BenningHurtsMySoul
Unfair Huggy Bear
I can't believe this team thought hiring Rachel f***ing Doherty was a good idea, if she's indeed the one leaking info to EF.
I can't believe this team thought hiring Rachel f***ing Doherty was a good idea, if she's indeed the one leaking info to EF.
So management sent the team leaders "Miller and Hughes" out to help Pettersson get thicker skin and find his highest level of play. With what we are learning about Pettersson, how mentally fragile he is, does anyone else think this plan could backfire and push Petey out?
This could go either way, but what we are learning about Pettersson the person, I think this could potentially backfire and make Petey want to leave the club and be traded to a team where he wouldn't be so much under the microscope.
Elliotte’s thoughts on Pettersson are basically exactly what MS and others were saying in the since locked Pettersson thread.
No shit.
We’ve seen this player just totally shut down and stop competing 3 different times in his career and it’s been very obvious that it’s a mental thing and not minor injuries but people just don’t want to hear it.
He’s basically a more talented PL Dubois. Hopefully between the player/team they can figure it out.
I love the compliment given (like a tap on the head).Very good. Here's mine.
Pettersson:
-last year the Canucks wanted a commit from Pettersson or the team was moving on
-there were those within the organization that were ready to trade him
-Canucks felt there was a level or two he needs to get two
-as great as he is, he needs to be tougher; some people are not wired that way but the Canucks feel he is
-don't want Rutherford, Allvin, or Tocchet to be the ones that push him in that direction; have told Miller and Hughes to get Pettersson to that level
-*laughs* Miller is taking this literally
-have been talks off the ice with Pettersson
-Hughes has been involved
-can't go too far with this
-Canucks feel it might be better if it comes from teammates rather than the coach or GM
-"Elias needs to get to another level. You all see it and we want you guys to get him there"
-teammates see it, understand it, and want to get Pettersson there
-the message comes harder, Miller, than some other guys, Hughes
-to be successful we have to be prepared to accept honest & tough criticism and that's what the Canucks are trying to do
-doesn't think Pettersson always likes the criticism
-doesn't know how serious it is but doesn't think he's completely healthy
-a lot of players prefer when criticism comes from the chain of command rather than teammates because they are supposed to have your back
-however, when your teammates are telling you that you aren't doing your best job, it has a greater impact
-someone called Friedman and told him that he's not going far enough on the Pettersson social media aspect
-Pettersson's friends are sending and telling him stuff
-a few years ago was doing the NHLPA media tour, a coach was able to text in the correct guess of which player, and the player said "I know what you guys say about me" and Friedman was confused; player had a really skewed view and said that his family relays the info to him; Friedman gave the player his number and told the player if he ever had a problem to reach out to Friedman; then gave him some advice that the next time a family member or friend says "this is what a person said about you on television" telling that person that if they do it one more time, warn them they will be cut off from communication; next time he say the player, the player really appreciated what Friedman said because after getting that out of his life, he's not obsessing or brooding about
-if you're a friend of Pettersson and you're sending him clips or transcripts, you're not being a good friend; stop it
-if Rick Dhaliwal says anything, no one understands him because he talks to fast
-Canucks believe if Pettersson can get a little bit of a thicker skin, he will be unstoppable
-Pettersson needs to rediscover the fun he was having in his rookie year
-thinks there is still a great player there and the Canucks have to get that back out of him
Damn if only the Canucks had some former high profile and highly scrutinized Swedish players that they could tap on the shoulder to talk with Pettersson
How so? The whole Friedman speculation is that what they are doing now is to get him to another level or two and it's not just to get him back to who he was before. Friedman also mentioned that Petey is still not 100%.
I think it's obvious his confidence is down in the gutters. Confidence down in the gutters affecting performance is a different thing that PLD who historically just didn't give a f*** and his up and down has nothing to do with confidence.
I definitely wouldn't call him PLD. At no point did PLD even look like he wanted to play hockey, even when he got what he wanted. That said, Pettersson's struggles definitely seem to be far more mental than physical. Often the mental exasperates the physical.
No they aren't the same.
Elliote Freidman just said he believes there is an ongoing physical issue.
Elliote has not made comments about not competing or anything like that.
Wanting a player to be tougher to play through things is not the same as claiming he stops trying or comparing him to Dubois.
MS gets pushback because he sensationalizes his views from a place of hurt and drowns out dissenting opinions with volume.
Yeah, I think if Tocchet thought that EP was injured he would have given it a similar response to the Miller injury "he's dealing with some stuff".Again, Tocchet literally just called him out for not moving his feet and rubbished the injury stuff.
