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I think we see things differently. Do I think this is the last season Willander spends in college? Yes. Do I think he might even get a look this coming season? Maybe. But I don't think they will purposely rest Myers. This type of load management isn't common in the NHL and if you have followed the talks some of us were engaged in with regars to resting Petey for the playoffs, you'll probably come to the same conclusion that the team is unlikely to rest Myers simply because he's older.
Also, Descharnais is signed for 2 years. How does that suggest to you that the plan is for Willander to be on the team by the end of this coming season? Because Descharnais doesn't have an NTC? Technically the team can trade Petey to any team. Is the plan really to have Descharnias serve as the 7th Dman if need be?
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They could have gone after a dman that would have both cost more, needed longer term and would have had the capacity to play at a higher level then either Myers or Descarnais. I believe they did that and a strategy to allow for Willander to walk Into a top 4 role sooner than later. If Willander is ready, I have no doubt they would bump one of those two to the number 7 spot or make a trade.
I just don’t understand why you would give Myers 3 years with an NMC attached for the first 2 and then sign Desharnais to a 2x2 with Willander likely on the way.
Either they think Willander will be at least 2 years away (which if that’s the case then certainly a major disappointment of an 11 OA pick and I’d then prefer they use him as a trade piece) or the plan is to ride 4 RHD with Desharnais moved to the left side. Cause there’s no way you’re leaving a $2M contract on the press box and Foote/Tocchet were a major proponent in bringing Desharnais here in the first place.
Either they think Willander will be at least 2 years away (which if that’s the case then certainly a major disappointment of an 11 OA pick and I’d then prefer they use him as a trade piece) or the plan is to ride 4 RHD with Desharnais moved to the left side. Cause there’s no way you’re leaving a $2M contract on the press box and Foote/Tocchet were a major proponent in bringing Desharnais here in the first place.
yeah signing myers was a big head scratcher. i expected them to walk away from myers this offseason.
hughes/hronek
soucy/ufa or trade/fa there were tons of rhd available too on the first day. would have liked john marino from jersey before he got scooped up by utah.
ufa/deharnais.
give a pto to john klingberg? coming off hip surgery good offensive dman had 67 pts in dallas in 2017/2018.
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Hoglander
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Way too early to give up on Willander at that point. Broberg was a higher pick, still hasn't made a team out of camp, and teams are throwing 4+ mil at him based on potential at 22 years old. 11th ov is far from a slam dunk pick, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a year of AHL seasoning. That would be like giving up on Lekkerimaki if he doesn't make the team in a few months. 20 is still really young.
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You think if an 11 OA pick isn't ready within his first 2 years after being drafted it's a "major disappointment"?
That's a ridiculous take lol.
In one of the deepest drafts of this century where legit 4 first overall caliber players were taken within the first 7 picks alone? Yeah. We are literally talking about an 11th OA pick, not a 3rd rounder.
If he’s still not NHL ready beyond his D+4 year then it was a bad pick at 11 OA and would be an absolute waste of value during this little competitive window that’s been seemingly pry’d open to wait on him. Why is that ridiculous? If he was a 2nd round pick or beyond we wouldn’t even entertain this discussion. Otherwise you have another Juolevi situation where you should’ve just cut bait the moment you realized he wasn’t going to materialize.
Mind you I don’t think Willander will take that long and my post was under the context it takes 2 more years after his D+2.
But yeah go look at other 11 OA picks (or top 10 picks for that matter) and see how many players become successful NHL’ers if they’re still not in the NHL full time contributing by their D+4 year. Answer is non existent.
Broberg has been a massive disappointment and it just further proves my point to cut bait and extract a pick rather than wait on him. I think it’s a stupid OS by St Louis and Edmonton would be even more stupid to match that ridiculous OS.
This Broberg OS thing is probably the most rarest kind of thing you’ll ever see. I’m not sure why a team would offer sheet a high amount on an unproven disappointing player that’s entering his D+6 year. He’s essentially become a PP specialist at the AHL level and St Louis are throwing a ton of money based off 13 playoff games where he was mostly average. He’s a reclamation project at this stage, playoff teams don’t have room nor the time for those.
It’s like if the Canucks were to offer sheet Derrick Pouliot for $4.5M.
Hoglander
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Broberg was just an example of a high pick that didn't pan out by 20 years old, yet is clearly still perceived as having potential.
Simon Edvinsson was drafted 6ov, has a February birthday like Willander, and did not make the Nhl at 20 years old - yet these boards just ranked him the 10th best prospect in hockey.
