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[supercanuck]

San Jose or Chicago are the teams who should be looking at Jiricek. We can't afford the potential price tag IMO

 

[bossram]

I've long been pretty intrigued by Tomasino. I think it's a very worthwhile gamble by PIT. I would have jumped on that.

He's showed some promise early in his pro career. Not sure what Trotz is doing - he's just completely misplayed his hand so far as GM.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Let's a assume the bidders are confined to TML, NAS and VAN as has been reported. Who can put together a better bid? Is it possible for us to cobble together something that doesn't include Willander or Lekk?

Of course it is, we have several other assets.

Is that the winning bid idk, nobody knows, but we should be trying add Jiricek to Willander and Lekk right now, IF we can.

Whether that helps us win fifteen more games this year or next is irrelevant.

 

[Peen]

Every deal is price dependent but we have no idea what Waddell will want or accept.

But the notion we shouldn't try to add Jiricek because it doesn't help win the presidents trophy this season is ridiculous.

If it costs Willander/Lekk then it makes no sense and we're out, fine, but that's largely fan assumption, real life deals happen all the time fans Do not and can not predict.

The point being we should absolutely be trying to add Jiricek, regardless of his presumed time-line to contribution.
Let's not pretend lekk&Will are our only assets, possibly most valuable prospects, but not the only assets.

(Same for every trade target, all our top swedish prospects are probably not going anywhere, save for another Guentzel tier addition)

I feel like you're arguing a relatively pointless point or i'm just lost

like obviously everyone would take jiricek if they wanted to pawn him off for secondary assets

but most people are talking about this from a more realistic perspective given the circumstances, and that is one where they're getting an impact roster player or "equivalent" prospect back

 

[Nucker101]

I'd trade Lekk + non-significant add for Jiricek but I have no idea if that's considered acceptable or not or if Columbus even has interest in trading a dman for a winger prospect for some reason

I don't see the point in trading Willander for Jiricek, especially since our guy is a great skater and theirs is a below average one.

 

[thecupismine]

I've long been pretty intrigued by Tomasino. I think it's a very worthwhile gamble by PIT. I would have jumped on that.

He's showed some promise early in his pro career. Not sure what Trotz is doing - he's just completely misplayed his hand so far as GM.

Haven't watched him much, but he's been a guy early in his career who's paced 25-30 even strength points per 82 playing a bottom 6 role, controls roughly 50% of the scoring chances, and has contributed decently on PP2.

Not sure what's going on this year in Nashville, but seems like a worthwhile gamble for Pittsburgh for only a 4th.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I feel like you're arguing a relatively pointless point or i'm just lost

like obviously everyone would take jiricek if they wanted to pawn him off for secondary assets

but most people are talking about this from a more realistic perspective given the circumstances, and that is one where they're getting an impact roster player or "equivalent" prospect back

I feel like other are arguing a stupid pointless point, we can't because it's definitely going to cost willy, and or we can't because he's not nhl ready rn..

"Secondary assets" & "realistic perspective" are just buzz words you made up that mean nothing.

Ppl have no idea what assets Waddell wants or will accept. So assuming it's our two top prospects is obvious, but it might not be.
And we should know the chef isn't going to move them for a lateral trade so basing the argument on that premise seems illogical.

Again, if we can add Jiricek without them then we should regardless of his "timeline" that's my point.

We could see cbj trade him for anything, we don't know what that's going to be.
If we have the assets great, if not that's fine too, but we shouldn't be uninterested because he doesn't help this team immediately ..

 

[Hodgy]

The Willander and Jirecek potential trade is interesting. It is worth mentioning that Willander has yet to face professional competition, and accordingly, is looking like the better prospect as of now, but that can and may change pretty rapidly once Willander is signed. There is a massive jump from amateur to professional hockey, and I think generally, the 18-19 year old that is playing amateur hockey is overrated in comparision to the 20-21 year old that is playing professional hockey and struggling.

I also think that the trade doesn't necessarily need to be perceived as a lateral trade. It really depends on how the Canucks scouting view Willander and Jircek, because its possible that the Canucks scouting believe that Jiricek is currently an NHL player that could play up the line up quite click in Tocchett's system, whereas they may view Willander as being 2-3 years away from being a top three defender. If that's the case, then a deal could make sense.

Personally, I have no idea. You'd need to be scouting both these players to really know whether that type of trade makes any sense, and of course, there is a ton of volatility in prospect development making any projections difficult.