This is deep-seeded stuff that the franchise is obviously very concerned about, as they should be.
And where is Willander, minors? Are you running Hronek/Pulock/Willander/Myers for the next 2+ seasons?Desharnais would probably be an offsetting salary going back for Pulock. Myers is on the 3rd pairing.
Depends on who the left side defender is that would be acquired. With the right player in that spot, and Soucy anchoring the 3rd pairing, I think it’s possible. Also depends on how ready management feels Willander is able to handle NHL minutes.In your scenario, who is the Canucks #2 right-side D? Myers? And you expect to contend for a Cup with that?
Again, Tocchet literally just called him out for not moving his feet and rubbished the injury stuff.
This is deep-seeded stuff that the franchise is obviously very concerned about, as they should be.
That is actually a CBA thing—players cannot have NMC/NTCs until they reach the season of their UFA eligibility requirements.I'm about 75-80% sure (up from 50% in the offseason) that they are going to find a trade that works and move him. There is a reason they aren't activating the NMC until next season - they wanted more time to see how he responded.
That is actually a CBA thing—players cannot have NMC/NTCs until they reach the season of their UFA eligibility requirements.
It’s the same scenario where Montreal traded PK Subban after he signed his extension but before his NMC could begin.
I’m going to speculate that the desire for a trade has never left.Pettersson was also laying the groundwork to get traded from here in exactly the same fashion as PLD/Tkachuk before the team got good.
I’m going to speculate that the desire for a trade has never left.
But, his agent and him probably had a come-to-Jesus moment that his play had slipped (or been inconsistent enough) to such a degree that it was about to affect his chance of a mega-extension.
They decided to get the bag now and know that they could still seek their trade after. They bargained the payday for ultimate choice of destination that Tkachuk had.
And the Canucks probably weren’t stupid to it either—they probably know that trading a signed Pettersson is probably going to generate a better return than a pending-UFA Pettersson that could Tkachuk his destination.
Yea comparing EP to PLD is a bit extreme. I think Pettersson’s issues are lack of confidence and dealing with and being able to elevate your game in times of adversity. Friedman spent about 5 seconds from what I can remember from that interview talking about his injury.I definitely wouldn't call him PLD. At no point did PLD even look like he wanted to play hockey, even when he got what he wanted. That said, Pettersson's struggles definitely seem to be far more mental than physical. Often the mental exasperates the physical.
That's why you're the king.Very good. Here's mine.
Pettersson:
-last year the Canucks wanted a commit from Pettersson or the team was moving on
-there were those within the organization that were ready to trade him
-Canucks felt there was a level or two he needs to get two
-as great as he is, he needs to be tougher; some people are not wired that way but the Canucks feel he is
-don't want Rutherford, Allvin, or Tocchet to be the ones that push him in that direction; have told Miller and Hughes to get Pettersson to that level
-*laughs* Miller is taking this literally
-have been talks off the ice with Pettersson
-Hughes has been involved
-can't go too far with this
-Canucks feel it might be better if it comes from teammates rather than the coach or GM
-"Elias needs to get to another level. You all see it and we want you guys to get him there"
-teammates see it, understand it, and want to get Pettersson there
-the message comes harder, Miller, than some other guys, Hughes
-to be successful we have to be prepared to accept honest & tough criticism and that's what the Canucks are trying to do
-doesn't think Pettersson always likes the criticism
-doesn't know how serious it is but doesn't think he's completely healthy
-a lot of players prefer when criticism comes from the chain of command rather than teammates because they are supposed to have your back
-however, when your teammates are telling you that you aren't doing your best job, it has a greater impact
-someone called Friedman and told him that he's not going far enough on the Pettersson social media aspect
-Pettersson's friends are sending and telling him stuff
-a few years ago was doing the NHLPA media tour, a coach was able to text in the correct guess of which player, and the player said "I know what you guys say about me" and Friedman was confused; player had a really skewed view and said that his family relays the info to him; Friedman gave the player his number and told the player if he ever had a problem to reach out to Friedman; then gave him some advice that the next time a family member or friend says "this is what a person said about you on television" telling that person that if they do it one more time, warn them they will be cut off from communication; next time he say the player, the player really appreciated what Friedman said because after getting that out of his life, he's not obsessing or brooding about
-if you're a friend of Pettersson and you're sending him clips or transcripts, you're not being a good friend; stop it
-if Rick Dhaliwal says anything, no one understands him because he talks to fast
-Canucks believe if Pettersson can get a little bit of a thicker skin, he will be unstoppable
-Pettersson needs to rediscover the fun he was having in his rookie year
-thinks there is still a great player there and the Canucks have to get that back out of him