like Timo Meier.

I probably let Brock walk if he wants something like 8x8. I don't think that ages well.

I do whatever I can to acquire Nikolaj Ehlers, the guy I wanted with the stupid Virtanen pick incidentally.

We desperately need to adopt team speed as our identity again like we had for large stretches of last year.

Those aren't the only moves I would make but a team with:

DeBrusk-EP-Ehlers

As the top line.

Chytil and then our buzz saws of Sherwood, Garland, Joshua, Blueger, and a hopefully emerging Lekkerimaki is a forward group you can start with.

Yes, we still need a better 2nd line center, but that's more easy to acquire or fill by committee than this awful bottom 4 D, and absolute dearth of speed on our wings.

A top four of Hughes-Hronek
KAM (or similar)- Willander

Has the potential to grow into an INSANE strength in terms of puck retrievals, puck movement, skill in their zone.

An underrated thing about having a really skilled D is that they can make middle 6 lines incredibly effective.

Let's say you put, just e.g. Garland with Chytil and Joshua. None of those guys are stone cold, create something out of nothing killers. But if they have intelligent and skilled D to play off of, then they can have 2 minute shifts in the other team's zone.

But similar players with Myers, Desharnais, etc get one shot, regain the puck, send it to the point and it's off a shin pad and out.
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I still maintain strongly that the germ of the Canucks team that can win the Stanley Cup is here in Petey, Hughes, Hronek, DeBrusk making 5.5, Willander and possibly Demko if he can regain his game and stay healthy.

It may be time to move off of Miller if the room is as toxic as the reports, and Boeser is so loveable but 8x8 for him is crippling.

Read a little more carefully before calling someone hilariously misinformed - no need for inflammatory language. I never said Nonis was wrong to not go for those deals, he did the right thing on that front. Trading those players for Richards means no cup run a few years later.

What I was blaming him for was not finding another way to find scoring. You can’t just say “sorry, didn’t do my job, prices too high for top end guys” - that kind of stuff doesn’t fly with a real boss. There’s still an entire market below that at the mid-tier level.

The Canucks did an excellent job last year at going into the mid-tier market with Zadorov, Cole and Soucy. This year, much like Nonis with forwards in 2007-2008, they have failed in how they addressed the d on both the trade and free agent market.
 
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I do apologize but how can you think Nonis sitting on his prospects was a bad thing given what played out?

We would have signed him to this insane contract like the Rangers ended up giving the guy and 2 years later he’s bought out with zero value at this point in time. Who knows what the team looks like, I don’t think it would have made us better. We would have more unique problems.
 
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Off season move. Opens it up to a lot more teams and because if they trade Miller, Tocchet is going to resign according to rumours.
I haven't come across anything suggesting his decision to return is influenced by JT. Do you have a link to that information?
 
Except Utah is what five points back with the same number of games played, and as you pointed out are still unhealthy. The blues have played more games and are farther back.

I don’t think we are a lock for the playoffs, but strictly speaking odds wise, it’s easily us as the favourites against the field. Finally having the full team back, time to make moves, and on paper the best roster, with a good lead in the standings except for the Flames.

We're the favorites individually against each team (Calgary may arguably be higher) but against the field itself we're not favorites at all just due to statistical probability (1 in 4).

Moneypuck has our odds at 45.3% and Calgary at 49.3%. Considering there are 4 teams fighting for 1 spot we're not favored to make it. Colorado could also be included but they are far ahead now.


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I do apologize but how can you think Nonis sitting on his prospects was a bad thing given what played out?

We would have signed him to this insane contract like the Rangers ended up giving the guy and 2 years later he’s bought out with zero value at this point in time. Who knows what the team looks like, I don’t think it would have made us better. We would have more unique problems.

I never said in there he should've done the Richards deal, that part is flying over people's heads :laugh:

I'm saying you can't use that price for Richards as an excuse for not finding complementary scoring elsewhere. Middle six players like Vrbata on 1 million dollar contracts were traded for fourth line players like Kevvyn Adams that season - that's the mid-market that Nonis missed, and that's why he was fired.

Similarly this year, if the Canucks are only looking at the Andersson's and Provorov's of the world to patch up the blueline, of course teams are going to ask about Willander. They likely need to take a step down & look at the more mid-tier market like what they did last year with the Zadorov.

Sometimes when your car has been totaled, you have to bite the bullet and buy a Civic - yapping about the price of a Porche in that spot helps no one.
 
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