 

[MS]

That Tomasino trade doesn't bode well for Hoglander having any value.

 

[God]

weird that the rangers are 12-6-1 and want to make a shakeup. that seems like a fine record to have at the moment.

kreider's an interesting target because i can't tell from the microstats whether he's just terrible now or if mika zibanejad is bringing his numbers down even more. but he's 33 with two more years after this at 6.5M AAV, and even though i'm shocked he's still scoring goals at this age, that physical decline has to be coming soon. hoggy probably isn't a valuable trade chip for this deal.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I guarantee you that Matheson would be playing more minutes than Soucy, but Soucy would be eating the lions share of matchup minutes while Matheson is playing the cheap ones against bottom six opposition. It depends on how you want to describe what a top four D is, but I’ve always been consistent that I would pin the 20 minute soft matchup guy below the 17 minute hard matchup guy.

Pettersson rn is better than 2024 Soucy but I’m a big believer in what we saw from Soucy in early 2023. Especially if we get him a partner that isn’t Tyler Myers.

For me, the interest I have with Matheson is twofold. One, he could allow for the potential split of Hughes and Hronek which is basically a non-option right now. In such a scenario either Soucy or Brannstrom would need to play right because good god do I not want to see Myers next to Hughes but either could work.

More importantly, it's very contingent on Montreal holding salary, or us being to bounce Matheson through another team cheaply. At 4.8M, he's really not the ideal target but at half that price? Especially going into next season where we have another 2.4M being added to our dead cap thanks to good ole Dim Jim.

I'd prefer Pettersson or Provorov but both are likely rentals only. Maybe not Pettersson if the cap goes up enough but neither is a guarantee.

As for Jiricek, I'd like him but he's more a long term project than a player who can step in now or even next season. Columbus hasn't exactly developed him well at all but he's not done himself many favors. I just don't think it's a fit for us given how much we already lack consistent talent on the backend.

 

[Nucker101]

Matheson is tough to evaluate, he's prone to some hilarious defensive lapses but that's also in a role where he's playing huge minutes on a bad team. Pettersson I think is the safer bet to just fit in and earn Tocchet's/Foote's trust.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

That Tomasino trade doesn't bode well for Hoglander having any value.

Ehh, yes and no.

Tomasino hasn't played a full season in nearly three years and his resume isn't exactly stellar. Hoglander had more goals last season than Tomasino has scored in his entire career.

So while I do think some around here are overvaluing Hoglander's value, it's still way above Tomasino getting a 7th. The likelihood is him being included in a package with a pick for say, Pettersson.

 

[Hodgy]

A reddit poster is claiming Jircek has been traded to the Canucks for a first and a prospect. I don't really know what the rules are with rumours, and I am not vouching for the credibility of this reddit poster, but the poster has been posting on reddit for 5 years or so.

 

[MS]

Ehh, yes and no.

Tomasino hasn't played a full season in nearly three years and his resume isn't exactly stellar. Hoglander had more goals last season than Tomasino has scored in his entire career.

So while I do think some around here are overvaluing Hoglander's value, it's still way above Tomasino getting a 7th. The likelihood is him being included in a package with a pick for say, Pettersson.

Tomasino is from the same draft, same age. Has hovered around 35-40 point pace when he's played. Doesn't have a 24-goal season under his resume but honestly the first half of last season is the only point in the last 4 years where Hoglander has been significantly better than Tomasino.

But the biggest thing is that Tomasino doesn't have a $9 million commitment as a guy playing like a fringe NHLer right now, and he was still basically worthless.

 

[LemonSauceD]

A reddit poster is claiming Jircek has been traded to the Canucks for a first and a prospect. I don't really know what the rules are with rumours, and I am not vouching for the credibility of this reddit poster, but the poster has been posting on reddit for 5 years or so.

I saw someone leak the Sprong trade like 2 hours before it happened so who knows lmao.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

A reddit poster is claiming Jircek has been traded to the Canucks for a first and a prospect. I don't really know what the rules are with rumours, and I am not vouching for the credibility of this reddit poster, but the poster has been posting on reddit for 5 years or so.

Lmao

 

[Peter Griffin]

Every deal is price dependent but we have no idea what Waddell will want or accept.

But the notion we shouldn't try to add Jiricek because it doesn't help win the presidents trophy this season is ridiculous.

If it costs Willander/Lekk then it makes no sense and we're out, fine, but that's largely fan assumption, real life deals happen all the time fans Do not and can not predict.

