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[credulous]

heinen is fine but good teams can't afford too much fine. if the bottom six wingers are heinen, joshua (sub hoglander if you like), sherwood, suter (or aman) and sprong then heinen is near the top in salary and near the bottom in performance and utility. he's a luxury they couldn't really afford given the dire situation on defense

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Yea I'm not a fan of the Myers contract either, let me be clear on that. The amount of cap space saved from Heinen + Myers + Sprong is more than enough to extend Zadorov, which is what I would've preferred.

Replacing Zadorov with Myers doesn't magically fix the defence. Out of the 3 Myers, Zadorov, and Soucy the only one that has consistently played top 4 minutes is Myers. I think the misstep was thinking that Soucy could handle top 4 minutes.

 

[VanJack]

Allvin has a reputation of pulling off the near impossible and striking early in the trade market. But even he isn't the Houdini of NHL GM's.

Canucks Army has a list of six d-men who might be available to the Canucks. Obviously the list is headlined by Rasmus Andersson in Calgary, who still has a year left on his deal. As for the rest, definitely underwhelming.

And the costs will be ridiculously expensive. Simply too many teams chasing down blueline help, with a limited supply and few teams willing to part with defensemen generally.

With all the draft picks the Canuck have flushed in recent seasons for immediate help, it's a worrying sign. Unless they're absolutely convinced that this year's team has a chance to go all the way, it might be a TDL to just nibble around the edges of their roster and just a little depth.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

If we win tonight we're on pace for 106 points after the first 10 games despite nearly everything going wrong so far. It's been a weird start to the season with a lot of weird emotions.

All of those loser points do make a big difference by the end of the season. The gap is like 5 points to 15-20 for some teams

Allvin has a reputation of pulling off the near impossible and striking early in the trade market. But even he isn't the Houdini of NHL GM's.

Canucks Army has a list of six d-men who might be available to the Canucks. Obviously the list is headlined by Rasmus Andersson in Calgary, who still has a year left on his deal. As for the rest, definitely underwhelming.

And the costs will be ridiculously expensive. Simply too many teams chasing down blueline help, with a limited supply and few teams willing to part with defensemen generally.

With all the draft picks the Canuck have flushed in recent seasons for immediate help, it's a worrying sign. Unless they're absolutely convinced that this year's team has a chance to go all the way, it might be a TDL to just nibble around the edges of their roster and just a little depth.

Andersson will cost something ridiculous like Willander, Hoglander and a 1st. Not worth it IMO, especially since we would potentially gifting them a pairing for the next 10-15 seasons if Brzuskewicz pans out.

I think just about every seller will be asking for Willander, and he should be an absolute non-starter. We need his cheap ELC years to overlap with the bad OEL years. Would much rather move Lekkerimaki.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

heinen is fine but good teams can't afford too much fine. if the bottom six wingers are heinen, joshua (sub hoglander if you like), sherwood, suter (or aman) and sprong then heinen is near the top in salary and near the bottom in performance and utility. he's a luxury they couldn't really afford given the dire situation on defense

This is my issue with Heinen. He's fine but doesn't really move the needle. Once Joshua's back, you're either moving him down to the fourth line or Hoglander. Which likely means Bains comes out when he'd be fine on the fourth line for a much cheaper cap hit.

It's only 2M, so Heinen isn't holding us back or anything but we really need to spend every extra dollar we have on defense. It really seems like Allvin underestimated just how bad that was going to be.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Heinen and DeBrusk were simply not needed. They should have spent that money on the back end.

 

[VanillaCoke]

It's been three weeks chill on the Heinen & Debrusk shade y'all gonna age like hot garbage water

 

[kanucks25]

3rd year on Myers is definitely tough. I can imagine what happened though:

Myers had offers from other teams with a total value of $10-12 million. He was willing to take less to stay but either the AAV would be too high on a 2-year or they had to give him that extra year. They looked around at possible replacements and decided there was nobody that could offer them what Myers provided last season that was going to come at a palatable price. They didn't foresee Myers immediately taking a step back like he has, and really didn't expect Soucy to be awful like he has.

