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[Just A Bit Outside]

This mgmt group needs to buy some Depends to stop the constant leaks.

 

[Vector]

I keep coming in here to see what's happening. And I find nothing. Come on guys, pick it up, I count on you!

I’m trying!

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Lmao trade the core like FAQ would let that happen. Guy thinks Bennings core is the next dynasty.

 

[pitseleh]

Which is why being near on trading Pettersson (again) makes this management team look terrible.

They're grasping at anything that turns around the room while potentially levelling their chance to compete long-term.

If both get traded I’m not sure how you can have any confidence in this management group going forward. It’s basically an admission they’ve screwed up the past few years.

If you’re trading both for types of packages being bandied about, this team has no shot of going anywhere the next few years so you can probably kiss Hughes goodbye too.

It’s frustrating because things probably don’t reach this level if the team weren’t running out four 6/7 defenders for more than half the game every night.

Some people point the finger at the core having failed, but the one time they had a decent team around them, they did pretty well. It’s just that the team has had awful depth for years now.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

My faith in this mgmt group lessens by the hour.

 

[sting101]

DeBrusk Barzal Sher/Lekk
Suter Miller Boeser
Joshua Blueger Garland
Heinen Raty Lekk/Sher
PDG Sasson

Hughes Dobson
Pelech Willander/stop gap deadline (jokiharju)
Soucy Myers
Pettersson

Demko

This is good team...Miller and Barzal w/Boeser could be an excellent top line with Barzals puck carrying and playmaking if you want or need to load up.
Suter could drop into a 2C spot and still have Debrusk-Sherwood or Debrusk-Lekk if his game gets to that point.
The 3rd line is back to the one that dominated in that role and still have some depth
The D just needs a stop gap at this point and if Willander quickly transitions it instantly becomes excellent. Dobson is superior to Hronek who is a bad contract. That and Pelech would be a massive win

 

[racerjoe]

Well yes, but that's addition by subtraction, not on the basis on the return. If you just want to get rid of Miller you can trade him for feathers. I'm saying. Pettersson will actually return pieces that could potentially have more of an impact right now.

Maybe directly from the trade sure, but if you can flip the miller assets. I also think in the long run it’s been proven we are better with Peterson than Miller, even though I think Miller has currently been more of a game breaking player.

Exactly what I was saying.

 

[bossram]

It makes sense because Hall isn’t really a “useful” piece at $6 million, he is scoring at a 0.5 ppg and has been healthy scratched by the team. And when he was scratched he wasn’t I even given any warning. I think it’s likely that the Chicago brass just wanted to get Hall out of the dressing room.

In that context it makes sense that Chicago only got a third for retaining ok Rantanen. They probably would have got like a second if Hall wasn’t being dumped as well.

I get that people wanted them to hold the trade up for a ransom, but at the end of the day, they got out of the Hall deal and shed 1.8m in salary and got paid a 3rd rounder.

I don't think that's terrible work, and I would not be shocked to hear that Hall wasn't living up to his "veteran presence" role either, becaus he never has been that guy.

I am pretty confident Tulsky views Hall as a useful piece. I don't know why Chicago needs to dump Hall in this situation. Not like they need the cap space. I have no clue about his "locker room presence". For the rest, I'll quote a previous post:

I actually think CHI got too little for the retention. You look at the state of the league right now, a lot of the bottom-tier teams have 1 or 0 retention slots. And then a team like BUF is too cheap to pay for it. And in the East there are a glut of teams who might be unwilling to do it because they're in the playoff race.

There aren't many options for teams to get a third party to broker a trade to make the cap work.