Cutting bait on Willander at 20 years old, for not beating out solid vets on a winning team - I think your getting too hung up on draft position and have set really high expectations. At 11ov, we should be happy if he takes only a year in the ahl, then becomes a top 4 nhl dman after working his way up from the 3rd pairing. He doesn't project as a star player, and unlike virtually all of his peers, he only has a few seasons under his belt as a dman.
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Perhaps we're overthinking things. Dmen get banged up over the course of a season. Call it load management or rest days or whatever, it's entirely plausible - likely even - that Willander gets some reps on the bottom pairing as the season winds down and with us (hopefully) gearing up for a playoff run. That way they can see if he's a viable injury replacement in the postseason if nothing else.
As for Desharnais blocking him with a 2x2M contract, that's not a huge issue. Desharnais has either established himself as a player outplaying his contract (great) or he's easily sloughed off through a minor trade to free up a position for Willander. Myers, on the other hand, I see in a different category. He's a player that can manage a shutdown role on the second pairing provided he's got the right d partner (Soucy for example). Myers at 3x3 is a bit rich but it's a hedge that Willander won't be ready for those types of minutes until near the end of Myers' contract.
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Dhaliwal on SN650 morning show: "Demko progressing, but no timeline on his return. Not sure if he's had any type of surgery, radio silence from the team. Think the Canucks are still poking around the goalie market. Team has been worried about his rehab going back to the draft, at that point I don't think he'd even skated. That's when they talked to DeSmith again. Not hearing any setbacks or anything super bad on Demko, but you have to be prepared. I think his rehab is not going as well as some people would like. Don't have a date on his return. Maybe a veteran goalie on a PTO."
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I think this has been sort of an unstated "discomfort" around the team all summer. Allvin has been pretty cagey every time his name is brought up.
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I remember the rumors about management moving Demko in 2022/2023. It made zero sense at the time, but in hindsight.....
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StickShift
In a pickle 🥒
The league has been saying for a while that Demko’s health is no good. This tweet is from two years ago:
A goaltender can only be great if he is healthy enough to play in your most important games.
A goaltender can only be great if he is healthy enough to play in your most important games.
I think management has been concerned about him since their 1st season with him. This isn’t a new development.
Demko being an injury risk is unsurprising, frustrating, and not easily dealt with. There's not a lot of goalies available in the DeSmith mold like last season. Going through the rosters, here's who may be available that maybe could work with a swap of Poolman+pick.
Red Wings
Alex Lyon - 1y/0.9m
Ville Husso 1y/4.75m
Utah
Karel Vejmelka - 1y/2.725m
Kings
Copley - 1y/0.825m
Sharks
Vanecek - 1y/3.4m
Blackwood - 1y/2.35m
Senators
Forsberg - 1y/2.75m
Red Wings
Alex Lyon - 1y/0.9m
Ville Husso 1y/4.75m
Utah
Karel Vejmelka - 1y/2.725m
Kings
Copley - 1y/0.825m
Sharks
Vanecek - 1y/3.4m
Blackwood - 1y/2.35m
Senators
Forsberg - 1y/2.75m
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StickShift
In a pickle 🥒
I wouldn’t be shocked if they sniffed around Askarov.
It might cost you a Lekkerimaki or Willander—but the potential of a goalie hitting far exceeds the return of a defenseman or winger hitting. Huge risk/reward either way.
It would be a big swing—but it feels like the sort of swing that Rutherford would make.
It might cost you a Lekkerimaki or Willander—but the potential of a goalie hitting far exceeds the return of a defenseman or winger hitting. Huge risk/reward either way.
It would be a big swing—but it feels like the sort of swing that Rutherford would make.
different situation from last season, where the team needed demko for 50+ games to know if the playoffs would be a reality.
someone like forsberg from ottawa (now that they have ullmark) shouldn't cost much, and he'd be a fine platoon with silovs. vejmelka would be a very solid add if ingram is the guy in utah.
if demko can come back for the playoffs, that's really all i'd be focused on.
someone like forsberg from ottawa (now that they have ullmark) shouldn't cost much, and he'd be a fine platoon with silovs. vejmelka would be a very solid add if ingram is the guy in utah.
if demko can come back for the playoffs, that's really all i'd be focused on.
StickShift
In a pickle 🥒
The concern is less so that this is a one-time injury that and that the team needs to overcome not having him for 1/4, 1/2, all of the regular season…
But that there seems to be a pattern to these injuries that suggests there is something fundamentally wrong with the mechanics of Demko’s body that will cause these injuries to repeatedly occur.
His workload was managed last year far more than ever with DeSmith and his body still let him down in the stretch and then again in the playoffs.
The concern is more so that even if he rested all regular season and then came back for the playoffs that he would still be just as prone to injury as he was before and not be available for the most important games.
