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[kanucks25]

Miller & Boeser to CBJ gets us the best return.

Perfect timing and targets for the blue jackets.

CBJ must be looking to make a splash, they have been surprisingly strong and need a feel good story to keep the vibes going. Bringing home two American linemates would be big for them

I can't see CBJ haven't any interest in making the type of splash that could disrupt the mojo they have going right now, which this would be.

Not to mention given their team trajectory I don't know how excited they'd be to add older players when most of their young guys are ready to take a step over the next year or so.

 

[kanucks25]

What Allvin needs, is an Eastern Conference 'bidding war' for Miller's services. Devils, Rangers and Hurricanes are the rumored 'front-runners'. And all of them have prospects the Canucks would be salivating over.

If all three teams are on Miller's list of acceptable teams, then maybe they can leverage the competition to return some serious assets.

Doesn't sound like any team likes him enough to get into a bidding war.

More like "yeah I guess if nobody else wants him we'll give you some scraps lmk"

 

[Lat]

Doesn't sound like any team likes him enough to get into a bidding war.

More like "yeah I guess if nobody else wants him we'll give you some scraps lmk"

I don't think there will be enough desperation until we're closer to the TDL.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Weren’t we close to saying yes? Miller was told he wasn’t playing that night, meaning they were probably OK with Cythil and Lindgren.

plus a first and one or more of the three guys the rangers scratched in the ahl that night, sykora, groulx and chmelar.

 

[alternate]

That NYR deal is about what I'd expect. Hard to really rate it without knowing who the prospect was, but Chytil has put up 20+ goals before, and is on pace again this year.

We're always going to be worse at C after this trade. Someone like Chytil at least let's us have legit middle 6 options behind Petey. If Petey doesn't return to 100 point pace Petey, it doesn't matter. But if he does, maybe Chytil, Suter, Blueger (Sasson, Raty, Aman) is enough to at least stay in the playoffs race for this season.

The 1st probably then gets the Hronek treatment as well, as I don't think the FO will punt on the season this early. Think they'll want to see what some "fresh air" does to the group before they sell off too many pieces.

But for me, if JTM is gone, and writing on the wall is pretty loud at this point, then Brock Boeser should also be gone. Not that I consider them a package deal necessarily, but if we're doing major surgery amyway, then let's just do all the surgery and get faster while resetting the core's age around Petey and Quinn.

If Allvin can turn JTM + BB into a 2(ish)C and a top 4 D + extra assets and cap space then who knows
..maybe the dark clouds part and this team rides Petey-Hughes-Demko to a 2nd wild card spot.

Then head into the offseason with additional trade assets and some cap flexibility. Need to nail the trades, but there's a path to a quick refresh of the top of the roster.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

If we do trade Miller to the Rangers, honestly if he get traded this season it will likely be them. I am hoping for Miller, Chytil, and a first. I think K'Andre Miller is still a good get a top 4 defence-man that plays a lot of minutes, and even though it's a down year for him there is still a ton of potential.I good care less if they get Chytil, Miller should be the priority.

 

[David71]

Report: Penguins Willing to Trade Star Defenseman

The Pittsburgh Penguins were one of the hottest teams in the NHL in December, but have fallen quite hard since the turn of the new year. With just three wins si

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[Wisp]

i feel like some people are forgetting what they got with they got with the Horvat trade and what they did with the assets they got back.

can do a lot with capspace and a pick that would currently be in the top 10.

 

[VanJack]

i feel like some people are forgetting what they got with they got with the Horvat trade and what they did with the assets they got back.

can do a lot with capspace and a pick that would currently be in the top 10.

You can almost guarantee that the pick will be 'lottery protected'. If the Rangers fail to make the playoffs, the first round pick would revert to the next draft.

As I recall this was much the same return as the Canucks got in the Islanders trade for Horvat. I think the pick was lottery protected as well, and when Isles made the post-season the pick fell to 17th overall.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Offer sheeting Luke Hughes would be the funniest thing this team could do. Unless it’s 11M+, New Jersey probably matches lol.

I gotta think on this a bit. Offer sheeting Luke something ridiculous that NJ can’t match to ensure Quinn, our best player, stays, is one ballsy ass f***ing move and has the potential to go down as one of the ballsiest moves in NHL history.

 

[Horvat1C]

Mercer and K'Andre Miller are the reasonable pieces that interest me.

 

[Curm]

7. Team to watch: Carolina. They are active, ready to pounce.

8. The Hurricanes and Rangers are two of the teams with permission to talk to J.T. Miller. Believe the New York offer was Filip Chytil, a first-rounder and a prospect. I get very mixed messages on New Jersey. The Rangers have the cap room to do it, but the Devils would need to perform roster surgery to pull it off. Yes, they struggled until pounding Boston on Wednesday, but that’s a good team. I’m not convinced about Dallas, either. I always assume I’m missing something, though.

9. Elias Pettersson communicated to the Canucks he wishes to stay. We will see how all of this unfolds.

That Rangers offer is terrible, a 3rd liner with concussion issues, a 1st round pick that could easily drop at least into the low 20s, and a B/C level prospect. Getting less for Miller than what the Canucks gave up for Lindholm would mean Allvin could have been worked over by both Drury and Conroy.

Kind of cryptic comment with respect to Pettersson. Maybe he is going too? I'm still good with both going for the right price.