 

[racerjoe]

DeBrusk Barzal Sher/Lekk
Suter Miller Boeser
Joshua Blueger Garland
Heinen Raty Lekk/Sher
PDG Sasson

Hughes Dobson
Pelech Willander/stop gap deadline (jokiharju)
Soucy Myers
Pettersson

Demko

This is good team...Miller and Barzal w/Boeser could be an excellent top line with Barzals puck carrying and playmaking if you want or need to load up.
Suter could drop into a 2C spot and still have Debrusk-Sherwood or Debrusk-Lekk if his game gets to that point.
The 3rd line is back to the one that dominated in that role and still have some depth
The D just needs a stop gap at this point and if Willander quickly transitions it instantly becomes excellent. Dobson is superior to Hronek who is a bad contract. That and Pelech would be a massive win

Honest question, cause I haven’t watched NYI, but hasn’t Barzal been dogshit the past few seasons? That’s just what other posters have been saying gain I haven’t been watching them play.

 

[Curm]

I’m trying!

People are jonesing for a trade, better be careful, or they'll pitch trading you to X for Taj.

 

[ahmon]

fire Allvin, I dont trust him handling these type of major deals, these deals directly relate to the canucks next 5 years.

we already took too long to fire Benning - that caused irreversible damage.

This is the time I want ownership to meddle.

 

[andora]

Honest question, cause I haven’t watched NYI, but hasn’t Barzal been dogshit the past few seasons? That’s just what other posters have been saying gain I haven’t been watching them play.

Production has been but his creativity and effort stays consistent. He is again a center that you need to find fits for on the wing but he does have far more grit to his name than pettersson imo

Barzal and sherwood would click

 

[Bleach Clean]

If both get traded I’m not sure how you can have any confidence in this management group going forward. It’s basically an admission they’ve screwed up the past few years.

If you’re trading both for types of packages being bandied about, this team has no shot of going anywhere the next few years so you can probably kiss Hughes goodbye too.

It’s frustrating because things probably don’t reach this level if the team weren’t running out four 6/7 defenders for more than half the game every night.

Some people point the finger at the core having failed, but the one time they had a decent team around them, they did pretty well. It’s just that the team has had awful depth for years now.

They probably don't reach this level with competent defense, but they probably still have disappointing years from Pettersson, Miller/most forwards. As Drance puts it, there's a major problem with the defense, and there's still a problem with Pettersson and Miller. They haven't played well inside a suboptimal framework. Nobody but Hughes has.

I do agree that this team has had awful depth for years. Heinen-Blueger-Sherwood should be a 4th line, not a 3rd line. PDG, Sasson/Other AHLer play regularly. Hoglander is probably a 3rd/4th liner. Joshua played like a fringe player when he was back (understandably). It's just not a deep team.

But they're butting up against the cap with a shallow team and a coach who has double-talked his way to creating the worst offense in the league. But apparently, his system/structure is sound enough to be able to accurately judge the players here...

 

[Glennis the Menace]

fire Allvin, I do trust him handling these type of major deals, these deals directly relate to the canucks next 5 years.

we already took too long to fire Benning - that caused irreversible damage.

This is the time I want ownership to meddle.

Takes like these are why we have the reputation we do as a fanbase.

 

[Big zZz]

Was going to say. The team implosion follows closely with Miller's return from leave.

Some people have trouble seeing the forest through the trees I guess.

 

[bossram]

i'm trying to be open minded about what management is doing but i really don't see how trading pettersson and miller (or even just pettersson but i'm skeptical there's any path to getting miller happy again) gets this team anywhere. even something like necas, kk and morrow for pettersson leaves this team awful at center, weak on the wing and still with probably the worst defense in the league

the way i see it there's no path to a winning team in the near term unless pettersson turns it around so you may as well gamble on that happening. trading pettersson pretty much guarantees a mediocre team for the forseeable future

It's this 100%. If brass trades Petey, my view on them will flip completely and it will show their thought process and strategy for team building is just totally flawed.

The only way this team is a contender is if Petey returns to form as a top-10 C. You have to go with him. You will lose a Pettersson trade and just end up being the Buffalo side of the Eichel deal. There is zero path to contention if they do that. You trade him, you are mediocre for the medium-term. And essentially force a rebuild in the long-term as Quinn will absolutely be leaving in that event.

If they want to be competitive, they have to gamble on Petey. If they trade him, they may as well trade everyone (Hughes included) and enter the McKenna/Dupont sweeptakes.

 

[Curm]

Wrong thread

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Some people have trouble seeing the forest through the trees I guess.