Now they're in a situation where their entire planned bottom-4 of Myers, Soucy, Forbort and Desharnais are performing at level somewhere between unplayable and poor. I'm willing to give all 4 guys and the coaching staff a lot more time to figure things out. The entire team including the forwards look out of sync defensively, whereas last season team defense was a major strength. You can somewhat hide the deficiencies of "trees" if there is good structure around them. But if we've turned the calendar and things haven't improved much, I wouldn't blame anyone for saying that the whole situation was a Benning-level failure by management.

And even if they do settle down, it's hard to argue that it still wasn't a miscalculation given the goal of the team this year was to be more dynamic on the rush offensively which means they would also have to be more dynamic defending the rush and all of that is very tough to do with a defense that lacks mobility and puck-moving ability. I think it's obvious we need one less tree and one more Hughes/Brannstrom type that can legitimately play in the top-4.

 

[Big zZz]

If Dobson was actually available, which I doubt, then I'd tell the Islanders they can have our first in 2025 and whatever two players they want that are currently not in the NHL. They'd probably be looking for a roster player though.

I'd drive lekk to the airport.

 

[rypper]

On Halford and Brough they posed the question, if you could pick any former canuck who is still playing, who would you pick?

The answer they both landed on seems like the winner but I won't post it to see what anyone else comes up with. (Unless someone just names them straight away.)

 

[pitseleh]

On Halford and Brough they posed the question, if you could pick any former canuck who is still playing, who would you pick?

The answer they both landed on seems like the winner but I won't post it to see what anyone else comes up with. (Unless someone just names them straight away.)

Has to be Forsling? He’s exactly what this team needs right now, and Hughes/Hronek, Forsling/Willander could be the best defence in the league for the next half dozen years.

 

[kanucks25]

On Halford and Brough they posed the question, if you could pick any former canuck who is still playing, who would you pick?

The answer they both landed on seems like the winner but I won't post it to see what anyone else comes up with. (Unless someone just names them straight away.)

1. Forsling
2. Tanev
3. Horvat

I don't even think there are any other legitimate candidates.

 

[sting101]

It's gotta be OEL.

Were gonna pay him 12 million to play against us over the next 3 yrs

Seriously.......... it's Forsling easy. He's a top10 LD. Crazy he was waived and tossed away twice for next to nothing

 

[MS]

On Halford and Brough they posed the question, if you could pick any former canuck who is still playing, who would you pick?

The answer they both landed on seems like the winner but I won't post it to see what anyone else comes up with. (Unless someone just names them straight away.)

1. Forsling
2. Tanev
3. Horvat

I don't even think there are any other legitimate candidates.

It's Forsling by a mile unless the requirement is that the player actually dressed in NHL games for a Canuck, in which case Jared McCann would also be in the mix.

 

[kanucks25]

It's Forsling by a mile unless the requirement is that the player actually dressed in NHL games for a Canuck, in which case Jared McCann would also be in the mix.

Right, forgot about McCann and he's definitely a good candidate and arguably ranks 2nd after Forsling (definitely ranks 2nd if we're talking long-term and not for just this season).

 

[rypper]

Has to be Forsling? He’s exactly what this team needs right now, and Hughes/Hronek, Forsling/Willander could be the best defence in the league for the next half dozen years.

1. Forsling
2. Tanev
3. Horvat

I don't even think there are any other legitimate candidates.

It's Forsling by a mile unless the requirement is that the player actually dressed in NHL games for a Canuck, in which case Jared McCann would also be in the mix.

Yeah that's exactly who it was. They started talking about Tanev, and then a listener said Forsling and that was the agreed upon right answer. McCann was mentioned as the best forward option.

 

[David71]

this could be the month alvin pulls the trigger.