 

[TruGr1t]

I have to wonder if that leaked Rangers offer received so much backlash, both among general chatter and behind the scenes (ie. Biznasty and Aquilini) that they’re rethinking the return and timing. I’m not sure it’s coincidence Sat reported after all this leaked the Canucks would now consider a more futures-heavy package and may wait until the summer to move Miller.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I have to wonder if that leaked Rangers offer received so much backlash, both among general chatter and behind the scenes (ie. Biznasty and Aquilini) that they’re rethinking the return and timing. I’m not sure it’s coincidence Sat reported after all this leaked the Canucks would now consider a more futures-heavy package and may wait until the summer to move Miller.

While I tend to agree this is what happened it certainly looks bad on management that they are basing trades based on fan reaction and sediment. I'm just preparing myself to be disappointed.

 

[Canucker]

I have to wonder if that leaked Rangers offer received so much backlash, both among general chatter and behind the scenes (ie. Biznasty and Aquilini) that they’re rethinking the return and timing. I’m not sure it’s coincidence Sat reported after all this leaked the Canucks would now consider a more futures-heavy package and may wait until the summer to move Miller.

If our management let "general chatter" influence their decision making I'd really be concerned. However, I'd also have serious concerns if they thought Chytil, a late 1st rounder and a mid prospect (add/subtract Lindgren) was an acceptable return for JT Miller.

 

[TruGr1t]

If our management let "general chatter" influence their decision making I'd really be concerned. However, I'd also have serious concerns if they thought Chytil, a late 1st rounder and a mid prospect (add/subtract Lindgren) was an acceptable return for JT Miller.

Probably more so our owner, who can be hyper-influenced by such things. Especially when he is probably already seeing a notable drop in ticket sales.

 

[Diversification]

Probably more so our owner, who can be hyper-influenced by such things. Especially when he is probably already seeing a notable drop in ticket sales.

Haha. Maybe it was management that leaked the details knowing that it would garner press and fan backlash and that this would cause Aquaman to finally relent and accept a futures return.

A plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel (h/t to Blackadder).

 

[Dana Murzyn]

If our management let "general chatter" influence their decision making I'd really be concerned. However, I'd also have serious concerns if they thought Chytil, a late 1st rounder and a mid prospect (add/subtract Lindgren) was an acceptable return for JT Miller.

Bet on door number 3: neither is true.

 

[Lupuls Grit]

At some point people here have to realize Miller is not a particularly tradeable asset. He will be 32 soon, has too large of a cap hit for contenders to fit easily, has an NMC, and is a known malcontent. He doesn't have much trade value.

He has a significant amount of trade value in the context of a rising cap (his salary is not particularly high) but he does not have much trade value right now as a result of lack of cap flexibility from contenders and his NMC. I am in the camp that we should not move Miller unless one of those teams agrees to part with a very good asset of real value to the Canucks. Otherwise, Miller should remain with the team until the end of the season where he can discuss with his family other potential teams he may consider. The trade can be done at or around the draft. It also gives the Canucks one more chance to try to gel as a team. It was not long ago they were only one win away from the WCF (albeit with a much better defence corps).

 

[JT Milker]

The NYR unprotected 1st is currently top 15, it’s a good asset. If the other piece was Miller or Schneider, and then we flipped the NYR 1st+ for a top 6 C, we could be in good shape to reload for next year. The other piece can’t be Chytil and a busting prospect though.

 

[LemonSauceD]

The NYR unprotected 1st is currently top 15, it’s a good asset. If the other piece was Miller or Schneider, and then we flipped the NYR 1st+ for a top 6 C, we could be in good shape to reload for next year. The other piece can’t be Chytil and a busting prospect though.

You’d probably hold onto the NY 1st and see what you can get at the draft. The thing is there arent many teams who are in the bottom of the standings that have pieces we’d want. And the teams who are middle in the pack with nice young assets like Columbus and Ottawa likely don’t care for futures.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Chytil, KAM + unprotected 2025 1st for Miller is the minimum.

But I still think mgmt wants assets in a Miller deal to flip for a dmen they prefer over anything the Rags have (barring Schneider).

 

[Bgav]

Hurricanes ready to pounce + interested in Miller = Trade today?

 

[theguardianII]

Will Allvin be too afraid to make any trade of a big name player, I think Rutherford was still a lot more involved in the Horvat trade that first 8 months.
Would Allvin rather have the team lose than make a trade? Then he could blame the player(s) involved in the rumors and gain another year with a losing lineup because;
"I want to see what this group can do without all the distractions" and he has said it will take him 60+games to evaluate the team regardless of the stats that they have said they wanted to use.

If the Canucks lose this Oilers game they would need to get around 50pts out of a possible 70pts (.715) or play at the highest win points percentage in the league even now they have to play over .700. That's to get to 100pts which is close to the minimum considering other teams also have much easier schedules.

Will Allvin be too afraid to make a trade? Will he let the team lose so he doesn't get embarrassed? Will he not do anything to show the other GM's he is strong?

In the current situation with his public comments like a 27yr old 7 year veteran needing to grow up, he may be in a no win scenario now, IMO all he can do is try to change the goal posts, state/start building for next year and beyond.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Hurricanes ready to pounce + interested in Miller = Trade today?

I thought Hurricane season was over...