The point being we should absolutely be trying to add Jiricek, regardless of his presumed time-line to contribution.
Let's not pretend lekk&Will are our only assets, possibly most valuable prospects, but not the only assets.

(Same for every trade target, all our top swedish prospects are probably not going anywhere, save for another Guentzel tier addition)

Curious what you think Vancouver could legitimately offer and actually acquire Jiricek if Lekk and Willander are off the table? A late 1st and Hoglander isn’t likely to get Columbus interested.

 

[MS]

Every deal is price dependent but we have no idea what Waddell will want or accept.

But the notion we shouldn't try to add Jiricek because it doesn't help win the presidents trophy this season is ridiculous.

If it costs Willander/Lekk then it makes no sense and we're out, fine, but that's largely fan assumption, real life deals happen all the time fans Do not and can not predict.

The point being we should absolutely be trying to add Jiricek, regardless of his presumed time-line to contribution.
Let's not pretend lekk&Will are our only assets, possibly most valuable prospects, but not the only assets.

(Same for every trade target, all our top swedish prospects are probably not going anywhere, save for another Guentzel tier addition)

I think the general assumption is that Lekkerimaki or our 1st would have to be included to make the deal a go.

Obviously we should be kicking tires to see if Columbus is going to make a bad deal, as we should be on any player, but spending our major trade chips on a project/prospect instead of to fix obvious problems with the roster would be a questionable decision.

 

[arttk]

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ummm

 

[Hodgy]

I think the general assumption is that Lekkerimaki or our 1st would have to be included to make the deal a go.

Obviously we should be kicking tires to see if Columbus is going to make a bad deal, as we should be on any player, but spending our major trade chips on a project/prospect instead of to fix obvious problems with the roster would be a questionable decision.

I think there is an offchance that the Canucks could get Jiricek for a first, Mynio and Hoglander or something. Obviously that would require Columbus to be really high on Mynio which wouldn't be entirely unwarranted.

 

[Peen]

I feel like other are arguing a stupid pointless point, we can't because it's definitely going to cost willy, and or we can't because he's not nhl ready rn..

"Secondary assets" & "realistic perspective" are just buzz words you made up that mean nothing.

Ppl have no idea what assets Waddell wants or will accept. So assuming it's our two top prospects is obvious, but it might not be.
And we should know the chef isn't going to move them for a lateral trade so basing the argument on that premise seems illogical.

Again, if we can add Jiricek without them then we should regardless of his "timeline" that's my point.

We could see cbj trade him for anything, we don't know what that's going to be.
If we have the assets great, if not that's fine too, but we shouldn't be uninterested because he doesn't help this team immediately ..

Disagree /s

 

[MS]

I think there is an offchance that the Canucks could get Jiricek for a first, Mynio and Hoglander or something. Obviously that would require Columbus to be really high on Mynio which wouldn't be entirely unwarranted.

That would still be blowing our wad on a guy who would essentially replace Desharnais' minutes on the 3rd pairing.

I'd like the value in a vacuum but it would leave us up the creek in terms of making more changes this year. That 1st is our most obvious trade chip.

 

[Hodgy]

That would still be blowing our wad on a guy who would essentially replace Desharnais' minutes on the 3rd pairing.

I'd like the value in a vacuum but it would leave us up the creek in terms of making more changes this year. That 1st is our most obvious trade chip.

Ya, they need to nail the scouting evaluation...but that's going to be true on whoever they trade their first round pick for. They just don't have the draft capital to whiff. But Jiricek would also be cost controlled which will be very helpful in navigating the OEL cap hits to come. And if he can play bottom pairing this year, and continue to improve, then I think that's fine.

I'm also fine trying to acquire a mid-20s defensemen with term and that's maybe more desirable, but let's be frank, there aren't going to be a ton of options available to the Canucks to improve their defense, and we can't be looking for the "perfect" player as that situation may never come along.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

That Tomasino trade doesn't bode well for Hoglander having any value.

Ehh, yes and no.

Tomasino hasn't played a full season in nearly three years and his resume isn't exactly stellar. Hoglander had more goals last season than Tomasino has scored in his entire career.

So while I do think some around here are overvaluing Hoglander's value, it's still way above Tomasino getting a 7th. The likelihood is him being included in a package with a pick for say, Pettersson.

Hoglander is the better and more proven player, but his extension does probably not make him an attractive reclamation project.