 

[credulous]

mccann and horvat are both better than forsling imo. forsling is the right pick right now because of the situation on defense but in a vacuum either of the forwards are more valuable

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

mccann and horvat are both better than forsling imo. forsling is the right pick right now because of the situation on defense but in a vacuum either of the forwards are more valuable

Huh did you watch the playoffs.

 

[Jerry the great]

There are few players in the league that play more important minutes than Forsling and he produces high calorie points in the process. Winning head to heads against the oppositions top guys and doing it on an incredibly team friendly contract. it's not even remotely close.

 

[MS]

mccann and horvat are both better than forsling imo. forsling is the right pick right now because of the situation on defense but in a vacuum either of the forwards are more valuable

Forsling is the 1D on the Stanley Cup champs and a top-10 D in the NHL.

 

[strattonius]

mccann and horvat are both better than forsling imo. forsling is the right pick right now because of the situation on defense but in a vacuum either of the forwards are more valuable

Lol okay

 

[VanJack]

I don't know if Forsling really qualifies as an 'ex-Canuck', because he never played one NHL game for them.

He was dealt by Benning to Chicago in an ill-fated deal for Adam Clendening......and at the time Forsling was still playing in the Swedish Hockey League.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Forsling is the 1D on the Stanley Cup champs and a top-10 D in the NHL.

This is just crazy to think about considering he was our damn 5th round draft pick.

 

[Vector]

Joshua:
-won't play Saturday but thinks either Tuesday or Thursday is very likely
-brings a presence; is a worker
-dependability and reliability are two of the biggest abilities you can have in the NHL
-will help but won't cure some of the issues with the team

Defence Market:
-doesn't think Liljegren got positive value; calls it neutral
-with Jani Hakanpaa coming back, the Maple Leafs had to make a move
-San Jose was the one team interested; have cursory conversations with other teams but no offers
-the trade is an indication of where the rest of the league saw Liljegren
-market will be incredibly thin
-Sharks saw Liljegren's extra year as a positive

Canucks Activity:
-thinks the Canucks will trade for a defencemen in the foreseeable future
-Allvin has been making calls; is the leagues most aggressive GM
-always looking to make the team better
-current focus is to ice a healthy team first

Pettersson:
-there is a level of concern but can't pinpoint what it is
-the acceptable excuses are out the window now
-not about finding better linemates or knee but is about him making 11.6m that can't be a passenger and needs to be a driver
-has had a crisis of confidence
-makes the routine play look difficult
-appears disengaged
-throws away pucks, doesn't engage in battles, and is too soft around the net
-doesn't know what happened
-no doubt that the Canucks would be concerned
-team was flabbergasted after Pettersson talked about his injury; doesn't explain what they saw and not a valid excuse
-"do people think the Canucks would have put their prized 90 million dollar player in harms way?"
-disengaged does not mean he doesn't care but it's almost like Pettersson cares too much about what his game looks like, people say about him, and what coverage appears like
-past the point of no return
-didn't see any of this in the first part of his career and doesn't understand why this would pop up now

His View on the Canucks:
-doesn't view them as a Stanley Cup contender
-keeps a really small circle of 5 teams that are contenders
-this Canucks team is not as good as last season; playoffs or before the trades
-the team has upside and promise
-competitive and a 100 point team; firm playoff team
-have work to do to get into the next tier of teams
-at least one top-4 defencemen away and a healthy Demko away from joining the next tier
-have to move the puck faster
-Desharnais has serious limitations
-need to be more consistent

Biggest Surprise:
-Bruins have been so bad and struggled to score
-didn't expect the Wild or Kings to be this good
-Oilers playing better without McDavid
-hard to get hyped up about anything in the first month of the season
-so many veterans in the NHL don't start playing hard until November

His Inner Circle:
-Golden Knights, Oilers, Rangers, Jets, and Stars
-no teams from the Atlantic
-Panthers have been mercurial this season
-not a believer of in Panthers defence after Montour and OEL left