We are getting a 1st? From who? For what?

I need to know!!!

 

[Agent007]

If both get traded I’m not sure how you can have any confidence in this management group going forward. It’s basically an admission they’ve screwed up the past few years.

If you’re trading both for types of packages being bandied about, this team has no shot of going anywhere the next few years so you can probably kiss Hughes goodbye too.

It’s frustrating because things probably don’t reach this level if the team weren’t running out four 6/7 defenders for more than half the game every night.

Some people point the finger at the core having failed, but the one time they had a decent team around them, they did pretty well. It’s just that the team has had awful depth for years now.

Completely agree. Last year they were healthy, had a better blue line and clearly were a 100+ point team. Not a fluke they pushed Edmonton to 7 despite no Demko. This year they’ve had injuries and the defence has taken a step back (makes matters worse that they’ve had injuries on D too).

Clearly the bigger problem is the blue line and lack of depth but instead they seem to want to gut this team.

 

[bossram]

The other thing, if the Canucks trade Pettersson I would bet Miller gets real happy right away, and backs off his trade request. That being said, in this scenario someone needs to sit Miller down immediately and say: "OK , look, we traded the other guy. You win. We are willing to keep you, but you need to STFU and let Hughes be captain, or you're next."

They did this with Horvat and nothing changed. They picked Miller. Didn't matter.

Miller is what he is. He is always going to cause problems with his teammates. To appease him again and expect otherwise is foolish.

 

[sting101]

Honest question, cause I haven’t watched NYI, but hasn’t Barzal been dogshit the past few seasons? That’s just what other posters have been saying gain I haven’t been watching them play.

99pts in 106 games with one of the most risk averse boring teams in the NHL and without another 1st line talent

He's one of best playmakers and puck carriers in the NHL and was good in the playoffs. He's drawn some criticism for faceoffs which he sucks at (so does Pettersson so your not losing anything) and sometimes his turnovers and defending but that team has almost no one capable of creating anything and too much runs through him like what happens to Hughes when he gets worn down

With some capable shooters like Boeser Miller Lekkerimaki he could be dynamite. His skating which is way better than Pettersson would make us faster on the attack and the energy alone coming back home would bring back immediate hope as we charge towards a playoff

That defence would be massively better. Way more complete team and i bet happy because they would be winning.
its this type of deal or just tear it down piece by piece with toxicity till the Hughes departs.......so yes go ahead choose Petey and start the drain for peanuts on Miller Boeser Suter Lankinen Demko Garland Soucy Myers Sherwood who will all be gone by the 2026 season

Should have done the Necas deal last year. Problem is finding a buyer now

 

[ahmon]

Takes like these are why we have the reputation we do as a fanbase.

who cares?

if we start winning cups and don't worry about what others think that might change that reputation?

 

[bossram]

Honest question, cause I haven’t watched NYI, but hasn’t Barzal been dogshit the past few seasons? That’s just what other posters have been saying gain I haven’t been watching them play.

Yeah. I don't get how trading one mediocre core for another mediocre team's mediocre core is actually "better".

 

[ahmon]

If both get traded I’m not sure how you can have any confidence in this management group going forward. It’s basically an admission they’ve screwed up the past few years.

If you’re trading both for types of packages being bandied about, this team has no shot of going anywhere the next few years so you can probably kiss Hughes goodbye too.

It’s frustrating because things probably don’t reach this level if the team weren’t running out four 6/7 defenders for more than half the game every night.

Some people point the finger at the core having failed, but the one time they had a decent team around them, they did pretty well. It’s just that the team has had awful depth for years now.

Its pretty obvious they screwed up.

this canucks management mo, sign high, sell low

 

[Glennis the Menace]

who cares?

if we start winning cups and don't worry about what others think that might change that reputation?

We're not winning cups with that suggestion. I don't think there's precedent in any Big Four sports league where a GM's been knee-jerk fired like that, whose ownership meddled, and then won a championship.

I get we're all riled up and unhappy with the franchise but come on brother. We haven't reached Benning-level lows yet, thank god.